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#1 KevinMassacre

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 06:06 PM

So I am starting my 3d-hdtv savings fund. Since I like the idea of 3D but I'm not sure the fad will last or how long it will be supported, hopefully others can post deals and sales on all 3d related items here. So far amazon has this 3D HDTV for preorder under the 1000 dollar mark:

http://www.amazon.co...-1080p-3D-Ready

Even though its not LED, a 60" 3D capable screen for 999.99 seems like a decent "early-adopter" price. I'm using the release date of Killzone 3 to be my goal-date for purchasing a 3D TV. And since sony has confirmed the PS3 will be compatible with 3D blu-ray discs, I'm not worried about having to upgrade to HDMI 1.4 cables and all the other crap.

Anyone else out there have any decent findings?
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Posted 16 June 2010 - 06:54 PM

You can get last years model (WD-60c9) for like $900 or less. It goes on sale at Dell pretty frequently. I got the 73C9 for like $1200.

Either way, you'll need a $100 adapter (Mitsubishi 3DA-1) to get it to (potentially) work with a PS3 completely, or they plan to sell a 3D kit (includes adapter, 2 pairs of glasses, an emitter, and a Disney 3D showcase disk) for $399.

High Speed/Cat 2 HDMI cables (spec 1.3) do pretty much everything you'll need to do right now in regards to the PS3 anyway. There's only a few minor (at the moment) differences between the 1.3 cat 2 cables and 1.4a cables.

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 07:06 PM

If I were you I'd see how your body responds to the shutter glasses before spending a bunch of money on one of the 1st generation sets. Some Best Buys have them on display with Monsters vs. Aliens in 3D.
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Posted 16 June 2010 - 07:14 PM

If I were you I'd see how your body responds to the shutter glasses before spending a bunch of money on one of the 1st generation sets. Some Best Buys have them on display with Monsters vs. Aliens in 3D.

The Mits he listed is really like a 4th Gen Set (as far as 3D goes). ;)

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 07:17 PM

The Mits he listed is really like a 4th Gen Set (as far as 3D goes). ;)


If it still uses shutter glasses, then he should still see how his body reacts. For some people (such as myself) those things are vomit inducing.
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Posted 16 June 2010 - 07:19 PM

If it still uses shutter glasses, then he should still see how his body reacts. For some people (such as myself) those things are vomit inducing.

I agree he should check out the glasses, I was just clarifying that they weren't 1st gen sets.

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 10:47 PM

Pretty sure that you will have to get an hdmi 1.4 to use 3D... I've seen them on ebay for under $10 tho. Wikipedia has a chart comparing all the hdmi cables. It states that you do need hdmi 1.4 for 3D over hdmi. Hdmi 1.3 can handle 3D, but will lower your video quality, according to this article.

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 10:54 PM

Pretty sure that you will have to get an hdmi 1.4 to use 3D... I've seen them on ebay for under $10 tho. Wikipedia has a chart comparing all the hdmi cables. It states that you do need hdmi 1.4 for 3D over hdmi. Hdmi 1.3 can handle 3D, but will lower your video quality, according to this article.


So will the PS3 get HDMI 1.4 with a firmware update or will it have the less than stellar 1.3 1080i 3D?
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Posted 16 June 2010 - 10:55 PM

Pretty sure that you will have to get an hdmi 1.4 to use 3D... I've seen them on ebay for under $10 tho. Wikipedia has a chart comparing all the hdmi cables. It states that you do need hdmi 1.4 for 3D over hdmi. Hdmi 1.3 can handle 3D, but will lower your video quality, according to this article.

There is 0 benefit to using a hdmi 1.4 with a PS3 when it only has a 1.3 chipset. A high speed/cat 2 HDMI cable will work just fine.

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 10:59 PM

So will the PS3 get HDMI 1.4 with a firmware update or will it have the less than stellar 1.3 1080i 3D?

How do you know it's less than stellar?

I mean, you realize most games are natively 720p anyway, right?

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 11:07 PM

How do you know it's less than stellar?


1080p 3D = stellar
1080i 3D = less than stellar

Do the math.

I mean, you realize most games are natively 720p anyway, right?


Do realize, do not care. Games will be the resolution they will be. Blu Ray movies, on the other hand, can do 1080p 3D in HDMI 1.4. Will the PS3 support that?
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Posted 16 June 2010 - 11:08 PM

Even if it doesn't make a difference, I would still get the hdmi 1.4. It would bug me if I didn't.

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 11:13 PM

Also a word of warning, the "3d ready" Mitsubishi DLPs are not compatible with the way 3D is handled with PS3. They apparently use what is called a "checkerbox" style to display the images (and yes, use the shutter glasses) whereas the PS3 is not compatible with checkerbox. Some games, such as Avatar or that PSN karate game (forget the name) allow a checkerbox setting from a menu, but that is on the developer, not officially by Sony. Supposedly an adapter is being made, but even then, that's just more cost on top of the ridiculous price of the signal emitter and shutter glasses (didn't look much into this though, so I don't know specifics)

Just found this out last night, and am pissed as I have a 65" "3d ready" Mits. I was hoping to play 3D PS3 games on. Fuck!
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#14 JetTone

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Posted 17 June 2010 - 12:11 AM

All this 3D stuff is confusing, it's like 2001 all over again with 480p, 720p and 1080i and what is HD and what the p vs i meant.

#15 KevinMassacre

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Posted 17 June 2010 - 07:52 AM

I dont plan on making a purchase until after the 2010 holiday season. I think these tv's will drop drastically in price. The average mainstream consumer that has upgraded from a tube tv to an HDTV over the last couple years will not be making another investment anytime soon. Most people just won't care. Plus with companies like vizio and lg making 3d sets that are getting good reviews combined with the fact that the technology will ultimately become cheaper to manufacture, the top tier companies will lower their prices.
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Posted 17 June 2010 - 07:58 AM

I hope you realize that the difference between 1080p and 1080i is pretty much negligible unless you have a tv that is 70 inches

1080p 3D = stellar
1080i 3D = less than stellar

Do the math.



Do realize, do not care. Games will be the resolution they will be. Blu Ray movies, on the other hand, can do 1080p 3D in HDMI 1.4. Will the PS3 support that?


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Posted 17 June 2010 - 10:37 AM

I hope you realize that the difference between 1080p and 1080i is pretty much negligible unless you have a tv that is 70 inches


Progressive being better than interlaced at any size? Say it isn't so.
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Posted 17 June 2010 - 11:16 AM

I guess now that Nintendo has put out 3D without glasses, I'm waiting to see if they can do it on full size TVs before I get all excited. I checked out the Monsters vs Aliens 3D at Best Buy and thought it was cool, but I wasn't quite sold yet.
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Posted 17 June 2010 - 12:42 PM

I guess now that Nintendo has put out 3D without glasses, I'm waiting to see if they can do it on full size TVs before I get all excited. I checked out the Monsters vs Aliens 3D at Best Buy and thought it was cool, but I wasn't quite sold yet.


Its possible, the tech used by the 3DS is actually nothing new. The caveat is that it creates a limited focal point. WIth glasses, your eyes create the focal point allowing you to move around and still get the same effect, but with the screen doing the work of the glasses, there is only one focal point and it has a limited size. I imagine the DS can get away with that because users are all roughly the same distance from the screen, for a home theater it would mean you could have one chair seeing proper 3D while everyone else gets varying degrees, with some getting no effect at all (note in 3DS impressions how users are saying that if you view the 3DS off center, the effect goes away).

Personally, I am looking into 3D sets since I am upgrading my television in two months regardless. As it stands I may wait a bit. I do think that the stuff shown for PS3 has been a far more convincing argument for going 3D than any movie I have seen.

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Posted 17 June 2010 - 03:57 PM

I'm sure my wife is tired of me complaining about this topic to her, so i'm happy to have another outlet to vent!

I've got a 61in Samsung DLP that was purchased about 2 years ago primarily for 3D gaming. The set is lovely. Unfortunately, since my purchase the technology the system uses has been retroactively been downgraded from "3D ready" to some other term I can't remember that's the 3D equivelant of "Cheese Product". Basically, I can display some 3D images if I hook up a PC to my TV, but it's not compatible with anything else. The emmiter and the glasses are no longer sold by Samsung.

Supposedly I can buy the mitsubishi adaptor for it, and then it will work with the current technology, but I haven't seen anything that verifies that this actually works- so i don't want to invest. It's only 120hz- so it may look like crap.

So now I'm kind of stuff. I can't exactly trick my wife into letting me buy a new set at these prices and what would I do with the old one? I can't exactly move it into one of the other rooms in the house like I used to do with my replaced tvs, and I surely couldn't get any money selling it on craigslist.

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Posted 17 June 2010 - 05:28 PM

I'm sure my wife is tired of me complaining about this topic to her, so i'm happy to have another outlet to vent!

I've got a 61in Samsung DLP that was purchased about 2 years ago primarily for 3D gaming. The set is lovely. Unfortunately, since my purchase the technology the system uses has been retroactively been downgraded from "3D ready" to some other term I can't remember that's the 3D equivelant of "Cheese Product". Basically, I can display some 3D images if I hook up a PC to my TV, but it's not compatible with anything else. The emmiter and the glasses are no longer sold by Samsung.

Supposedly I can buy the mitsubishi adaptor for it, and then it will work with the current technology, but I haven't seen anything that verifies that this actually works- so i don't want to invest. It's only 120hz- so it may look like crap.

So now I'm kind of stuff. I can't exactly trick my wife into letting me buy a new set at these prices and what would I do with the old one? I can't exactly move it into one of the other rooms in the house like I used to do with my replaced tvs, and I surely couldn't get any money selling it on craigslist.

I have the Samsung 61a750 (I think that is what you have too, since you said 2 years) and there are potentially a couple alternatives.

For 3D blu ray movies (if you care about them), the Panasonic DMP-BDT300 or 350 output in checkerboard and are immediately compatible with your set. Like buy today, works today. It also has a 2nd HDMI out so you can still get HD audio to a v1.3 AVR (which the PS3 can't do if it's connected straight to a TV).

You don't need Samsung glasses, you can get Xpand x102's ($129) and they work right out of the box, no set up required really. They use no emitter. http://www.xpandcine...sses/X102-home/

As far as TV and Gaming go, the Mitsubishi adapter may work. If it does work, it will only work with a Gefen HDMI Detective who has a Mitsubishi EDID programmed into it. There are people over at the AVS forums who are going to try this and see if it will work. I can keep you posted if you want, so that you don't have to waste your money investing and potentially having it not work.

If you do have the 61a750, even if you can't do 3D it still is an amazing TV with a really great picture. You could just use it for a number of years and wait for the tech to improve and come down in cost.

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 02:31 AM

I have the Samsung 61a750 (I think that is what you have too, since you said 2 years) and there are potentially a couple alternatives.

For 3D blu ray movies (if you care about them), the Panasonic DMP-BDT300 or 350 output in checkerboard and are immediately compatible with your set. Like buy today, works today. It also has a 2nd HDMI out so you can still get HD audio to a v1.3 AVR (which the PS3 can't do if it's connected straight to a TV).

You don't need Samsung glasses, you can get Xpand x102's ($129) and they work right out of the box, no set up required really. They use no emitter. http://www.xpandcine...sses/X102-home/

As far as TV and Gaming go, the Mitsubishi adapter may work. If it does work, it will only work with a Gefen HDMI Detective who has a Mitsubishi EDID programmed into it. There are people over at the AVS forums who are going to try this and see if it will work. I can keep you posted if you want, so that you don't have to waste your money investing and potentially having it not work.

If you do have the 61a750, even if you can't do 3D it still is an amazing TV with a really great picture. You could just use it for a number of years and wait for the tech to improve and come down in cost.

Yep- that's me. I love the set. Haven't had any problems with it, and the quality is great. Do they even have a release date for the mitsu adapter?

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 02:46 AM

Mitsubishi DLP's kick ass. I bought one 3 or so years ago when they were a high end item. In any case, I will warn you a few things about DLP's.... A side for the lack of 3d on my TV it does have latest DLP reflective chip so picture quality should be roughly the same.

1. You need to buy a new bulb every year or two. They do last longer than that, but if you want the best picture possible you should change it before it burns out. Bulbs are only 100 bucks or so. I will say once you pop in a new bulb it's like you have a brand new TV.

2. Sometimes the color wheel goes bad which is a big ticket repair...but this is rare.

3. DLP's make a minor fan noise when running...It's a lot quieter than a PS3 (even the slim) but it's noticeable if you're listening to the TV really low (which is rare).

4. Black levels on DLP's are just fucked up. Theirs nothing you can do about that. If you're playing a dark game like dead space the blacks are just too black and you can't see jack (even if the game is set to it's brightest settings). Now you will ask why don't you just higher the TV's bright settings...well this just washes out the picture with white. It makes the image look washed out and it doesn't let you see anything that was too dark to begin with. I will also say black levels are fine if you have a brand new bulb in...but after a few months of TV watching that sucker gets dark again for gaming.

5. What DLP's lack in terms of funky black levels for gaming (mostly this gen) they make up for in their excellent Blueray playback. Seriously Avatar just looks amazing on my TV...better than any LCD or Plasma in the 65 inch size range.

6. DLP's have excellent Power wattage to screen size ratios and the best price per inch of TV on the market. From what I've seen they're actually the most Greenest TV's to own if you own a big screen.

This last bit is my opinion...but I personally love my DLP just not for gaming. For general HDTV watching it's just amazing but for gaming it's just too dark. If I were to buy a TV for gaming or 3D gaming then I'd buy LCD. However LCDs with 3D are down right expensive now and 3D effects look kind of weak sauce on anything smaller than 50 inches. Thats kind of why I still like DLPs.

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 12:37 PM

Mitsubishi DLP's kick ass. I bought one 3 or so years ago when they were a high end item. In any case, I will warn you a few things about DLP's.... A side for the lack of 3d on my TV it does have latest DLP reflective chip so picture quality should be roughly the same.

1. You need to buy a new bulb every year or two. They do last longer than that, but if you want the best picture possible you should change it before it burns out. Bulbs are only 100 bucks or so. I will say once you pop in a new bulb it's like you have a brand new TV.

2. Sometimes the color wheel goes bad which is a big ticket repair...but this is rare.

3. DLP's make a minor fan noise when running...It's a lot quieter than a PS3 (even the slim) but it's noticeable if you're listening to the TV really low (which is rare).

4. Black levels on DLP's are just fucked up. Theirs nothing you can do about that. If you're playing a dark game like dead space the blacks are just too black and you can't see jack (even if the game is set to it's brightest settings). Now you will ask why don't you just higher the TV's bright settings...well this just washes out the picture with white. It makes the image look washed out and it doesn't let you see anything that was too dark to begin with. I will also say black levels are fine if you have a brand new bulb in...but after a few months of TV watching that sucker gets dark again for gaming.

5. What DLP's lack in terms of funky black levels for gaming (mostly this gen) they make up for in their excellent Blueray playback. Seriously Avatar just looks amazing on my TV...better than any LCD or Plasma in the 65 inch size range.

6. DLP's have excellent Power wattage to screen size ratios and the best price per inch of TV on the market. From what I've seen they're actually the most Greenest TV's to own if you own a big screen.

This last bit is my opinion...but I personally love my DLP just not for gaming. For general HDTV watching it's just amazing but for gaming it's just too dark. If I were to buy a TV for gaming or 3D gaming then I'd buy LCD. However LCDs with 3D are down right expensive now and 3D effects look kind of weak sauce on anything smaller than 50 inches. Thats kind of why I still like DLPs.

1. Not all DLPs use a bulb, the LaserVue from Mitsubishi and the 750 line from Samsung (2008 model) didn't. ;)

2. If you get a new set, Texas Tape Works offers 3 year extended warranties for like $150 or so. I think their warranty takes effect after the Manufacturer warranty ends too. But that could help put your mind at ease about bigger ticket repairs. But yes, the color wheel can be expensive to replace should you need to (it's not common as you noted).

3. Yes, I agree. It's very minor noise IMO but it is not silent.

4. I don't have any problem with black levels (granted I try and calibrate my set), and really DLPs are only behind Plasmas as far as black levels go. Also I've not used my Mits for very long (2 months or so) so it may indeed get worse over time, but as of now I have no issues. The Samsung 61a750 doesn't use a bulb and has simply an amazing picture all around (IMO).

5. Agree. Movies are stunning.

6. Yes. People are often surprised at how light they are given the size as well.

I personally love my DLP's all around, however if I could get a Plasma for a similar price at the same size I would get that. Plasma display's are all I would trade a DLP for (actually I'd probably pick a LaserVue over a plasma, but not at the current cost :lol: ). Also, DLPs in the store will not likely look anywhere near what they do in your home. People often complain about the PQ in the store, but it's significantly better in your house.

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 12:53 PM

So has anyone actually played a game in 3D and if so, what were your impressions?
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Posted 18 June 2010 - 01:19 PM

So has anyone actually played a game in 3D and if so, what were your impressions?

I've only played Avatar and Invincible Tiger, but I though Avatar looked really great.

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 03:18 PM

Anyone see that stereoscopic 3DS video on Kotaku today? It worked really well, I wish someone would release some official ones.

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 04:05 PM

Wait, so will the black level on a current gen, 3D ready DLP tv, be better or worse than a local dimming LED?

Dead Space was mentioned and I didnt have any trouble with that on a four year old LCD. Albeit I had to turn the brightness up a bit, but the contrast level was sufficient to allow me to make out details in the picture.

I am buying a new TV in two months regardless and I was planning on going with a sub-50" LED, but then I saw the Sony E3 presentation and I am starting to think 3D or at least 3D ready. Im hoping to spend around $1000, initially, but wouldnt mind paying the extra $300 or so in a year or two to take advantage of the 3D capabilities. Is there any such thing as a 3D ready LCD/LED/Plasma, where I can add a converter, or what have you, in the future?

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 05:26 PM

Wait, so will the black level on a current gen, 3D ready DLP tv, be better or worse than a local dimming LED?

Dead Space was mentioned and I didnt have any trouble with that on a four year old LCD. Albeit I had to turn the brightness up a bit, but the contrast level was sufficient to allow me to make out details in the picture.

I am buying a new TV in two months regardless and I was planning on going with a sub-50" LED, but then I saw the Sony E3 presentation and I am starting to think 3D or at least 3D ready. Im hoping to spend around $1000, initially, but wouldnt mind paying the extra $300 or so in a year or two to take advantage of the 3D capabilities. Is there any such thing as a 3D ready LCD/LED/Plasma, where I can add a converter, or what have you, in the future?


Samsung had some 3D ready sets that weren't DLPs, but I'm not sure if anyone else did. You could try google or the AVSforums. And mean it really seems like only Mitsubishi is supporting their "3D" tvs that were released prior to this year with any sort of adapter/converter.

And I think that the black levels on a DLP should be better than an LED tv, but that once again may be a question better posed over at AVS.

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 06:08 PM

I played Dead Space both on PS3 (demo) and on PC (full game) on my Mits. DLP, and had zero issues. Dark and scary, but not impossible to see. Now, I played with all the lights out, so that may help, but I've never noticed any isseus with dark levels and I've had mine for 1.5 years. (granted, some of the areas in Fallout 3 were hella hard to see in, but they were like that on my buddies LCD too, so I think it's intentional poor lighting, not poor black levels)
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