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#1 shipwreck

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 05:24 AM

CAG's shipwreck & mrs. shipwreck preview the new releases for the week of March 10th, 2009. This week we talk about big releases such as Resident Evil 5 and MadWorld, but there are plenty of lower profile games that are worthy of your time as well. We also discuss Lisa Kudrow.

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Multi-Platform

MySims Party Dev. EA Redwood Shores Pub. Electronic Arts Systems: DS, Wii MSRP: $29.99, $39.99
Mini-games with mini-Sims. - ship

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Resident Evil 5 Dev. Capcom Pub. Capcom Systems: 360, PS3 MSRP: $59.99, $89.99
Do you like Resident Evil 4, co-op gameplay, and Africa? Resident Evil 5 certainly hopes so as it continues the departure from the slow-paced, puzzle oriented beginnings of the series and embarks on a action-packed safari of African zombie killing. Featuring two-player co-op both locally and online, the game is built around teamwork... well that, and really cumbersome controls. I certainly enjoy taking down the undead, but for some reason I was absolutely terrible at Resident Evil 4 and those skills have carried over to Resident Evil 5 which results in this being a game that I really want to enjoy, but simply can't. - ship

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SBK: Superbike World Championship Dev. Milestone Inc. Pub. Crave Entertainment Systems: PSP, 360, PS3 MSRP: $19.99, $29.99
This crotch-rocket simulator isn’t going to blow your chaps off, but for a budget price it may rub some people the right way. - ship

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Totally Spies!: Totally Party Dev. UbiSoft Pub. Valcon Systems: PS2, Wii MSRP: $9.99, $19.99
I RSVP’d “No”. - ship

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Trivial Pursuit Dev. Adrenalin Interactive Pub. Electronic Arts Systems: PS2, Wii, 360, PS3 MSRP: $29.99, $39.99
I’m excited about this title only because we’ve been having so much fun playing Buzz! on our PS3. We also have Scene It for the 360, but have generally preferred Buzz because of it’s variety of topics and quirky game twists. From what I can tell, there are several different game modes and some free downloadable content available already. The graphics look bland and you generally can’t really tell if you’re going to like these type games before you play them. We’ll buy it, play it, and let you know. But no doubt the game would be improved by some pie throwing. – mrs. ship

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Wii

M&M's Beach Party Dev. Zoo Games Pub. Zoo Games Systems: Wii MSRP: $19.99
At last, the perfect pairing of anthropomorphic chocolates and steamy, sandy beach sports has come to pass. - ship

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MadWorld Dev. PlatinumGames Pub. SEGA Systems: Wii MSRP: $49.99
What’s black and white and red all over AND makes assholes obsolete? Well, a colostomy bag made of newspaper of course, but this is actually a preview for MadWorld; SEGA’s ultraviolent beat’em up portrayed in stark monochromatic style. With bonus points for the amount of brutality used when disposing of enemies, this game is ludicrously over-the-top and the running commentary (featuring John DiMaggio and Greg Proops) perfectly compliments you whether you are impaling someone with a stop sign or simply boring them a new one with your chainsaw arm. My only concern is the game’s ability to stay fresh throughout, but in quick, blood-drenched bursts, MadWorld is going to be a lot of fun. - ship

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Marble Saga: Kororinpa Dev. Hudson Entertainment Pub. Konami Systems: Wii MSRP: $29.99
The follow-up to the well-received Kororinpa: Marble Mania, Marble Saga expands on the maddening marble mazes by including multiplayer races, customizable marbles, Balance Board support, and a level creator. There’s also over 150 levels in the main campaign which centers around an ant trying to reach a sunflower. Okay, so maybe not the most intriguing of storylines, but it does add another dimension to the “Honey, I Shrunk the Kids” scale of environments. For $30, this seems sizeable. - ship

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New Play Control! Mario Power Tennis Dev. Camelot Pub. Nintendo Systems: Wii MSRP: $29.99
I liked this game on the GameCube where the controls worked well and actually required quite a bit of precision on a lot of the mini-games. Updating this with Wiimote controls just simplifies the game to Wii Sports levels – which is great for Nintendo’s pick-up-and-play audience, but not so hot for those of us who know better. Just stick with the original. - ship

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New Play Control! Pikmin Dev. Nintendo Pub. Nintendo Systems: Wii MSRP: $29.99
I can’t be so harsh at the retooling of Pikmin with Wii controls as they actually make sense for a game built around selecting cute little plant-creatures and telling them where you’d like them to waddle. The only negative to this is that they’ve already announced that the superior Pikmin 2 will also be getting the Wii treatment later this year. So if you’ve been able to wait eight years to play Pikmin, you might be able to wait eight years and a few more months to play the sequel. - ship

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DS

Animal Planet: Emergency Vets Dev. Activision Pub. Activision Systems: DS MSRP: $29.99
I have no idea how this compares to the litter of other veterinarian games on the DS other than this is the first one from Activision. Congrats, Activision, you’ve made it. - ship

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Avalon Code Dev. Marvelous Pub. Xseed Systems: DS MSRP: $34.99
The world is ending (again), so it’s your character’s job to record as much of it as possible into a large encyclopedia. That way, everything can be recreated once the universe settles down. Sounds like a simple storyline, but this title is a must-try for RPG lovers. The developer is behind such games as Harvest Moon and Rune Factory, so I’m extra-excited to give this title a go. Visually, it reminds me of Eternal Sonata (which is a pretty solid compliment for a DS title). The game play, however, is like nothing I’ve played before. It can only be described as innovative and thus entertaining. As you meet characters, monsters, and visit various locations throughout this action-RPG, you log each person/place/thing into a prophecy book. Then, you are able to change their properties. Difficult to defeat monster? Not when you remove its power-ups. Meet someone new? Smack them with the book and imprint their properties into it, allowing the book to level up. I’ll be playing this one upon release. – mrs. ship

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BOING! Docomodake Dev. AQ Interactive Pub. Ignition Entertainment Systems: DS MSRP: $19.99
Based on the theory that mushrooms with limbs sell games, Ignition Entertainment brings us the newest DS action/adventure title. The little mushroom man is the mascot for a Japanese cell phone company, and he’s spawning his own line of stuff a-la Spot from 7UP (remember that game?). Sure, it’s an advertisement in disguise. But what is this game really? Awesome! The visuals remind me of Super Mario World for the SNES. The mushroom character splits into four mini-mushrooms, allowing for puzzle action throughout the levels. There are also the standard weight-based puzzles and other entertaining fare. Overall, this game is a must-buy for those looking for a solid platformer on the DS. – mrs. ship

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Dream Day: Wedding Destinations Dev. THQ Pub. THQ Systems: DS MSRP: $19.99
Believe it or not, I’m not going to make fun of this game. It’s a hidden-object game where clicking on stuff (entirely logically) leads to perfectly planned weddings for three different brides. I would probably play this… and like it. - ship

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Jake Power: Handyman Dev. UbiSoft Pub. UbiSoft Systems: DS MSRP: $29.99
Can’t this guy hold a steady job? First he was a policeman and a firefighter, and now he’s moving in on Schneider’s territory? Please, Jake Power, you are no Schneider. - ship

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My English Coach Para Hispanoparlantes Dev. UbiSoft Pub. UbiSoft Systems: DS MSRP: $29.99
The follow-up to My Spanish Coach tests if you’ve learned enough Spanish to teach yourself English. - ship

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My Pet Shop Dev. Taito Pub. Square Enix Systems: DS MSRP: $29.99
“Catch over 40 different animals, ranging from golden retrievers and calico cats to pandas and penguins.” I knew a Square Enix published “Pet Shop” game would somehow be absurd. Now everybody quiet down, that golden retriever is anxiously close to springing my “tennis ball under a cardboard box trap”. - ship

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World Championship Games: A Track & Field Event Dev. Code Monkeys Pub. The Game Factory Systems: DS MSRP: $29.99
With World Championship Games you can compete alone or online in fourteen events featuring typical rhythmic and meter-based track and field controls. Most likely, you will be competing alone. - ship

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ZUBO Dev. EA Bright Light Pub. Electronic Arts Systems: DS MSRP: $29.99
Bright colors? Check. Cute characters? Check. Rhythm-based-action/RPG game play? Check. It is geared toward younger audiences, but seems intriguing enough to entice the DS lover. Check out the online game trailers to get a better idea of what to expect. – mrs. ship

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PSP

Mana Khemia: Student Alliance Dev. Gust Pub. NIS America Systems: PSP MSRP: $29.99
In gearing up for this preview, I broke out Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis for the PS2. The overall concept of the storyline is an RPG based around a school campus, which I love. The first hour I played of Al-Revis was a lot of introduction, but the graphics are great and the storyline kept me interested from the start. I loved it. However, I don’t tend to pick up the PSP except on special occasions, and this title is an “updated” port of the PS2 version. I can’t find any previews and the game descriptors could fit with either game. Unless the updates are spectacular, I don’t see much need to add the game to my own collection. But, those of you who enjoy your RPGs on the go should definitely check it out. On a side note, this title got a 68/100 critic scores on metacritic, with IGN and 1-Up rounding out the bottom. The users gave it a 9.6/10. Yes, it’s got some old-school graphics but I found them nostalgic and resfreshing. At least all the characters don’t look like Precious Moments figurines. – mrs. ship

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On The DL

Alex Kidd: The Lost Stars Dev. SEGA Pub. SEGA Systems: Wii Virtual Console (Master System) MSRP: $5
The Lost Stars is SEGA’s Monchichi wannabe’s second platforming outing. It’s not as good as the first outing, and, honestly, the first game doesn’t really hold up well either. Which, coincidentally, is also true of thirty-year-old Monchichi fur. - ship







Gradius ReBirth Dev. Konami Pub. Konami Systems: WiiWare MSRP: $10
A remix of sorts of classic 16-bit Gradius games mashed into a single game. Gradius fans should enjoy it, although $10 for five levels is on the pricey side. - ship







Crystal Defenders Dev. Tose Co., Ltd. Pub. Square Enix Systems: XBLA MSRP: $10
Previously released for the iPod and iPhone, this tower defense game starring characters from the Final Fantasy universe is coming to the PSN and WiiWare services at a later date. Fans of the genre and Chocobos should check it out as I enjoyed the small amount I played on my iPod. Unfortunately, it's still a single player affair though. - ship






NCAA Basketball 09: March Madness Edition Dev. EA Canada Pub. Electronic Arts Systems: XBLA MSRP: $15
If you are a University of Memphis fan, such as myself, this is almost the perfect package: all the excitement of March Madness without having to play all those Conference USA games. Since I wasn’t thrilled with the gameplay of the full retail release, though, I think $15 is still a tad too much. - ship






Peggle Dev. PopCap Games Pub. PopCap Games Systems: XBLA MSRP: $10
Wow, so I've played 2 out of the 3 XBLA games this week on my iPod. That certainly says something about the state of iPod/iPhone gaming, but what you really need to know about are rainbows, unicorns, Extreme Fevers, and the music from Die Hard - now with four-player multiplayer! None can resist the combination of those wonderful things when it comes to shooting balls at pegs and watching them bounce around. - ship







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#2 DesertEagleXIX

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 05:38 AM

Welcome back, Kotters!

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#3 serenitygod

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 05:42 AM

Thank you for the podcast but, feel better.
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#4 Quintessence

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 05:50 AM

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#5 Majora2010

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 05:58 AM

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 06:00 AM

nice.

#7 thorbahn3

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 06:03 AM

Shipwreck doesn't like Sonic 3?!!!! Go Fuck yourself. ;)
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#8 MSUHitman

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 06:29 AM

Shouldn't this be episode 61 as you had that one time you put out just a text show? Sorry I haven't listened yet so my bad if you already explained this.

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#9 Schmackledorf

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 06:57 AM

Woohoo! Now I know for sure that I have something for my 3 hour drive back home this spring break. Hopefully there's also a CAGcast; then I'd have the entire drive covered pretty much. Thanks a lot guys!

#10 KingBroly

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 07:11 AM

I'm about to blow your mind here Shipwreck: In the original Zelda, you can save the game without killing yourself. You have to go to the Item Menu and press the Select button.
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#11 neocisco

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 07:26 AM

Cool. I thought Foreplay was a thing of the past.

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#12 adriley313

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 07:29 AM

Finally everyone favorite married couple are back , no offense Brangelina. Its great that your back. I can't wait to hear your review on the new pokémon platinum game.

How come you guys didnt review Ys Book 1&2 for the DS. Its a cool retro upgrade game.
Keep up the good work guys!!!!

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#13 thenexus6

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 08:48 AM

Yes.

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#14 Cao Cao

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 10:08 AM

Shipwreck doesn't like Sonic 3?!!!! Go Fuck yourself. ;)
Oh and no ripping on the Sega CD, it was the 90's yo.


I almost have to wonder if they were mistakenly talking about Sonic 3D Blast, since Shipwreck was saying something like "This is when they were trying 3D stuff on the Genesis while pushing the Saturn and Sega CD." The only 3D effects I know of in Sonic 3 are the Special stages, and really, I can't see how hating that optional part would warrant use of the "awful" label for the entire game.

And agreed on the Sega CD; it had Snatcher, Sonic CD, Out of this World 1 & 2, Flashback, Popful Mail, Lunar 1 & 2, Shining Force CD, etc.



#15 Hbomb5

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 10:12 AM

I guess we can call off the search party.
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#16 weevles

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 10:23 AM

Welcome back, you two crazy kids!

#17 Achuba Nanoia

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 11:54 AM

Awesome, I can't wait to listen to you guys when I get back from work! Great to have you two back, more comments to follow later ;).
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#18 ShinAkumA21

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 12:21 PM

welcome back shippy will you be playing resident evil 5 together with your wife?

#19 wiiheat

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 12:24 PM

Yeah, Lisa Kudrow is about appealing to women. Paz Vega playing DDR is targeted to guys.

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 03:44 PM

Just listened good show, remember shipwreck to do your video game collection video tour.

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#21 Chowbots

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 09:12 PM

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#22 FriskyTanuki

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 09:26 PM

Welcome back, but I have some unfortunate news:

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Buzz! Jr.: Jungle Party's out on PSN this week for $5. ;) I'll see what else is supposed to be out, too.

Edit: Have to add Astro Tripper for $5, Red Baron Arcade for $10, and Mercury Meltdown for the PSP for $10 for this week's PSN update.

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#23 Gillespee

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 11:28 PM

Hooray! LOL, I'm pretty sure Mrs. Ship asked the same question "Does it use your music" the last time you two talked about Peggle. Please do check it out Mrs. Ship, it's my favorite iPod game.

I didn't notice any coughs, so the editing must have gone well Mr. Ship! I've been enjoying going back through the old shows, but it's VERY nice to have you back!

#24 TripMasterMunky

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 01:21 AM

While I do find Lisa Kudrow attractive, I do agree that the commercial is aimed towards women.
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#25 Master Shake

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 03:31 AM

Thanks for the info about Pikmin 2. I'll at least pick up that one after it comes out when it's down to $20. Not sure about the first pikmin.

#26 Regian

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 04:50 AM

First and most importantly, great show guys.

Now, I have to be one of the guys that pays attention to the Lisa Kudrow commercials FOR Lisa Kudrow. Yeah, she's hot. She could be telling me why I should get a vasectomy and I'd listen to every word.

Also, I am with the Mrs. on the Peggle deal. I had never played Peggle before tonight. I downloaded it after I got home from work, and holy shit. Plinko on speed is the correct term here. I'm really digging the "Peggle Party" mode, as well. Thank you very much Shipwreck for the recommendation, this game is badical.
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#27 Froogin

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 06:21 AM

It seems you guys didn't go rusty during the huge gap between shows, also I wanna see the video of your game collection at some point ship.
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#28 Skel LaTour

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 02:37 PM

Was I correct in hearing you mention that a veterinarian game came out and you guys glossed right over it? Wouldn't that be right in your wheelhouse, Mrs. Ship? Or is it a case of "I do that all day, I don't need a game about it". (I know that I'm not looking forward to IT Admin: The Game.)

#29 mrs. shipwreck

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 02:42 PM

Was I correct in hearing you mention that a veterinarian game came out and you guys glossed right over it? Wouldn't that be right in your wheelhouse, Mrs. Ship? Or is it a case of "I do that all day, I don't need a game about it". (I know that I'm not looking forward to IT Admin: The Game.)


You must be new to the show! There currently exist 2,456ish games based on pets, pet stores, veterinary medicine, zoology, and various animal speciez. The market is saturated, so we tend to skip those games. I love my job, but yes, I do that all day and I don't need to play a game about it. :D

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#30 stonefry

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 03:28 PM

Should have titled this one "We didn't have time for Foreplay"