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CAGcast #201: In Dreams, Furniture, but not in the Tuchas


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#1 CheapyD

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 05:41 AM

This week's show features Alpha Protocol, Red Dead Redemption, and a post-show spoilerific Alan Wake discussion. We've also got the latest gaming and shopping news, your CAGbag and Twitter questions and much more!


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#2 TheAggroCraig

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 05:56 AM

Looks like I'll be forced to finish Alan Wake before I listen to the whole thing... that's some damn good motivation there.

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#3 SmackMyPanda

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 05:56 AM

Nice! Explicit tag. About 100 episodes late. Thanks for the episode.
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#4 CheapyD

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 05:58 AM

Its very clear where the spoiler discussion starts...at the very end of the show.
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Nice! Explicit tag. About 100 episodes late. Thanks for the episode.

Heh...I decided to just do a Find & Replace in the RSS feed. Now people can't say that they weren't properly warned!

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 05:59 AM

sweet. gives me something fresh to listen to
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#6 TheAggroCraig

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 06:01 AM

Its very clear where the spoiler discussion starts...at the very end of the show.
You don't have to worry about any accidents.


Heh...I decided to just do a Find & Replace in the RSS feed. Now people can't say that they weren't properly warned!


I figured as much basing it on the Metro 2033 one, and the other game you guys did too which I forget... Mass Effect 2? I don't think I listened to that part because I still haven't beaten that one either.

Definitely appreciate the whole separation from the regular episode, makes it a lot easier than to guess where the discussion ended.

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#7 AleetPanda

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 06:36 AM

Why is it that Wombat is the only one that gets to talk about his boring personal drama?
Wombat to Cheapy "Nobody cares, lets move on."

Edit: also Cheapy, I don't think there is anything that Nintendo can do to please you and make you plug in your Wii.

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 06:37 AM

Thnx, downloading now :D

- and everyone leave Wombat alone - haha

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 06:40 AM

:32-:33 minutes into the show boatcrash and cheapy start talking at the same time. Audio editing problem, or rude podcasters?

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 06:45 AM

:32-:33 minutes into the show boatcrash and cheapy start talking at the same time. Audio editing problem, or rude podcasters?


Haha, yeah Boatcrash was kinda talking first but I guess Cheapy being " Head Cheap Ass " he has the right to start talkin whenever he wants haha:lol::lol:

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 06:55 AM

Skype problem...fixing that now. I'll have a new version uploaded shortly.
Edit: Fixed.

Edited by CheapyD, 03 June 2010 - 07:12 AM.


#12 Davestation

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 07:10 AM

I'd download it but I do not know what my two year old did with my touch, she stashed it somewhere and only brings it to me when it needs to be charged.....
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Posted 03 June 2010 - 08:00 AM

The point of dropping the price of the DS (at least in my humble opinion) is two fold: One, clear out the remaining stock of the DS lite and two, lowering the price of the DSi/XL helps separate the pricing structure between them and the 3DS. If you have $150/$170 for DSi/XL and $200 for 3DS, it's easier to make a distinction for the consumer to say they're different products then having them bunched up at $170/$190/$200. Expect this announcement to happen at E3, the DS lite will be at $99 I'm guessing.
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#14 RedCap

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 08:21 AM

Great show guys.

Really liked the Alan Wake spoiler discussion at the end. It did seem like there was some confusion near the end though; when Cheapy brought up the live action webisodes. I think Wombat and Ship thought he was talking about the in-game TV show 'Night Springs'? I hope Ship and Wombat check those live action webisodes out some time because they're pretty cool, and add a bit to the story.

Hope ya guys do more of these in-depth spoiler discussions.

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 10:10 AM

Just finished listening to your spoiler filled Alan Wake convo, and I have to agree with you guys... Definitely one of my games of the year.

And just like Cheapy, the moment the first episode ended, I was grinning from ear to ear. They really did a good job presenting the whole thing.


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Posted 03 June 2010 - 12:31 PM

Great podcast as usual! I'm holding off on listening to the Wake ending, as I have 1 episode to go.

My comments so far:

Rock Star CAN make good characters... my favorite is still CJ from GTA San Andreas.

Cheapy brought up the excellent Austrailian western "The Proposition". Which is directed by John Hillcoat, who also directed the "Red Dead Redemption" short film, and "The Road".
"The Proposition" was written by (and has a cameo by) Nick Cave, whose song "Up Jumped the Devil" was the highlight of the "Alan Wake" soundtrack. Everything is connected...

#17 Clarke

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 12:45 PM

Skip the clip show. Those are super boring. We've already heard the past 200. We don't need to hear them again.

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#18 Sgt Barone

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 01:14 PM

Yay CAGcast!!!

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 02:00 PM

Cheapy please don't mention Australia & or New Zealand as weird. Other then that i enjoy your podcast, hope you make another 200 episodes.

#20 CheapyD

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 02:12 PM

Cheapy please don't mention Australia & or New Zealand as weird. Other then that i enjoy your podcast, hope you make another 200 episodes.

Heh...I hope to make it to Australia soon for a vacation. The time difference is only an hour (I think).

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 02:30 PM

Think positive Wombat. Maybe the Mass Effect mulitplayer will be that awesome orgy/gang rape simulator that Fox news was trying to warn us about. Maybe Cooper Lawrence was psychic.

And instead of calling it the Sony Bowel Movement, I think it should be called the Sony Fuck Stick with sub-controller.
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Posted 03 June 2010 - 02:58 PM

Alan West? Wake up Cheapy, wake up!

Btw Cheapy, Stern loves Sex & the City, you should know something about it. lulz :)
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#23 KillerRamen

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 03:24 PM

I subscribed to the podcast on Zune... Is it official? I've never seen it mentioned anywhere.
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Posted 03 June 2010 - 03:31 PM

Ship.. Alpha Protocol.. really!? You rip a AAA title and gush over a turd. Your review credibility just crashed. RDR is no ME2 but it still is a great game. Did you like GUN when it first came out? I was disappointed. Red Dead isn't perfect but it sets the bar for western games.
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Posted 03 June 2010 - 04:06 PM

Great CagCast this week. One suggestion for iPhone game is a website I go to everyday since I got my iPhone last summer, http://toucharcade.com. Their forum is full of helpful members that review all the new iPhone release games that is often much more helpful than their official reviews. They also let you know of good sales on games so you can get your cheap on =)

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 04:08 PM

Another good show guys. I think the question this week from the listener regarding whether you play games in front of your kids actually goes well with the discussion of the ongoing popularity of Mario platformers. I'm a dad in my mid-30s with a 5 year old and a 2 year old. I play MOST of my games after the kids go to bed for the evening.

However, the Mario games are some of the few that I feel I can not only play in front of them, but with them. My 5 year old was 2 when the original Mario Galaxy came out. If you didn't already know, in Galaxy 1 a second player could control a pointer on screen to grab the little crystals for you, and she loved it. Flash forward to now and she is 5. Galaxy 2 retains the limited 2nd player role but with the added abilities to "hold" enemies in place, to "grab" and hold coins, 1ups, and red power-up mushrooms for me until I need them, and the returning ability to grab crystals. These abilities are perfect for her and we have a great time playing together. If I want to play with my two year old son he can still play Mario Galaxy 1 style by waving the remote around to grab crystals.

Similarly, last year's New Super Mario Bros. Wii also works well with the 5 year old. She can play through the boards with me and simply choose to push A to enter the floating safety bubble and float along behind me in the difficult sections.

Regarding Shipwreck's "too much pointless Talky-Talk" complaint in the Galaxy games, I agree completely. At least in Galaxy 2 they streamlined the level select back to more of the old linear "world map type' instead of the annoying hub you had to run all over in Galaxy 1 to enter the levels. As far as level design and variety, I'm 45 stars in and so far I'm thinking that Galaxy 2's levels have been a step above Galaxy 1.

PS- I agree with the guy above that felt that clip shows were not really worth the time and effort they take to create.

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 04:09 PM

Either you guys were talking all over each other or the audio wasn't synced right in places (around 32 minutes).

I liked the iCarly reference...It a funny show. How close is Gibby to a young Wombat.

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 04:09 PM

Mid-way through the spoiler part of the Alan Wake discussion. Gotta say I definitely agree with Wombat more than Cheapy or Ship at this point. I agreed with Wombat that Wake is definitely better than Resi 5, but definitely not better than 4. Also agreed that the forest setting did start to get a bit tiresome close to the end. Ship is right that the locations are inherently somewhat limited, but I still felt like they could have mixed it up somewhat (fighting in shallow streams, more fighting in non-factory structures, etc). I loved Alan Wake - the gameplay was fun, the atmosphere was great, the literary in-jokes, TV episodes and radio clips were well done - but while the storytelling was done very well, I still don't think the story itself was as great as Cheapy and Ship think it is.

I was actually surprised to hear Cheapy (I think) say earlier that Red Dead Redemption's story felt too game-y one moment, and then praise Alan Wake's a second later. I think both games had great storytelling, but between the two felt Wake's was definitely more game-y in theme and plot progression. I know a lot of it is obfuscated at this point in order to add on to it with future DLC episodes, but certain mechanics and motivations behind some of the forces in the game just constantly reminded me that I was playing a game. I definitely don't consider it any more or less mature in story than RDR.

It's just kind of interesting that I feel like I loved both RDR and Wake as much as Cheapy, but for completely different reasons I guess.

Great show as always. I look forward to hearing the subsequent shows after E3 especially.
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Posted 03 June 2010 - 04:29 PM

Another excellent show guys! On the topic of Hulu coming to Xbox 360/Live rumour, if it is true, I will personally be frustrated. As I live in the UK, we don't get Hulu or Netflix for that matter. In fact, Hulu was going to be launched in the UK and Ireland last September but it never actually has arrived. I'm extremely disappointed, there's not much good video on demand services over here since our Broadband is terrible and what the minimum speed for the UK is under constant discussion with the government (They just recently backed an agreement to get everyone in the UK on a 2 Mpbs connection by 2012). I can't watch my favourite shows because the speeds I get are so terrible.

I live in a new-ish city, on a 2 Mbps connection which is quite unreliable, and majority of the houses use aluminium wiring. This turned out to be a huge mistake as these houses are stuck with incredibly slow broadband speeds or nothing at all. BT (a very large Internet and phone line provider) wants to lay down fibre optics across where I live, which is great, but the trial won't happen until this summer OR late next year. Despite the fact a small fraction of people still don't have basic ADSL speeds of 1 mbps. But it's an even worse case in the country side, companies don't want to provide broadband or fibre optics to these small villages because they don't think it's a good financial investment. One village which I saw on the news installed Fibre optics themselves by setting up a mini phone exchange and now can get speeds of 40mpbs! (Unfortunately, the village had to raise £37,000 themselves just to buy the mini exchange!)

If the UK got Hulu or Netflix in the near future, I wouldn't use it. I'd be more likely buy the DVD/Blu Ray box set or just record it because I won't have to wait an hour for my internet to stream the show.
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#30 collipop

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 05:17 PM

I totally agree with wombat on the Alan wake discussion. I got bored of running through forests and I found the last level very tedious.

I don't know what cheapy thought was so good about the ending. I felt kinda disappointed by it especially knowing that it would have been more complete and satisfying if DLC never existed. I'm not really interested in going to back to the game months after I have finished it, I paid my money and want the game to finish complete.

Don't get me wrong I think the game is good but after shipwrecks and cheapys praise of the game I expected the actual gameplay to be more fun.