Jump to content



Photo
- - - - -

The Ultimate 'Build-A-PC' Thread. Complete With Pricings & Recommendations (06/06/10)


  • Please log in to reply
3451 replies to this topic

#2821 Hockey37

Hockey37

    Hockey Player/Coach CAG

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:04 PM

What's the consensus on this build?

My goal is to have something somewhat future proof, something that might last me 5+ years. I wouldn't mind getting the price down slightly, but I also don't want to skimp on a quality build. $1,000 is my top limit.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/r3zg
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker....zg/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker....3zg/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($23.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Intel Extreme Master, Limited Ed 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($40.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($95.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 660 Ti 3GB Video Card ($319.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 922 ATX Mid Tower Case ($85.44 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($83.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Lite-On IHAS324-98 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1070.33
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-05 13:00 EST-0500)
Posted Image

#2822 elessar123

elessar123

    96.5% more WUB WUB

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:34 PM

620W is on the weak side for that build.

Also, I'd go with either a cheaper 660 Ti (2GB) or a 670. The 660 Ti can't do much more with 3 GB of memory.

#2823 JBaz

JBaz

    CAGiversary!

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:31 PM

Hey Jbaz, that 500w corsair PSU you reccomended, will ti work for slight overclocking? my gpu says it needs a 500w psu. will that conflict with any OC i do?

The tdp wattage usage of your graphics card sips power at 130w. As long as the 12v rail(s) have enough amps and its a quality PSU (as the Corsair is), you should have no problems running your 7850 on a 500w PSU. At stock speeds, you system would barely hit 300w on load.

As for overclocking, I wouldn't push it too much. The 965 BE is a 125w cpu so I'd be hesitant in doing anything crazy. Taking the cpu from 3.4 to 4.0 shouldn't be too big of an issue, but the cpu wattage can jump by an addition 100 watts. With your 130w GPU and everything else in the system, you'd still be around 400-430w on load which wouldn't be any issue with a quality 500w PSU.

What's the consensus on this build?

My goal is to have something somewhat future proof, something that might last me 5+ years. I wouldn't mind getting the price down slightly, but I also don't want to skimp on a quality build. $1,000 is my top limit.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/r3zg
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker....zg/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker....3zg/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($23.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Intel Extreme Master, Limited Ed 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($40.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($95.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 660 Ti 3GB Video Card ($319.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 922 ATX Mid Tower Case ($85.44 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($83.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Lite-On IHAS324-98 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1070.33
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-05 13:00 EST-0500)

620W is on the weak side for that build.

Also, I'd go with either a cheaper 660 Ti (2GB) or a 670. The 660 Ti can't do much more with 3 GB of memory.

1. 620 watts from a top tier branded PSU like from SeaSonic is not "weak" for the build listed above, its actually an underrated PSU. 77w cpu + 150w gpu isn't really stressing the system very much. You could easily power the whole system with a simple 400w power supply from a quality brand if you wanted to at stock speeds. Even if OP wants a little head room for overclocks, the 77w cpu would only bloat by 100w from 3.4 to 5.0 Ghz... Provided you have proper cooling. This means even a quality 500w PSU would still be enough for this system with extreme OC on the CPU and a stock GTX 660 ti.

2. I would also agree with the assessment that the 3GB version of the 660 ti doesn't add value to your build. Go cheaper here, save your $50 or better yet, cross over the pond and look at AMD offerings for good mid level gaming cards for better value.


As for the build list, here's what I'd tweak:

PCPartPicker part list

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($23.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($129.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card ($269.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($48.49 @ Newegg, 10% off CorsairDec12, $16 off combo w/ PSU)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($64.99 @ Newegg, $16 off Combo w/ Case)
Optical Drive: Lite-On IHAS324-98 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)

Corsair CX750 PSU & Corsair 300R case: -$16.00 @ newegg

Total: $1011.38
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-05 16:17 EST-0500)


I really didn't change too much, mostly just slight upgrades or downgrades to net you better value overall.

First thing I did was upgrade the 2TB seagate to the 3TB version for only $35 more. Better price per GB and it also helps the fact that its the single fastest mechanical 7200 drive on the market as well as being the most affordable and cheapest 3TB drive on the market. It was on sale for $90 on newegg during BF. Cheap, quality and fast... you can have all three.

Next, I doubled your RAM from 8GB to 16GB using 2x8GB pair for not too much more of your 8GB set. You said you wanted "future proof", since DDR3 ram is this cheap, might as well stock up. Plus its only using your two out of four slots, you still have the ability to stick 16GB more down the road. Just a note, this same 16GB set was on sale for $50 last week and was $40 during BF.

Like I said above, dropping from the 3GB to 2GB 660ti is going to save you $50 here and you won't loose much abilities right now. 3GB buffer only helps if you run at 2560x1600 resolutions and even then, most games right now won't even use 2GB at that resolution. Even if it's not going to "future proof" you better for newer games five years down the road. Hell, within that time, you probably could extend the shelf life of this PC by just upgrading the 660 ti to a more modern $100 video card in 2017...

I'd also take a gander at the AMD HD 7870 2GB ($220), it's slightly slower than the 660ti by about 5% in most games (20% at its most severe), but a better value (price/performance) overall. The 7950 3GB is about $275 that's a direct competitor of the 660ti with it being on par or faster in most games.

On the nvidia side, I would have looked for a sale price of the 500 series cards if you wanted to budget down for the $160 GTX 560 ti 448 1GB or a $190 GTX 570 1.25GB; either of those cards are close to the 7870, but you do only get half the VRAM. Not an issue in most modern games at 1080p with all the eye candy enabled, but it would limit you for the "around the corner" next gen game engines that are designed to have 2-3GB buffers coming out in 2013/14. Although, if you were willing to spend $320 for the 660ti 3GB, I would have jumped another $30 for the 670 2GB for the performance bump of about 15-30% in most games across the board.

I swapped out the CM HAF 922 case for the Combo Deal of the Corsair 300R + Corsair CX 750 builder PSU. The 300R case is the entry level budget gaming case of the Corsair series, but its a nice case that has a simple design with good features and cooling abilities. I wouldn't say its on par with the more expensive 922 case, but its pretty damn close and with the combo discount, rebates and 10% off coupon code, Its a steal for $50.

As for the PSU, I went with the cheaper and more powerful Corsair 750 builder series. I have built PC's with most of the CX lines with no issues and have enjoyed their value and price points over the competition's higher priced units. It's not fancy with modular support or higher 80+ certs, but for a value centric product that's priced just right, you'd be a fool to not grab it. Even at $65 without the combo discount, its's still a better value over the more expensive 620w SeaSonic.
Posted Image

#2824 Trace17

Trace17

    CAGiversary!

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 05 December 2012 - 11:21 PM

Couple more questions:

What are the thoughts here on 660ti vs. 7950 (I think those are roughly comparable, if not you can correct me on that as well)? For right now I'll be running on a single 1080p monitor, and I plan to use an i5-3570k. There is a slight chance I go dual monitors in the future, not nothing planned right now. No matter what card, I'm thinking 2GB vram would be just fine for a few years. Thoughts on this?

Also, any keyboard recommendations? I'm looking for something sub $50-ish but not crap quality either.

#2825 j-cart

j-cart

    PAPER TRAILS on a mountain

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 06 December 2012 - 12:05 AM

Neither card will disappoint. I've been a Nvidia guy, but I recently built a PC for my buddy that had the 7950. I want that card, like right now.

Sapphire 7950 3GB

vs.

660ti 3GB


Keyboards are a tough choice right now. Everyone wants a mechanical keyboard, which means you are gonna have to spend $70 for a decent one.

#2826 Mako1215

Mako1215

    Mr.OneOfWonder

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 06 December 2012 - 12:08 AM

Crisis 3 will be the benchmark for these new cards. CryEngine 3......omfg. I'm about to sell my desktop to my cousin, and build a new one next year when the Intel retail edge does a new holiday deal and I can get a new chip cheap.

First, how can you claim prior non-existance to devalue a movement? I am sure the civil rights movement would love that. "Well, there was no movement to free the slaves before, so why is it relavent now?"

518793.png


#2827 JBaz

JBaz

    CAGiversary!

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 06 December 2012 - 12:53 AM

Couple more questions:

What are the thoughts here on 660ti vs. 7950 (I think those are roughly comparable, if not you can correct me on that as well)? For right now I'll be running on a single 1080p monitor, and I plan to use an i5-3570k. There is a slight chance I go dual monitors in the future, not nothing planned right now. No matter what card, I'm thinking 2GB vram would be just fine for a few years. Thoughts on this?

Also, any keyboard recommendations? I'm looking for something sub $50-ish but not crap quality either.

From my post above. Buried with lots of other info.

I'd also take a gander at the AMD HD 7870 2GB ($220), it's slightly slower than the 660ti by about 5% in most games (20% at its most severe), but a better value (price/performance) overall. The 7950 3GB is about $275 that's a direct competitor of the 660ti with it being on par or faster in most games.

If you aren't married towards nvidia, the 7950 is a great contender over the 660 ti. Personally, I'm more of an nvidia fanboy but I have rocked a number of AMD 5000 and 6000 series gpu's in the past and love their value and price points.

For today's games, I wouldn't even make the price jump to the 7950 honestly and would save the 50-70 bucks and go with the cheaper 7870 2GB if you are playing at 1080p resolutions that's capped at 60fps with most LCD's. This comes from a guy who spent 1k on SLI gpu's last year and ends up routinely donating the spares at lan parties for the less fortunate gamers who still run with G92 chips.



As for keyboards, it really depends on what you are looking for in features, how you type and if you are looking for an actual mechanical board. I'd highly recommend reading the Overclock.net keyboard guide.

I recently went with the Corsair K60 mechanical keyboard this past summer when it went on sale for $52 on newegg. I love it to death. Its uses a pretty beefy and thick one piece aluminium sheet that I swear could be used as a blunt weapon to beat other gamers to death, literally... It's very solid, can take a lot of abuse and its nicely finished with some pretty cool and simple features that most $50+ boards have now (windows key lock, media center controls, volume controls). I particularly went for this board for the Cherry MX Red switches for gaming purposes, but as a typist keyboard, I routinely miss type due the fact that it requires the least amount of force to actuate, has no tactile feel when actuated and no audible feedback that you get with other types of switches.

There are better mechanical keyboards on the market, but at the $50 price point, it was an easy sell considering most mechanical keyboards that are worth a damn start around $100 and up at the time. Even now, the K60 is hovering around $90.


If I had to buy right now for your price range, I'd probably stick towards an entry level mechanical keyboard instead of some junk silicone dome board that floods the market. The Cooler Master Storm QuickFire Rapid for $52 @ newegg would probably work well. The down side is that it's a compact keyboard, so you loose your number pad (plus for gaming, bad for typing). Also, it uses different types of switches, the Cherry MX Blue's, which is more of a typist key switch that adds both a tactile knock feeling and a loud audible click sound when you actuate it; similar to the old IBM keyboards from the 80's.

There is also the Cooler Master Storm QuickFire Pro for $55 @ newegg that adds a lot more value to the mix. It uses Cherry MX Brown switches, which is between the "faster" Red's and the more tactile feeling of the Blue's, to give you a great compromise between gaming and normal typing. It's also not as loud as the Blue's, which is a plus. After playing with other mechanical keyboards after buying mine, I personally enjoy the Browns the best for general typing over the Red's. Also to note, its a full sized keyboard with a number keypad, includes extra function keys, and is partially backlit with a red LED on strategic keys for gaming.

The downside with both keyboards is that the plastic finish doesn't really give you the feeling that you paid $50 for it over some generic free OEM keyboard that you'd get from Dell. That could be an upside though as you know the company spent most of the cost on function and value instead of something that looked pretty, but sucked balls...
Posted Image

#2828 The Crotch

The Crotch

    I was famous and I was powerful.

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 06 December 2012 - 01:37 AM

Aw, you went and got me all excited. I've wanted a not-balls-out-expensive Cherry Brown keyboard for a while, but that one's still $90 in Canada.

Posted Image


#2829 JBaz

JBaz

    CAGiversary!

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 06 December 2012 - 01:48 AM

Yeah, you chaps up there get terrible deals on anything PC related plus shipping is not free. I'd probably wait for a deal and see what NCIX offers for mech keyboard sales for Christmas and New Years.
Posted Image

#2830 j-cart

j-cart

    PAPER TRAILS on a mountain

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 06 December 2012 - 02:00 AM

The Corsair K60 is great except for the fact that not all of the keys are mechanical. The design is freaking beautiful, just wish they would have finished up the job and made the whole thing mechanical.

#2831 JBaz

JBaz

    CAGiversary!

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 06 December 2012 - 02:38 AM

The Corsair K60 is great except for the fact that not all of the keys are mechanical. The design is freaking beautiful, just wish they would have finished up the job and made the whole thing mechanical.

It doesn't bother me that much that the Function keys aren't mechanical since I barely use them when playing video games.

If I paid the larger price for the K90, then I would have expected all the keys to be mechanical, but no way was I willing to jump from $52 to $130 for what is essentially an MMO keypad glued onto the left side and some LED's. It would have been such a better product if they kept the single aluminium piece design or the very least have a product between the K60 and K90 that only adds LED backlight to the K60. That's the one feature I wished I had on this board. I also wish Corsair gave us a choice to have different switches in these chassis.

#2832 chibilaharl

chibilaharl

    CAGiversary!

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:27 AM

@JBaz So if I wanted to OC by 5-10% like you mentioned, would that 500w corsair PSU that you previously reccomended be a good buy? or do you have another reccomendation for slight OC.

#2833 JBaz

JBaz

    CAGiversary!

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 06 December 2012 - 04:15 AM

You shouldn't have an issue with bumping from 3.4 to 3.7 or even to 4.0 on a 500w PSU. If you want something to ease your mind, then you can spend a bit more for greater power overhead to something in the 600-700w range, but I'd say you would be ok.

A good idea would be to pick up a kill-a-watt power meter to see what you are pulling from the wall then guesstimate how much wattage the PSU is actually converting to clean DC wattage with the level of efficiency your PSU can achieve.

The only thing I see right now that's remotely "decent" in terms of value/price is another Corsair CX builder series PSU, the CX600 V2 for $52. While it's a good power supply if you need it now, its average normal day price is around 52-54 bucks shipped, plus it would double the price of the CX500 just for 100 more watts, specially considering the CX750 is on sale for $65. If you wait, you could probably pick up some 600-700w Cooler Master, OCZ, XFX, Thermaltake or Antec PSU for about 30-$50 routinely.


Just as a note, even when stressing your computer with a modern game, I've rarely seen anything that stresses both the CPU and GPU at 100% on all cores at the same time. Which means that you'll have less power consumption when playing a video game compared to doing some intense computational algorithm that figures out when exactly the fiscal cliff of the US debt will fall to the Yoctosecond or even to the Planck unit all while giving relevance to the time dilation due to a variety of gravitation spacial distortions from all local and foreign bodies of forces in the universe along with some weighted differences of dark matter mass, Higgs boson and the probability of when or if the protein folding mystery for Alzheimer's has been solved before the end of this calculations only to come back with the answer from you PC that "it doesn't matter, time is relative" or "42"...

#2834 Hockey37

Hockey37

    Hockey Player/Coach CAG

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:31 PM

Thanks for the suggestions JBaz. After doing some further research last night, and based on some of the things that you suggested that was confirmed by my research, I think I have my final build.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/rbDc
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker....Dc/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker....bDc/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($169.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($23.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($119.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($269.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On IHAS324-98 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1038.88
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-06 09:57 EST-0500)

I was even able to throw a BR writer in so that I can rip some of my BR discs to transfer to my tablet for traveling, and still stay close to my budget.

I like the case suggestion. I like the much simpler look of the 300R, I just but the 922 in my original build because it was a quality case. There are sooooo many freaking choices out there, makes my head hurt trying to sift through them all. But the 300R has front USB 3.0, dust guards, and seems to have adequate cooling out of the box. And a good brand name PSU with a high wattage in a combo deal, as you said, is a no brainer.

I've seen a lot of builds with an SSD. I'm still not totally sold on this idea. They are just so damned expensive per GB, even after the recent pricing drops. But everyone seems to say it's a night and day difference to run your OS off of it. Still debating.
Posted Image

#2835 Mako1215

Mako1215

    Mr.OneOfWonder

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:36 PM

Get a SSD. They are about .50/GB. You will notice a difference. Trust me! If your building a gaming rig get at least a 120gb.

First, how can you claim prior non-existance to devalue a movement? I am sure the civil rights movement would love that. "Well, there was no movement to free the slaves before, so why is it relavent now?"

518793.png


#2836 TheLongshot

TheLongshot

    CAGiversary!

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:03 PM

Get a SSD. They are about .50/GB. You will notice a difference. Trust me! If your building a gaming rig get at least a 120gb.


More than likely, this will be my next upgrade.
Posted Image

#2837 Sinfulfate

Sinfulfate

    The Podfather

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 07 December 2012 - 01:40 AM

On the topic of SSDs, any recommendations? I did some research and Im leaning towards the Samsung 830 128gb.

524190.png


#2838 Trace17

Trace17

    CAGiversary!

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 07 December 2012 - 01:58 AM

Neither card will disappoint. I've been a Nvidia guy, but I recently built a PC for my buddy that had the 7950. I want that card, like right now.

Sapphire 7950 3GB

vs.

660ti 3GB


Keyboards are a tough choice right now. Everyone wants a mechanical keyboard, which means you are gonna have to spend $70 for a decent one.


From my post above. Buried with lots of other info.

If you aren't married towards nvidia, the 7950 is a great contender over the 660 ti. Personally, I'm more of an nvidia fanboy but I have rocked a number of AMD 5000 and 6000 series gpu's in the past and love their value and price points.

For today's games, I wouldn't even make the price jump to the 7950 honestly and would save the 50-70 bucks and go with the cheaper 7870 2GB if you are playing at 1080p resolutions that's capped at 60fps with most LCD's. This comes from a guy who spent 1k on SLI gpu's last year and ends up routinely donating the spares at lan parties for the less fortunate gamers who still run with G92 chips.


Thanks for the info! I still can't decide which card I want, kinda starting to lean 7950 but not sure. But I'm hoping to order it tomorrow so...we'll see I guess ha.

Good keyboard info too JBaz, that CM Quickfire Pro seems solid, bit more than I wanted to spend up front, but I'm considering it.

#2839 elessar123

elessar123

    96.5% more WUB WUB

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 07 December 2012 - 02:31 AM

On the topic of SSDs, any recommendations? I did some research and Im leaning towards the Samsung 830 128gb.


Of the cheaper SSD drives, they're probably the best.

*Don't mean they're cheap; just they're still in the <$1/GB group.

I can't comment on cheap keyboards, but I do absolutely love my Das Keyboard, but they're not cheap.

elessar123.png


#2840 JBaz

JBaz

    CAGiversary!

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 07 December 2012 - 04:36 AM

Thanks for the suggestions JBaz. After doing some further research last night, and based on some of the things that you suggested that was confirmed by my research, I think I have my final build.

I've seen a lot of builds with an SSD. I'm still not totally sold on this idea. They are just so damned expensive per GB, even after the recent pricing drops. But everyone seems to say it's a night and day difference to run your OS off of it. Still debating.

No problems. Happy to help. Any reason why you have a 2nd optical drive? Even though its a $15 dvd drive, just seems like you just knock that off the list.

And since we bring up Blu-ray, just make sure whatever monitor or tv you have has HDCP otherwise you won't be able to watch some blu-ray's on your monitor. Everything pretty much now days are HDCP compliant, but I've seen some of the cheap Korean 1440p (not all) monitors that's been super popular lately that omit it.



As for SSD's, they are still a luxury item to want, but do not need. Personally, it really hasn't improved my computing experience of where I say its a must need item to die for. Nice? You bet! But even for a $1000 budget build, I'd rather put that $70-100 into a better gpu if you really want to focus more on gaming than needing your photoshop or OS to shave off a few seconds on load.

For game loads, you really have to be super ADHD to not bare the extra few seconds of load times from a normal hdd, but even then, in multiplayer games for new rounds, you still have to wait till everyone else loads in so in any way you put it, you still have to wait the same amount of time to kill that 13 year old kid from Tennessee who sounds like a tard when screaming and hot mics.

I really only use my SSD as a scratch disk for HD video editing (which is a HUGE plus, almost a necessity for my needs). With gobs of RAM, I keep my adobe programs open 24/7 even when gaming, plus I never turn off my system so boot times is non-essential for me. Plus the Seagate Barracuda 3TB is the fastest mechanical 7200 HDD that hits 180 MB/sec reads and 160 writes; in some cases, its faster than some modern SSD's in in-compressible reads and writes (Achilles heel for SSD's, specially randoms; some bog down to 30 MB/sec writes).

On the topic of SSDs, any recommendations? I did some research and Im leaning towards the Samsung 830 128gb.

Samsung 830's would be a prime recommendation, specially if I was looking to spend on a good brand that's speedy and decently priced now. It's almost a no brainer over everything else at the $60-80 price point, the 830 was on sale for $70 just a few days ago and almost everything in the 120GB size can be found on sale for the same.


My only advice with SSD's, if you can wait... wait. They are only going to get cheaper per GB monthly. A modern SATA III 512 GB SSD was $1000 just 9 months ago, now you can easily find them on sale for $300. At that rate, it's not far fetched to see a 512 GB SSD be priced exactly the same as a normal 500 GB HDD in the next few years.
Posted Image

#2841 Hockey37

Hockey37

    Hockey Player/Coach CAG

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 07 December 2012 - 02:48 PM

I ended up throwing in an SSD in the end. Samsung 830, 128GB.
Posted Image

#2842 Mako1215

Mako1215

    Mr.OneOfWonder

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 07 December 2012 - 04:26 PM

I'm hoping when I do a new build next year that the prices of 250GB + drives have dropped. I just use it as a gaming rig. Not a everyday rig.

I think I'm going to go for a 680sli build with triple monitors.

First, how can you claim prior non-existance to devalue a movement? I am sure the civil rights movement would love that. "Well, there was no movement to free the slaves before, so why is it relavent now?"

518793.png


#2843 JBaz

JBaz

    CAGiversary!

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 07 December 2012 - 05:26 PM

By the time you probably build a new PC in a year, 680's would be outclassed by the next nvidia flagship, the 685's; what the 680's were suppose to be. If you expect to drop $1000 on a pair of GPU's, a $150 SSD drive wouldn't scratch your budget that much. If you spend this kind of money, why wouldn't you use a powerful gaming rig as an everyday rig? Would be a huge waste of money to not use it everday...

And btw, triple monitors is hugely overrated. I've done both on AMD xfire and Nvidia SLI; neither have good solutions to deal with the huge amount of distortions on the peripheral monitors. It becomes easily apparent when you go off the y axis. Reason being, all the software is doing is forcing the perspective of a normal view and stretching over a larger image view without correcting for distortions. It's just basically turning everything into a panoramic wide angle shot.

Ends up being a huge distraction and causing you to die more. Save your money and just invest in a nice 1440/1600p display.
Posted Image

#2844 Mako1215

Mako1215

    Mr.OneOfWonder

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:54 PM

I save where I can so I can drop big money on my gpus. It won't be a year exactly. Sometime in 2013.

I'm still planning everything out, but I've got more important things to worry about currently.

First, how can you claim prior non-existance to devalue a movement? I am sure the civil rights movement would love that. "Well, there was no movement to free the slaves before, so why is it relavent now?"

518793.png


#2845 JBaz

JBaz

    CAGiversary!

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 08 December 2012 - 08:00 AM

I'd say, do your research when you build. Makes no sense to window shop when that window will constantly change and move. I'll bet by the time you build, Intel's new Haswell cpu's using the newer LGA 1150 sockets will be out (March-June), plus new NAND's from Intel or Samsung for SSD's would most likely happen as well.

#2846 argyle

argyle

Posted 08 December 2012 - 10:57 PM

I'm looking to upgrade my Radeon HD 6850 1GB, because it's starting to show its age. I'd prefer an NVidia card, mainly because I'm jealous of all the Phys-X stuff, but if there's a Radeon that will give me more bang-for-the-buck and I'm told the Phys-X stuff isn't worth it then I'd consider going that route too. Any suggestions? I'd like to keep it under $300, but will I see a significant jump with a card in that price range?
Posted Image

#2847 JBaz

JBaz

    CAGiversary!

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 08 December 2012 - 11:53 PM

I'm looking to upgrade my Radeon HD 6850 1GB, because it's starting to show its age. I'd prefer an NVidia card, mainly because I'm jealous of all the Phys-X stuff, but if there's a Radeon that will give me more bang-for-the-buck and I'm told the Phys-X stuff isn't worth it then I'd consider going that route too. Any suggestions? I'd like to keep it under $300, but will I see a significant jump with a card in that price range?

I'd look at these three cards around your price range.

GTX 660 Ti ($270)
AMD HD 7950 ($270)
GTX 670 ($320)

The HD 7950 is a great value card that is on par or slight faster (marginally) than the GTX 670 for $50+ less and gives you an extra 1GB of VRAM. If you want to stick with nvidia, then the GTX 660 Ti is a good choice, although you do pay the premium to be on nvidia in this price range. I really haven't seen any sales on the mid/top tier 600 series cards, so I doubt you'll find anything that's actually a slick deal anytime soon. My hopes for the 660 Ti to be closer to the $200-220 range for BF was asking too much.

Either three cards are going to be 2-3x faster than your current budget HD 6850 card. You will not be disappointed.


Honestly, I have Nvidia and physix is just useless debris and trash post processing; sometimes it's annoying and I turn it off. Overly hyped and not enough games that actually use it correctly, even though its like 6 years old now. Developers don't want to develop rich features that requires phsyix for the main gameplay, which would alienate AMD customers.

It really sucks because the latest iteration of the Physix engine can do sooo much cool stuff, like hair effects in real time. Right now, physix is really only good for animators and CGI stuff; not to mention science/math processing.
Posted Image

#2848 argyle

argyle

Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:20 AM

Thank you! Is any manufacturer better than another w/ the AMD HD 7950 cards?
Posted Image

#2849 Prota

Prota

    CAGiversary!

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:46 AM

Hey all. I was hoping my first post after all the advice everyone gave me would be from my newly built computer, but it seems that I've hit a snag.

I'm almost done with everything, however the z68 ftw motherboard has become a problem. I tried to connect the PSU to the 24-pin connector, but someone thought it was a good idea to have it facing out of the side of the motherboard. The 5.25' cage in the HAF 912 directly gets in the way and I'm unable to connect the PSU.

I'm trying to find a work around that doesn't involve me taking everything apart and ordering new parts, especially since the motherboard in non-refundable. The only ideas I can think of would be to unscrew the cage (don't even think I have a screwdriver that matches the round screws), connect the PSU and see if the wires can bend enough to allow the cage to be reinserted (which sounds a bit dangerous and seems extremely unlikely), or manually cut a part of the cage off to allow enough space to allow the connection.

Would anyone have any ideas that I may have overlooked?

Edited by Prota, 09 December 2012 - 02:38 AM.


#2850 chibilaharl

chibilaharl

    CAGiversary!

  • CAGiversary!

Posted 09 December 2012 - 02:56 AM

curious, best deal on a 500w min PSU, that will fit with my rig. only one caveat, it needs to be for sale on amazon.

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 AM3 3.4Ghz 512KB 45NM 125W 4000MHZ 75$ -19$
Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-970A-D3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard 46$ -14$
Memory: Corsair Vengence 8gb x2 32$ -8
Storage: Samsung 830 128gig 60$
Case: HAF 912 30$
Gigabyte AMD Radeon HD 7850 2 GB GDDR5 DVI-I/HDMI/2x mini-Displayport PCI-Express 3.0 Graphic Card GV-R785OC-2GD 149$ (179-30MIR)