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#61 IRHari

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 01:59 AM

h/t Glenn Greenwald for this idea:

http://www.theatlant...-resume/35666/#

Obama will do ____________, despite President Obama's campaign promise to __________. ...the president has done little to change the policy instated by President Bush. The announcement was expected, but many on the left are still outraged by it.


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#62 Feeding the Abscess

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 03:15 AM

I was kind of being cynical in 07/08 when I was saying Obama was going to be worse than Bush in civil liberties/foreign policy.

It's one of those things where you wish you weren't right.

#63 IRHari

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Posted 16 April 2011 - 01:01 AM

So one of Harry Reid's big promises to voters was to stop storing nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain.

New head of the NRC shut down NRC's review of the plan to store nuclear waste there.

Guess who the head of the NRC used to work for?
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#64 M-PG71C

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Posted 16 April 2011 - 01:25 AM

Neurosurgeons are the high end of the salary spectrum and comprise a very small proportion of physicians. The problem is not that there will be fewer physicians, but that the supply of physicians will become heavily skewed towards specialties and away from primary care as the financial aspect becomes a bigger factor in how med school grads decide on their careers. When confronted with a $200,000+ educational debt, with reduced compensation in primary care (physician salaries, when adjusted for inflation have gradually declined over the last 20 years), they are going to opt for the higher paying specialities as a matter of necessity. Not a good a trend when the whole point of health care reform is to provide more access to care. Waiting times for primary care docs is becoming major issue. In my opinion, within the next 15-20 years, the concept of a primary care physician will cease to exist. Instead, primary care will be handled by mid-level providers like physician assistants and nurse practitioners. Sure they can handle the basic stuff but they lack the training and experience to discern whether your symptoms are benign or indicative of something more serious.


It's to my understanding that NP programs will be extending to a PhD level in a few years, with universities already going towards that route, eliminating the masters level altogether. The idea behind it is just that though, to make it the premier mid-level practioner that can take care of primary care clinical work that would be to an equal consensus of a Physcian's diagnosis/prognosis.

PA's will remain the same but there's a real possibility of their role being "second string" to a NP despite the clinical education differences. I guess we'll see soon enough eh? :D

It'll be interesting to see how the healthcare industry will evolve from this, that's certain. Healthcare is in a serious need for...well, shit, everybody. I just got out of college and as a licensed nursing home administrator, I bring in a little over $67K. Paying off my $9000 in student loans is going to be pretty easy, well, hopefully.

The type of degree matters more than the level honestly. A Bachelors in Nursing, Public Health, Business Admin, etc are going to earn a solid salary. If you get a bachelors in virtually any of the liberal arts, its going to be harder to get a job. This is applicable to higher level education too.

Not to say liberal arts is bad, far from it honestly. I'm a double major with Public Health and Political Science, the two really helped me get a serious grasp on how healthcare and government work together. I would recommend anyone who wants to go for a liberal arts major to pair it with something tangible. It goes a long way.

And yes, despite popular belief, I graduated on time. If you matriculate properly, you end up just fine.
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#65 IRHari

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 12:49 PM

Obama pulls a Nixon:

http://www.politico....0411/53601.html

“I have to abide by certain classified information,” Obama said on a video that quickly began to circulate among media outlets Friday. “If I was to release stuff, information that I’m not authorized to release, I’m breaking the law. … We’re a nation of laws. We don’t individually make our own decisions about how the laws operate. … He broke the law.”


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#66 UncleBob

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 03:20 PM

I wonder if this might work out in Manning's favor, actually. Could make a claim that it's going to be hard to find an impartial jury. :D
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#67 IRHari

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 05:58 PM

Well especially since he's going to get a military trial and the CiC already said he's guilty.
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#68 IRHari

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 02:51 AM

http://worldnews.nbc...release-in-2009

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#69 dohdough

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 03:14 AM

Welp, here's to hoping he'll close it in his second ter.....just playin' :rofl:

Seriously though, if they're going to detain and torture people on a daily basis, even if they weren't terrorists beforehand, that's a good way to turn them into one. It's like they're creating the problem they're trying to "solve."

#70 IRHari

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:57 PM

http://www.democracy..._ndaa_ruling_in

Obama's appealing the NDAA ruling, even though he threatened to veto it because he really really didn't like the indefinite detention provisions in it.

Surprise!
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#71 mykevermin

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 11:26 PM

ugh.
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#72 ID2006

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 08:59 PM

I'm just going to post this here because it's pretty interesting.

The broken promises list is kind of depressing, though. It really irritates me that he gave in to the antitrust exemption for insurance companies just to pass Obamacare without reprisal from them.

http://www.politifac...mises/obameter/

#73 UncleBob

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:46 PM

You can't make headlines like this up:

"Office Working to Close Guantánamo Is Shuttered"
http://www.nytimes.c...rison.html?_r=0
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#74 mrsilkunderwear

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:36 AM

The relief we send doesn’t say “Made in America,” but make no mistake—our aid reflects the commitment of the American people.

I did not commit to anything.

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#75 Spokker

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:23 AM

I think as long as the president is on Twitter and doing cute things and has the support of Hollywood, the general public will overlook those many instances where he is basically Bush III.

#76 mykevermin

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:53 AM

I think as long as the president is on Twitter and doing cute things and has the support of Hollywood, the general public will overlook those many instances where he is basically Bush III.


Republicans are the party of the plutocracy.
Democrats are the party of the wealthy interests.

Slight distinction. I agree with your point - both parties are in the bag for financial interests. The transition from Bush to Obama, and the rampant confusion about who was responsible for what spending - TARP, bailouts, GM, among others - is excellent evidence of that.

There are precious few politicians/parties that represent the interests of the working class. Dennis Kucinich was gerrymandered out, and Bernie Sanders is smart enough to not be a Democrat because, frankly, by standing up for workers' rights, he's no longer a Democrat.
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#77 ID2006

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:58 PM

http://www.propublic...a-brief-history

(snippet)...In 2012, the Obama campaign specifically called out social welfare, or 501©(4), groups that spent hundreds of millions of dollars of anonymous money on political ads.


That’s why campaign finance reformers are so angry: Organizing for Action is a 501©(4) that will advocate for the president’s second-term agenda...



Make up your mind, Obama. Pragmatism or principles?

#78 mykevermin

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:15 AM

That's why I like being a liberal - we'll call out other liberals on their shit. When confronted with the disgusting reality of what the people in their party do, Republicans will instantly jump to the "both sides do it" trope.
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#79 ID2006

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:28 AM

I wouldn't go that far. The number of liberals who actually care is relatively small — unless you have some stringent definition of who makes a liberal that I'm not seeing here.

#80 mykevermin

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:34 AM

the kind of person who doesn't take offense to being called a "socialist," I suppose. there is a distinction to make, to be sure.
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#81 ID2006

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:58 AM

Unless you don't consider yourself a socialist, but you know the accuser doesn't understand the meaning of the word, anyway. So instead of offended, you're just mildly amused at their own bemusement. :)

Not sure if you were being serious, but your remark still sounds a bit off.

Nonetheless, I do think you'll find more people willing to point out (if not stand up against) the flaws on their own 'side' as liberals in general, than you will with conservatives in general. But to steal your phrase, "both sides do it"*

*Though one to a lesser extent

#82 ID2006

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 12:41 AM

http://www.politico....one-156084.html

11 Senators (eight-D, three-R) call Obama out on drone strikes.

A bipartisan group of 11 senators is appealing directly to President Barack Obama to give lawmakers his administration's legal justification for using armed drones or other counterterrorism operations to kill American citizens.
The eight Democrats and three Republicans are also making a not-so-veiled threat that the nominations of officials like CIA director-designate John Brennan and perhaps even Defense Secretary-designate Chuck Hagel could be held up if Obama doesn't fork over the classified memos...

...Wyden signaled a few weeks ago, in another letter, that he intends to make the legal issues surrounding the use of lethal force against Americans a central issue at Brennan's confirmation hearing. That hearing is now set for Thursday afternoon.



#83 ID2006

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:39 AM

Confidential, 'unofficial' Justice Department memo details somewhat more specifically the prerequisites for a drone strike.

http://openchannel.n...es-on-americans

As in Holder’s speech, the confidential memo lays out a three-part test that would make targeted killings of American lawful: In addition to the suspect being an imminent threat, capture of the target must be “infeasible, and the strike must be conducted according to “law of war principles.” But the memo elaborates on some of these factors in ways that go beyond what the attorney general said publicly. For example, it states that U.S. officials may consider whether an attempted capture of a suspect would pose an “undue risk” to U.S. personnel involved in such an operation. If so, U.S. officials could determine that the capture operation of the targeted American would not be feasible, making it lawful for the U.S. government to order a killing instead, the memo concludes.



#84 irideabike

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 02:38 PM

You're just hating on drones because you don't understand them. Are you racist?

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#85 mykevermin

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:13 PM

It's absolutely sickening.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 09:05 PM

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#87 IRHari

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:57 PM

Now that everyone is forced to talk about this, we'll see who has principles and who is a reflexive Obama defender.
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#88 mykevermin

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:54 AM

Now that everyone is forced to talk about this, we'll see who has principles and who is a reflexive Obama defender.


We'll see on the left, sure.

On the right, we'll see hand wringing and deep enjoyment of holding a man to a standard of accountability that they never afforded the prior President while he was in office. In 2013, it's easy to say that Bush overstepped legal boundaries, that the PATRIOT Act stripped us of constitutional protections, military tribunals were antithetical to American ideals of justice, Guantanamo Bay should be closed, etc.

But if you're smiling because people are holding Obama to task in 2013 for this, ask yourself where you were, what you were doing, and who you voted for in 2000, 2004, and 2008.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:12 AM

We'll see on the left, sure.

On the right, we'll see hand wringing and deep enjoyment of holding a man to a standard of accountability that they never afforded the prior President while he was in office. In 2013, it's easy to say that Bush overstepped legal boundaries, that the PATRIOT Act stripped us of constitutional protections, military tribunals were antithetical to American ideals of justice, Guantanamo Bay should be closed, etc.

But if you're smiling because people are holding Obama to task in 2013 for this, ask yourself where you were, what you were doing, and who you voted for in 2000, 2004, and 2008.

Exactly. Hell, people were using 24 as evidence that torture was necessary.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:58 AM

We'll see on the left, sure.

On the right, we'll see hand wringing and deep enjoyment of holding a man to a standard of accountability that they never afforded the prior President while he was in office. In 2013, it's easy to say that Bush overstepped legal boundaries, that the PATRIOT Act stripped us of constitutional protections, military tribunals were antithetical to American ideals of justice, Guantanamo Bay should be closed, etc.

But if you're smiling because people are holding Obama to task in 2013 for this, ask yourself where you were, what you were doing, and who you voted for in 2000, 2004, and 2008.


2000 - Too young to vote
2004 - Didn't vote as I didn't like my choices
2008 - Obama :(


"We'll see on the left, sure?"

Lets have a contest. I'll post anti-war pics from Bush's presidency and you post them from Obama's and we'll see who runs out first.