What ever happened to all the anti-war people?
Posted 11 March 2011 - 05:00 AM
Posted 11 March 2011 - 05:09 AM
Obama was elected, and DailyKos, etc turned their attention elsewhere when he continued Bush's foreign policy. Most of them weren't really opponents of the foreign policy; simply opponents of a Republican president. Flip the script and you have the answer for the Republican party's newfound libertarian rhetoric (for a laugh, Bush's 2000 campaign was centered around a humble foreign policy, one in which we didn't police the world and dictate virtue).
There are very few Glenn Greenwalds out in the wild.
Posted 11 March 2011 - 05:10 AM
you are a pillar of the video game/gaming community.
Posted 11 March 2011 - 05:15 AM
People just realized war is good for everyone.
Posted 11 March 2011 - 05:17 AM
(for a laugh, Bush's 2000 campaign was centered around a humble foreign policy, one in which we didn't police the world and dictate virtue).
While I disagree with the actions taken, to be absolutely fair, USA in 2000 was a completely different mindset than USA in 2002. Americans were out for blood and if Bush hadn't went into Afghanistan, he probably would have been dragged out of office and replaced if someone who would (at least any effort that could be made towards that effect).
But yeah, I believe The Daily Show had a great clip during the 2004 election cycle of "Candidate Bush" vs. "President Bush", taking clips of him in the run-up to the 2000 election and pitting them against clips of him from 2003-2004. And yet, somehow, he still got re-elected.
Posted 11 March 2011 - 07:46 AM
But yeah they were the principled ones. Most rank and file Democrats kind of stopped criticizing the war once their jesus escalated it.
Posted 11 March 2011 - 03:47 PM
“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” -Mark Twain
“When a great genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign; that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." -Jonathon Swift
Posted 11 March 2011 - 04:05 PM
I mean, hell. I'd at least take democrats seriously if they argued for cutting our empire by 75% and using that seven hundred and fifty billion dollars per year to stimulate the economy to their heart's desire for the next few years. That would at least be partially fiscally responsible. Or proposed ending the War On Drugs, PATRIOT Act, Military Commissions, Gitmo, DHS... hell, any of those would do. They're as worthless as republicans.
Posted 11 March 2011 - 04:37 PM
Gentleman's League Record:
Season 1: 7-9 Missed Playoffs
Season 2: 18-1 Superbowl Champs
Posted 11 March 2011 - 04:42 PM
There was an anti-war rally around here just the other day I think. Since 2008 its just been crisis after crisis after world shaking event after clusterfuck of some sort. Aside from the two wars, the period between 9/11 and the beginnings of the 2nd Republican Great Depression were vastly less crazy than what we've seen since.
Edited by Dr Mario Kart, 11 March 2011 - 05:11 PM.
Posted 12 March 2011 - 04:30 AM
Let me fix that for you: in short:
Military and civilian casualties in Iraq declined *substantially* from 2009 on.
Obama increased military activity in Afghanistan. That was some I've always been fine with, even going back to the first second Bush administration (christ that's difficult to phrase). being in afghanistan made sense. iraq was the bumblefuck neocon waste of money unrelated to what happened to us in 2001.
Obama made plans to begin drawdowns in Iraq.
Throughout 2008 and going into 2009, the wars in the middle east lost political relevance for all parties, as the sagging economy became (and remains) the primary issue of prominence.
That's where we went. We get disappointed from time to time, like when Obama decided to resume unconstitutional, secretive, and corrupt military tribunal trials at Guantanamo Bay, like when he gave us a half-assed Republican-rooted health care reform bill, like when he gave the rich their tax cuts without putting up much of a fight.
We're still here, waiting for a genuine progressive politician. A Bernie Sanders kind of character. The kind of politician people on the right can call a "socialist" without looking like they're out of their mind idiotic. Someone who breaks the mold of politicians who serve the oligarch party and the oligarch lire party. We're sitting back, well aware we're headed for a depression, due to a combination of a public of blithering idiots and a gilded class of people who fucked the country financially, suffered no penalty, and are in a prime position to it up further.
Yeah, they say two thousand zero zero party over
Oops out of time
So tonight I'm gonna party like it's 1937.
Posted 12 March 2011 - 04:36 AM
A Bernie Sanders kind of character. The kind of politician people on the right can call a "socialist" without looking like they're out of their mind idiotic.
...so, you mean, someone who considers themselves a socialist?
Posted 12 March 2011 - 04:38 AM