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#1 Exu

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 02:31 PM

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Normally retailing for 400 Microsoft Points, the Premium Challenge Pack is now 240 for this week only. This deal is only available to gold subscribers.
Not bad considering PGR4 is dirt cheap now.

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(At the time of writing it's still showing up as 400 for me on the Web Marketplace, give it time to refresh or check the dashboard.)

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#2 Slappybob

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 02:40 PM

Booooo Bring on Castle Crashers!
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#3 Exu

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 02:42 PM

Castle Crashers ain't gonna be on DOTW any time soon, people are still buying it.
Heck, last week it came 3rd in the best-selling Arcade games.
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Posted 09 March 2009 - 02:43 PM

What is this 240 crap ?

Why can't they just make it 200, I'm not buying this and having 60points floating about that I can't do anything with !!!

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#5 Exu

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 02:56 PM

They're not gonna make EVERYTHING half price. This is still 40% off.

That and last week we had NG2 content at 560 so there's your other 40 right there. :p
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#6 MidValley

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 03:02 PM

So I just bought it and now I have 340 points left....ugh
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Posted 09 March 2009 - 03:12 PM

Thanks M$ bring on more crappy deals :'(
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#8 lllGurulll

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 03:20 PM

What is this 240 crap ?

Why can't they just make it 200, I'm not buying this and having 60points floating about that I can't do anything with !!!

It's all part of the plan.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 03:24 PM

That and last week we had NG2 content at 560 so there's your other 40 right there. :p

The NG2 mission pack was 30% off.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 03:38 PM

Im not even going to buy it even though l play it on the weekly basis. This is really only a 25% savings, they purposely Fuck this with the extra 60 points going to waste. Plus the game is quite old now.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 03:41 PM

The NG2 mission pack was 30% off.


Yes, and the 560 spent from last week's deal will have left some people with a balance ending in 40 MSP, this deal brings it back to a balance ending in 00. Another DOTW somewhere down the line will hopefully end in a 60 for people who have points left over now.
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Posted 09 March 2009 - 03:44 PM

Braid was impressive but the last 2 have been pretty meh.
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Posted 09 March 2009 - 03:52 PM

I've had PGR4 for ages now and still haven't played it... should I download this to have it ready when I actually play PGR or will it be cheap by then regardless?

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 03:56 PM

Well it's better than no DotW, glad they decided to do this again.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 04:08 PM

Well it's better than no DotW, glad they decided to do this again.


I was all for this at first, and its still better then nothing....but I am starting to wonder if its too little to late. Look at the steam sale threads and see tons of people screaming damn you steam! Every weekend its taking our money because of either huge 75% off sales or because the smaller 30-40% off sales are atleast on stuff like L4D and TF2. Compare it to 30-50% off on old dlc that many feel was overpriced anyways.......and only if your a gold member.....as I said still happy MS is doing this just wondering if its too little too late.
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Posted 09 March 2009 - 04:10 PM

If Braid could mae the list I don't see why Castle Crashers can't. Besides I want more XBLA games or discount for triple A DLC. Like if that prince of persia DLC which is brand new had a discount I'd be all over it.
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Posted 09 March 2009 - 04:16 PM

Common Samuari Warriors 2 XL DLC! I don't want to spend $20 plus on it but I want to finish off that stupid game now that I have it.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 04:27 PM

I was all for this at first, and its still better then nothing....but I am starting to wonder if its too little to late. Look at the steam sale threads and see tons of people screaming damn you steam! Every weekend its taking our money because of either huge 75% off sales or because the smaller 30-40% off sales are atleast on stuff like L4D and TF2. Compare it to 30-50% off on old dlc that many feel was overpriced anyways.......and only if your a gold member.....as I said still happy MS is doing this just wondering if its too little too late.


Too little too late for what? There is effectively zero overhead in any of this downloadable content being available. This creates interest and drives sales. What is there to be "too little too late" over?

Why are you even trying to compare what they are doing here to what is happening each weekend on Steam? The two are mutually exclusive. If you aren't a PC gamer, you don't even know what Steam is. If you are a PC gamer and don't own a 360, then why do you care what price Microsoft sets DLC content at?



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Posted 09 March 2009 - 04:29 PM

I was all for this at first, and its still better then nothing....but I am starting to wonder if its too little to late. Look at the steam sale threads and see tons of people screaming damn you steam! Every weekend its taking our money because of either huge 75% off sales or because the smaller 30-40% off sales are atleast on stuff like L4D and TF2. Compare it to 30-50% off on old dlc that many feel was overpriced anyways.......and only if your a gold member.....as I said still happy MS is doing this just wondering if its too little too late.


Agreed, they really aren't very agressive with the pricing on this stuff. A lot of the content they are using for these deals of the week, should have had a 50% price drop anyways. I'm glad we are finally seeing some sort of price movement, but they need to go farther.

I would think that it would make more sense to have prices that fluctuate with the demand (like Goozex does with games) so each week you would see a lot of price drops, even if they were incremental. It doesn't make sense to have such a rigid pricing structure when these aren't products out in stores. You would consistently drive traffic the live marketplace, with people frequently checking to see whats changed.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 04:34 PM

Too little too late for what? There is effectively zero overhead in any of this downloadable content being available. This creates interest and drives sales. What is there to be "too little too late" over?

Why are you even trying to compare what they are doing here to what is happening each weekend on Steam? The two are mutually exclusive. If you aren't a PC gamer, you don't even know what Steam is. If you are a PC gamer and don't own a 360, then why do you care what price Microsoft sets DLC content at?


I am NOT a PC gamer and that is the point. I have always hated the PC as a gaming platform because it was uncomfortable, more complicated then it needed to be(patches, hardware issues etc etc) and in general just a hassle. Steam has made it so its not such a hassle and is tossing huge sales our way or on great content. Most people own a PC so if your choice is between getting DLC that many say is overpriced and doesnt add much on XBLA or for like $2 more getting a full game like TF2 on steam....what do you think people are going to pick?

Again I am glad MS is having sales, but given that you must be a gold member you must essentially pay for access to these sales. Then add in that the sales themselves so far have been for 1 game and 2 DLC.....vs comparing the last 3 weeks on Steam which like it or not is a related service where we have seen TF2, Unreal Tournment and World of Goo the last 3 weeks.....it again just strikes me as MS doing far too little too late. If they really want to compete, especially given the fact that you must be a gold member they need to start putting stuff like Castle Crashers, Penny Arcade and other full games up, or discounting the DLC 75% +.
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#21 msdmoney

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 04:50 PM

Too little too late for what? There is effectively zero overhead in any of this downloadable content being available. This creates interest and drives sales. What is there to be "too little too late" over?

Why are you even trying to compare what they are doing here to what is happening each weekend on Steam? The two are mutually exclusive. If you aren't a PC gamer, you don't even know what Steam is. If you are a PC gamer and don't own a 360, then why do you care what price Microsoft sets DLC content at?


Too little, too late for any type of big sales increase from this price drop. What type of sales increase do you think a store would see if they dropped PGR4 from the $60 original price, to $36 at this point? Too little, too late? Since they have such little overhead, you would think they would be more aggressive with the pricing, especially with content that really isn’t on the consumer’s radar anymore. If they are trying to drive traffic to the marketplace they need less rigid pricing, it makes people more likely to browse through the marketplace.

The Steam comparison is valid, just as bringing up a Sony sale on DLC would be valid. They are still competing “platforms,” despite being on different “systems.” If you see one “platform” holder consistently having huge sales, while the other has very minor sales, it still makes you think about what you are getting for your dollar. Steam has shown huge sales increases, from huge discounts, enough that they can (sometimes) make more profit from the sale, than selling the game full price.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 05:03 PM

I am NOT a PC gamer and that is the point. I have always hated the PC as a gaming platform because it was uncomfortable, more complicated then it needed to be(patches, hardware issues etc etc) and in general just a hassle. Steam has made it so its not such a hassle and is tossing huge sales our way or on great content. Most people own a PC so if your choice is between getting DLC that many say is overpriced and doesnt add much on XBLA or for like $2 more getting a full game like TF2 on steam....what do you think people are going to pick?

Again I am glad MS is having sales, but given that you must be a gold member you must essentially pay for access to these sales. Then add in that the sales themselves so far have been for 1 game and 2 DLC.....vs comparing the last 3 weeks on Steam which like it or not is a related service where we have seen TF2, Unreal Tournment and World of Goo the last 3 weeks.....it again just strikes me as MS doing far too little too late. If they really want to compete, especially given the fact that you must be a gold member they need to start putting stuff like Castle Crashers, Penny Arcade and other full games up, or discounting the DLC 75% +.


Just because most people own a PC, doesn't mean that people game on them. You're acting here like Microsoft has any direct competition on live. There is none. No one else controls the pricing on Live except Microsoft. Who says they want to compete with a PC based platform (Steam)? What exactly would they be competing over? Steam doesn't offer content on Xbox Live, so again, why would Microsoft care?

Too little, too late for any type of big sales increase from this price drop. What type of sales increase do you think a store would see if they dropped PGR4 from the $60 original price, to $36 at this point? Too little, too late? Since they have such little overhead, you would think they would be more aggressive with the pricing, especially with content that really isn’t on the consumer’s radar anymore. If they are trying to drive traffic to the marketplace they need less rigid pricing, it makes people more likely to browse through the marketplace.

The Steam comparison is valid, just as bringing up a Sony sale on DLC would be valid. They are still competing “platforms,” despite being on different “systems.” If you see one “platform” holder consistently having huge sales, while the other has very minor sales, it still makes you think about what you are getting for your dollar. Steam has shown huge sales increases, from huge discounts, enough that they can (sometimes) make more profit from the sale, than selling the game full price.


I'm not sure what you're talking about with PGR dropping from $60 to $36. That makes little sense, being as how the game itself is under $15 most places. Microsoft putting DLC on sale drives sales regardless. Someone is buying this content for the reduced prices.

Not everyone has the CAG mindset about comparing "value" when it comes to a content deliverable service across platforms. You often forget that CAG does not represent the mass of people out there. Our 30k members (if that) are nothing in comparison to the hundreds of thousands that think a slight discount on Live is a deal. The general gaming public sees a reduction in a DLC price and will eat it up, regardless of "value".

Back on topic, can anyone recommend this pack? Is it worth the 240?



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Posted 09 March 2009 - 05:41 PM

Just because most people own a PC, doesn't mean that people game on them. You're acting here like Microsoft has any direct competition on live. There is none. No one else controls the pricing on Live except Microsoft. Who says they want to compete with a PC based platform (Steam)? What exactly would they be competing over? Steam doesn't offer content on Xbox Live, so again, why would Microsoft care?



I'm not sure what you're talking about with PGR dropping from $60 to $36. That makes little sense, being as how the game itself is under $15 most places. Microsoft putting DLC on sale drives sales regardless. Someone is buying this content for the reduced prices.

Not everyone has the CAG mindset about comparing "value" when it comes to a content deliverable service across platforms. You often forget that CAG does not represent the mass of people out there. Our 30k members (if that) are nothing in comparison to the hundreds of thousands that think a slight discount on Live is a deal. The general gaming public sees a reduction in a DLC price and will eat it up, regardless of "value".

Back on topic, can anyone recommend this pack? Is it worth the 240?


Whatever think what you want but before just a few months ago I considered myself a console gamer only and now I am buying a lot of PC games because of steam. We have seen numerous topics where people have said the same so I know I am not alone. Given this fact its obviously not a stupid comment to say to little to late. If MS would have just marked the price down on old games or put newer ones on sale now and then and at an earlier date there is a good chance I would have never looked to the PC to provide me with my download able content. Again if I am not the only one that has gravitated away from Xbox live and towards steam and other such services it shows a missed opportunity for MS. Hell I have even seen people say about XBLA games/content I will wait till its cheaper on steam.
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#24 msdmoney

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 07:13 PM

I'm not sure what you're talking about with PGR dropping from $60 to $36. That makes little sense, being as how the game itself is under $15 most places. Microsoft putting DLC on sale drives sales regardless. Someone is buying this content for the reduced prices.


Looks like you picked up on the point just fine. $60 to $36 is the same as the discount for the downloadable content, but PGR4 has already dropped in price to much less than that due to demand. If they were to have just dropped PGR4 to $36 now, it would barely make a blip, because it is no longer on the radar of the average consumer. It may drive some sales, but I don’t think these sales are going to drive the kind of traffic they could be getting.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 07:15 PM

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Normally retailing for 400 Microsoft Points, the Premium Challenge Pack is now 240 for this week only. This deal is only available to gold subscribers.
Not bad considering PGR4 is dirt cheap now.

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(At the time of writing it's still showing up as 400 for me on the Web Marketplace, give it time to refresh or check the dashboard.)


LOL, where's the deal? Can't find it! LOL.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 07:20 PM

Bringing this thread a little more on topic...anyone have it already, anyone have opinions on if it is worth more than free since this is probably the lowest its going to go.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 07:21 PM

Whatever think what you want but before just a few months ago I considered myself a console gamer only and now I am buying a lot of PC games because of steam. We have seen numerous topics where people have said the same so I know I am not alone. Given this fact its obviously not a stupid comment to say to little to late. If MS would have just marked the price down on old games or put newer ones on sale now and then and at an earlier date there is a good chance I would have never looked to the PC to provide me with my download able content. Again if I am not the only one that has gravitated away from Xbox live and towards steam and other such services it shows a missed opportunity for MS. Hell I have even seen people say about XBLA games/content I will wait till its cheaper on steam.


Which games are you buying on Steam that are also offered on XBLA, aside from EETS and 1-2 others? Why would MS mark down the price on something that has been selling just fine? You might not be the only one that has "gravitated away" from Xbox live, but you represent a VERY small minority. XBL's target audience will see this deal, notice that it's a discount and sales will be increased because of it. Again you forget that not everyone thinks like everyone else on CAG. It's hardly a missed opportunity at all. If anything, it's more of an opportunity now than ever before for them to take advantage of the situation they are in.

Looks like you picked up on the point just fine. $60 to $36 is the same as the discount for the downloadable content, but PGR4 has already dropped in price to much less than that due to demand. If they were to have just dropped PGR4 to $36 now, it would barely make a blip, because it is no longer on the radar of the average consumer. It may drive some sales, but I don’t think these sales are going to drive the kind of traffic they could be getting.


For reference, I am talking about DLC sales. We all know that PGR 4 sold like shit, which was evident by it's $20 price tag 3 months after release. This DLC *might* improve sales of PGR4 discs, but it most definitely WILL improve sales of the downloadable content for PGR 4 itself.



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Posted 09 March 2009 - 07:47 PM

In case anyone was looking for a decent deal on the actual game, Walmart has it for $10 in store. I rented this game when it came out and thought it was decent but lacked too much difference from PGR3 which I bought at launch.

I remember downloading the DLC for PGR2 and how it was 10 dollars for 1 map or something like that. Those days all DLC was cool and felt necessary.
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Posted 09 March 2009 - 08:45 PM

This and last weeks "deal" strike me as kind of lame, especially when MS is trying to make it seem like they're doing something special for Gold Live members. Saying this is better than nothing is kind of like saying a slap in the face is better than a kick in the nuts. :twisted:

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 09:03 PM

I'll probably buy it. I've always been a fan of the PGR series.