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#1 IRHari

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 02:32 PM

Wherein we chronicle Obama's hatred, domestic terrorism, racism, and other everyday actions.

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration's Justice Department has asserted that the FBI can obtain telephone records of international calls made from the U.S. without any formal legal process or court oversight, according to a document obtained by McClatchy.
That assertion was revealed — perhaps inadvertently — by the department in its response to a McClatchy request for a copy of a secret Justice Department memo.

http://www.mcclatchy...get-phone.html#

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#2 UncleBob

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 03:54 PM

Let's all pretend that we're shocked.
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#3 depascal22

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 07:37 PM

No President is ever going to give up power voluntarily.

#4 mykevermin

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 04:04 AM

He's still a liberal socialist-marxist-muslim-communist, right?

That's all I want to know.
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#5 Clak

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 04:06 AM

You forgot Kenyan.
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#6 IRHari

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 09:25 AM

You guys suck at this.
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#7 dopa345

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 02:52 AM

He's going to screw over those with student loans which likely will affect many of you here. This will have a marked effect on health care indirectly as the resulting higher cost of medical school tuition will directly affect the supply of physicians particularly in primary care.

For those who don't want to listen through the whole video, basically the proposed budget will have student loan interest to start accruing immediately rather than being delayed until graduation. Student loan debt is the next major financial crisis looming and this will only worsen the problem.

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 11:23 AM

He's going to screw over those with student loans which likely will affect many of you here. This will have a marked effect on health care indirectly as the resulting higher cost of medical school tuition will directly affect the supply of physicians particularly in primary care.


"you have to pay interest beginning on day one of grad school, and that makes it so that you can't go to grad school.."


Interest collecting on Federal Student Loans is not a show-stopper on getting a college education. I personally have about $15k in FSLs, and over $100k in private loans for my undergrad education (because in reality, FSLs only cover so much, the rest is Pell grants and private loans).

Interest collecting on that extra $15k means nothing relatively, and anyone who thinks it would have prevented my attending college is over-dramatizing the change.

The reality is still the same as it always has been: Most students need outside aid to pay for college, and those students need to have the foresight to make one informed decision..."Is the degree I'm getting capable of paying back the loans I take?".

If they can't responsibly answer that question, they probably shouldn't be in college in the first place. It's a very simple math question.

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#9 mykevermin

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 12:53 PM

I'm willing to do my part to maintain tax cuts for the wealthiest.

Seriously, though, that's a horrible, horrible idea. I don't understand the logic behind that at all.
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#10 Msut77

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 02:45 PM

Way to keep pissing off your key demographic. We are so fucked.

#11 mykevermin

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 03:12 PM

Way to keep pissing off your key demographic. We are so fucked.


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#12 Clak

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 03:53 PM

Keep in mind it did say graduate school, so I'm assuming that won't effect those in undergrad? Still a really shitty move, even more so that they basically threaten that pell grant awards could be lowered otherwise. As if it's a game of who they're gonna screw.
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#13 mykevermin

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 03:57 PM

That's going to devalue the wages of people in medicine - who already tend to despise Obama. Either doctors will earn less (because more of their earnings will have to go to repaying loans), or wages for physicians will increase. Seems like an indirect way of fucking up his own health care bills.

Also, that's going to turn all but a few PhDs into indentured servants for the remainder of their lives. Or, alternately, spurn salary increases for faculty (yeah right) that will be passed onto students in the form of tuition hikes.
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#14 Clak

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 04:04 PM

Seriously, what is it with the cuts to everything that democrats are supposed to hold dear? Why are we still funding two wars when we're cutting back on things here which will hurt our own citizens?
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#15 dopa345

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 04:09 PM

Wow, myke and I agree on something. This is a historic moment ;) .

#16 mykevermin

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 04:10 PM

I'd say beers all around, but I'm busy today.
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#17 seanr1221

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 04:48 PM

Terrible idea...so glad I only have 16 weeks left of grad school.

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#18 speedracer

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 05:06 PM

I don't see a problem. I can see the case made for undergrad subsidies, but at that point shouldn't you really be on your own as far as education/career path? Ok, it hurts doctors. And lawyers. And basically everyone we're talking about here is top 25% in income in America.

In the interests of full hypocrisy disclosure, I currently service graduate school subsidized debt.
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#19 mykevermin

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 05:21 PM

First and foremost, it contradicts Obama's blithe quote during the SOTU that students shouldn't go bankrupt trying to go to college.

I have a mortgage's worth of debt in my higher ed degrees, and I make a small pinch below the median in income. Getting into higher ed is already a bit of a 'service' job (i.e., you ain't doin' it for the income); this will exacerbate that problem substantially.

postgrad degrees ≠ 6 figure salary. Or even high 5's, necessarily.
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#20 speedracer

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 05:42 PM

First and foremost, it contradicts Obama's blithe quote during the SOTU that students shouldn't go bankrupt trying to go to college.

Totally. In a world full of things to cut, it's absurd to cut here. I agree.

I have a mortgage's worth of debt in my higher ed degrees, and I make a small pinch below the median in income. Getting into higher ed is already a bit of a 'service' job (i.e., you ain't doin' it for the income); this will exacerbate that problem substantially.

postgrad degrees ≠ 6 figure salary. Or even high 5's, necessarily.

I'm sympathetic, I really am. And I agree to a large extent. I'm certainly not willing to do pitched battle over it. I'm just saying that at the macro level, how much sense does it make to incentivize graduates and doctorates when the income/debt ratio is so outrageous even without subsidies? Does the world need a Ph.D in *insert soft science here*? Of course. Does it need XX,000* per year? Hellz no. A very statistically significant amount of them will not get a job that pays anywhere near what it costs to cover their education. Why incentivize that? Isn't there a better way to target higher education needs?

Framed against the tax cut, this is a stupid, stupid, STUPID point I'm making. I'm just sayin, in a vacuum.

*assumption, I couldn't find a number
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#21 Clak

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 05:48 PM

Well to be fair when I think of college I think of undergrad, I think most people probably do. That isn't to say it's fair by any means, but it's not making it any harder (than it already is) for anyone to get their undergrad degree. Unless schools have to raise salaries to compensate faculty. Still, you're right about med/law school tuition.
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Posted 14 February 2011 - 06:09 PM

He's going to screw over those with student loans which likely will affect many of you here. This will have a marked effect on health care indirectly as the resulting higher cost of medical school tuition will directly affect the supply of physicians particularly in primary care.

For those who don't want to listen through the whole video, basically the proposed budget will have student loan interest to start accruing immediately rather than being delayed until graduation. Student loan debt is the next major financial crisis looming and this will only worsen the problem.


As an undergrad who just got a statement from the government, I can say that my loans are already accumulating interest. The only loans I have are federal student loans, and I only have $5,500 worth, but my latest bill says that my interest has bumped that up to about $5,663.

#23 camoor

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 06:25 PM

I'd get angry over this, but it's not like they were doing alot in this arena to start with.

At this point I honestly don't see how much more the gov't could Fuck up the situation (However I'm confident they'll find a way)

#24 IRHari

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 10:49 PM

It pisses me off that what the beltway media considers 'serious' nowadays is deficit spending. Anyone who prioritizes the economy over the deficit is laughed at.

What's brilliant is tying the deficit directly to the economy claiming it is breeding 'uncertainty'.

I guess this is Obama moving to the 'center', by cutting programs for middle class people and giving tax breaks to upper class people.

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#25 Msut77

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 11:32 PM

It pisses me off that what the beltway media considers 'serious' nowadays is deficit spending. Anyone who prioritizes the economy over the deficit is laughed at.

What's brilliant is tying the deficit directly to the economy claiming it is breeding 'uncertainty'.

I guess this is Obama moving to the 'center', by cutting programs for middle class people and giving tax breaks to upper class people.

Stay classy...


There has to be sacrifice and tough choices made is what they say, but the Media lickspittles and the upper classes have no intention whatsoever of being the ones who sacrifice.

#26 dopa345

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 12:23 AM

It also looks like his budget proposes to cut funding to medical care to children.

For a president who supposedly wants to make health care reform his legacy, he sure is doing a lot to sabotage it.

Edited by dopa345, 15 February 2011 - 03:25 AM.


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Posted 15 February 2011 - 01:51 AM

Seriously, what is it with the cuts to everything that democrats are supposed to hold dear? Why are we still funding two wars when we're cutting back on things here which will hurt our own citizens?

But then defense contractors would lose business. And we can't have that, now can we?

We can't we ever have a good president? One that actually cares about the people. Now
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#28 speedracer

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 01:52 PM

It also looks like his budget proposes to cut funding to medical care to children.

For a president who supposedly wants to make health care reform his legacy, he sure is doing a lot to sabotage it.

Subsidize us or the children get it.
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#29 dohdough

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 06:51 PM

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#30 chiwii

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Posted 16 February 2011 - 05:07 AM

That's going to devalue the wages of people in medicine - who already tend to despise Obama. Either doctors will earn less (because more of their earnings will have to go to repaying loans), or wages for physicians will increase. Seems like an indirect way of fucking up his own health care bills.

Also, that's going to turn all but a few PhDs into indentured servants for the remainder of their lives. Or, alternately, spurn salary increases for faculty (yeah right) that will be passed onto students in the form of tuition hikes.


I just checked the Stafford Loans website, and the maximum amount for subsidized Stafford Loans for graduate students is $8,500 per year. Also, not all students are even eligible for the subsidized loans.

When compared to their massive private loans, I don't think that the interest accrual on $8,500/year while in medical school is going to make much of a difference for a doctor. Same situation for lawyers (although I'm not sure that the American people want to be subsidizing interest for future lawyers anyway - LOL.)

I'm not saying that I like this plan - I think that there are many better options for budget cuts. But, I really don't think that this is a big deal.

Edited by chiwii, 16 February 2011 - 05:35 AM.