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#1 dv8mad

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Posted 25 May 2011 - 03:47 PM

*QUICK FAQ*

 

Q. The lowball listings are messy. How can we keep them organized?

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Q. Thinking about having a lowball. Is anyone interested?
A.

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Q. How can I get people more interested in my lowball?
A.
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Q. I have a PS3 system I want to sell in a lowball, but I want to start it at $100. Is that OK?
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Q. What if my $40 game sells for only $5 though?
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Q. What if CAG was messing up at the end of the sale?

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Shill bidding (bidding your items up yourself or having others do it for you with no intention of winning) will NOT be tolerated in lowball auctions.
Please note that mods can and do check to ensure that this practice does not happen in lowball auctions. If it is found that you have attempted to increase your lowball total through unsavory methods of any kind, you will be contacted by a moderator and you should expect the situation to be handled in an appropriate manner.
Once again, while making some money in a lowball is great, the original purpose was to do a couple other things as well; clear some space and give some good deals to fellow CAGs.
If you do not agree with this and are solely in it for the money, please take your items to another venue.




As with all things in the CAG Trading Forums, you participate at your own risk.

The guidelines below should assist in helping both buyers and sellers have a safer time when hosting or participating in lowball auctions.

Just as bidders are held accountable for their respective bids, the following rules will also help to ensure that sellers are held accountable for the products that they offer in the manner agreed upon in the lowball rules.

Also, in order to create a bit more consistency in the operation of lowballs, the rules below should be followed when organizing your lowball and be adhered to throughout the process.

The following are REQUIRED to conduct a lowball.
#1 - The first line of your lowball will consist of the following information; Start Date, End date (see time notes below), Payment methods accepted
#2 - A minimal starting price (up to $1) per item or group of items sold as one.
#3 - Once your lowball has begun, don't remove items and do not end items earlier than stated.
#4 - Make it simple for all CAGs! The recommended method is to post that the auction has ended and count all preceeding posts rather than posting a specific time as even the seconds in which a post was made as well as forum post order are sometimes questioned at the end.

#5 - Have clear shipping amounts posted.
#6 - Lowball sales are CAG exclusive. If you want to advertise your sale on a different site, that's fine, but no GTZ, NA, "friends" or other bidders. If they want to bid, they can register an account on CAG.
#7 - All bids must appear in the CAG thread for all to see. No emails or PM bids may be accepted.



The following are RECOMMENDED for a successful sale, but not required.
#1 - A minimum of 15 positive feedback on CAG is recommended, both for the seller to be more trusted and to receive a fair amount of bids, as well as for the participants to feel a certain degree of comfort in dealing with an experienced trader.
#2 - If everything on your page is not included in the auction be EXTREMELY CLEAR about what is not included, big lines and text should do the trick.
#3 - Offer some type of "protection" for CAGs at a certain feedback level, for example, "will ship first to CAGs with over 100 positives at 100%." or "will accept 50% payment before shipping for CAGs with at least 50 positive feedback at 100%."



Information for sellers:
Please plan your auction ahead. Your end time is a verbal contract with your bidders and is not flexible. Please ensure that you will be ready and able to end your auction within the window specified in your lowball rules.
Items up for auction should be visually verified before being added to your listing (pictures of the actual product are highly recommended!) as sellers will be held responsible for ensuring that their list is accurate and all items are delivered as promised upon completion of the lowball. This means listed items may not be removed from the lowball once it is underway.
If payment is required by a certain date, be clear about that in your listed payment guidelines. Otherwise, something general such as,

 

I would like to receive payment within 10 days of lowball end, but other arrangements may be made if you contact me before bidding.

is also acceptable.
Appropriate feedback may be left by your buyers for actions outside the rules.

Information for bidders:
By placing a bid in a seller's lowball, you are stating that you agree with all of their terms and conditions and will provide payment in a timely manner for the goods won in the end. The item pictured will be the item you get unless otherwise stated by the seller. If the item description didn't happen to say "sticker on case" but it was visible in the picture, the seller will not be held responsible.
Please check the sellers payment requirements before bidding and contact the seller before placing any questionable bids if you need some assistance.
Appropriate feedback may be left by your sellers for actions outside the rules.

General Etiquette:
Sellers are still limited to three bumps per day. Questions should be answered via PM when it is not something applicable to the group as a whole, i.e. your personal payment questions.
Product questions may be answered within the thread and will not be counted as a bump.
A post stating that updates have been made is considered a bump and sellers will be strictly held to their three bump limit.
As in the standard Trading Forum guidelines, warnings will be given and mods may choose to take further action for infractions.

Bidders should not post anything non-lowball related. Questions about products listed are, of course, acceptable. Excessive conversation, joke posts, or other forms of comment spam will be dealt with by the moderators on a case-by-case basis.
It is also not acceptable to post "better deals" or advertise your own items in another sellers lowball.
Remember, the lowball thread is for lowball information that pertains directly to the sale and/or condition of the items and that is all.
Pending lowball threads do not need bumps. Completed lowball threads do not need bumps. Lowball threads in general do not need bumps aside from the three alloted to the owner. If you would like to bump a thread, you can place a valid bid.


In the case of both buyers and sellers, what is considered to be excessive posting will be evaluated by the moderators and their word is final.


General Lowball Rules Format (may be used and edited as necessary):

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#2 conkwe

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 04:55 PM

I was hoping for a lowball sub-forum. Thanks for this.

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 12:33 AM

Updated the OP with a very important notice.

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 08:03 PM

Quick question (and my apologies if this is not the correct place for a question).

Can I have a lowball thread in this forum in addition to my trade list thread? Prior to this new sub-forum, I just converted my trade list into a lowball thread. It would be great if you could have a lowball thread in this sub-forum while maintaining your trade list in the other.

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#5 jacknicklson

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 09:25 PM

Yes you can

#6 dv8mad

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 11:36 PM

Yes you can

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 01:24 PM

do the same rules as in the game trading forum apply when using paypal. is the seller allowed to make the purchaser pay the paypal fee ? I usually pay the fee, but I was just wondering. im starting to not enjoy paying the paypal fee because every time I do, the seller doesn't leave me positive feedback for weeks, and I usually pay instantly after i personally find out i won a lowball or completed a deal/trade with someone.

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#8 dv8mad

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Posted 11 July 2011 - 10:19 AM

do the same rules as in the game trading forum apply when using paypal. is the seller allowed to make the purchaser pay the paypal fee ? I usually pay the fee, but I was just wondering. im starting to not enjoy paying the paypal fee because every time I do, the seller doesn't leave me positive feedback for weeks, and I usually pay instantly after i personally find out i won a lowball or completed a deal/trade with someone.

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The same rules apply throughout CAG. Paypal fees can be covered by the buyer if they so choose, but they cannot be forced to cover the fees.
Sellers that would like to avoid fees, have the option of using Amazon Payments which I would highly recommend.

#9 ultrapimp

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 12:03 PM

yeah every single thing ive ever bought on cag, and every single lowball the seller always tells me that I MUST pay the paypal fees. also im tired of sellers not leaving me feedback when i pay for my purchases. i have a neg feedback because the seller who sold me something sold me broken stuff and gave me neg feedback for giving him neg feedback, even though i tried everything i could to get him to make good on it. ive had someone from the group lowball tell me that they only leave feedback after they receive feedback for the items i purchased...i dont know how that even makes sense. if I did everything that my side of the arrangement requires then i should receive feedback in a timely manner in correspondence to how quickly i pay for my items. /sigh at anyrate, I always pay the paypal fee regardless just because im a nice person. but im sick of buying things and not receiving any feedback, or getting ripped off and then being afraid of leaving honest feedback because i dont want to further ruin my feedback just because someone ripped me off.
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#10 jacknicklson

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 12:05 PM

Some people are just assholes

I have never requested fees in my lowballs, always provided feedback first, and never left a negative for unpaid buyers even if they deserve it.

It sucks man, but you just gotta weed out the douches. I've strayed away from the majority because of tactics such as you mentioned because I've seen it in the past
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Posted 21 July 2011 - 09:22 PM

I'm seeing a few threads where people are advertising their lowball on other sites here on cag and saying you have to go over there and register to participate. This seems to be in violation of the rules?
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#12 dv8mad

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 12:15 AM

Lowballs should take place solely on CAG for multiple reasons.
~ It's supposed to be a benefit for our trading community
~ Everyone can see proof of bids in one place
~ If there are any questions of shill bidding or other issues, these claims can be easily investigated as they take place on one site.

I would also recommend that bidders refrain from participating in multi-site lowballs for the exact same reasons. If something strange occurs, you are not quite as safe as you are if it were to take place solely on CAG.

#13 ultrapimp

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 04:41 PM

if these sellers want me to give them feedback before me the buyer receives their review then how does cag retain its sellers marketplace feedback if i cant give a true comment for fear a seller who does the wrong thing will destroy my feedback
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#14 jacknicklson

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 05:11 PM

Seller should leave the feedback first imo. There is no reason for a seller to wait to leave feedback especially if there were no issues.

I think I know who you are referring to and I've seen some of his thread titles and they are just flat out rude. I would never bid on someone who talks to people that way.

I would just not leave feedback and not expect to receive it either as expecting a buyer to leave first is ridiculous imo.
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#15 dv8mad

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Posted 27 July 2011 - 09:36 AM

Feedback is totally optional.
I'll be honest, I rarely ever leave feedback anymore unless someone asks for it just because I have enough.
That said, if I get it, I always return it, but if I sold something and someone said "Hey, I got the item, could you leave me feedback?" I would have no problem doing so regardless of their intentions of leaving me feedback or not. I would most certainly not be asking them to leave me a positive so I can leave one in return.

But, a little caveat, I personally do not believe that the buyer's sole responsibility is paying. I believe that dispute resolution is a big part of the overall transaction. For example, if I received item A from someone and it was packaged fairly well but arrived damaged, what feedback should I leave as the buyer?

Hopefully none until I have contacted them.

If they try their best to help me, I would leave a positive.
If they become huffy simply being asked what we can do, I would probably go neutral with a warning that they are not easy to deal with in the event of trouble.
Finally, only if the were ridiculously insulting or sent the item with known damage would I leave a negative.

Quite honestly, even if the seller refused to help me out but I felt that packaging should have been good enough, I wouldn't blame it on them. I would be looking at the first and second options to decide how easy it is to deal with them and is it something other CAGs should be aware of.

These are just my thoughts on feedback and typical CAG transactions. There is no specific method that works 100% of the time in 100% of the situations.

#16 ultrapimp

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 01:42 AM

yeah but in a smooth transaaction where both parties are satisfied, as a buyer i should not be asked to leave feedback before receiving my feedback for payment, as a buyer i am the one taking the most risk by giving my money to an unknown
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#17 conkwe

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 05:00 AM

I have about the same views as dv8mad. I posted the following in another thread a few weeks earlier regarding who leaves feedback first:

Rather than start a new thread, I would like to expand this discussion.
What do you think about the practice of withholding feedback until the other person leaves theirs?
I'm talking about the CAG who doesn't leave feedback for someone who has already paid or shipped (succesfully) their end of the deal, until that person leaves feedback for them.
I see this as a sort of feedback extortion and it seems to be very common here.


When I sell something, I don't leave feedback until after the buyer leaves feedback. I'm not extorting feedback. It's because my part as a seller isn't done until the buyer is satisfied with the item. What if the buyer had a problem with the item and wanted to resolve it with the seller? Depending on how resolving the situation goes, the buyer is still responsible for his/her communication, etiquette, and anything else that would affect his/her feedback during the situation.


yeah but in a smooth transaaction where both parties are satisfied, as a buyer i should not be asked to leave feedback before receiving my feedback for payment, as a buyer i am the one taking the most risk by giving my money to an unknown


In a smooth transaction where both parties are satisfied, I don't see why it would matter who leaves feedback first. But I would probably still lean towards the buyer leaving feedback first. Because if there really was a problem, like I said before, the buyer is still responsible for his part as a buyer throughout the whole dispute process. It's after a problem arises where buyers and sellers true colors come out. The communication between the two could easily change when trying to resolve a problem. It would be a hassle to PM a mod to change what the seller left feedback for the buyer after the dispute process. So an easy preventative measure against this is to just have the buyer leave feedback first stating that he's satisfied with the transaction.

Besides, how would the seller know that the buyer was satisfied anyway? With the buyer leaving feedback first, that lets me know that the buyer was satisfied, then I leave feedback.

I'm not really too anal about receiving feedback first, if receiving any at all since I'm content with my feedback already. But if a buyer was really concerned about leaving feedback first, I'd leave it first if he asks for it. I'd just have to hope that he doesn't start up a problem with the item or something later on.

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 09:35 PM

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Some body thought they'd make their own rules and the lowball would run itself.

Perfect example of how to totally Fuck up a lowball.

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 10:01 PM

Just out of curiousity... Are CAGers "allowed" to just make up their own rules for a Lowball? IE - minimum price, setting bid increment, no specific end time...

I've been getting flac for pointing out lowballs that don't follow the rules according to this page. I'm just curious. Thanks!

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 04:49 PM

Are we able to leave negative feedback for an abandoned lowball by a CAG? If they list a lowball on this site, they are susceptible to the feedback system if they do not fulfill their duties by posting on this site. If the member left the site for personal reasons that would be one thing, but for them to abandon the site mid-lowball and return to the site to run a trade list with no mention of why this occurred shouldn't be allowed to go without appropriate feedback or administrator punishment. I'd say it's ban worthy, but this isn't my site. But I am a member on the site and can't stand dishonesty and shadiness.

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 05:21 PM

Are we able to leave negative feedback for an abandoned lowball by a CAG? If they list a lowball on this site, they are susceptible to the feedback system if they do not fulfill their duties by posting on this site. If the member left the site for personal reasons that would be one thing, but for them to abandon the site mid-lowball and return to the site to run a trade list with no mention of why this occurred shouldn't be allowed to go without appropriate feedback or administrator punishment. I'd say it's ban worthy, but this isn't my site. But I am a member on the site and can't stand dishonesty and shadiness.


Your reasoning is justifiable. There should be a high standard for conducting a lowball through honest feedback and communication. Sadly, I feel this sub-category is not getting enough mass appeal to sway more public outcry.

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 09:24 AM

Are we able to leave negative feedback for an abandoned lowball by a CAG? If they list a lowball on this site, they are susceptible to the feedback system if they do not fulfill their duties by posting on this site. If the member left the site for personal reasons that would be one thing, but for them to abandon the site mid-lowball and return to the site to run a trade list with no mention of why this occurred shouldn't be allowed to go without appropriate feedback or administrator punishment. I'd say it's ban worthy, but this isn't my site. But I am a member on the site and can't stand dishonesty and shadiness.


Information for sellers:
Please plan your auction ahead. Your end time is a verbal contract with your bidders and is not flexible. Please ensure that you will be ready and able to end your auction within the window specified in your lowball rules.
Items up for auction should be visually verified before being added to your listing (pictures of the actual product are highly recommended!) as sellers will be held responsible for ensuring that their list is accurate and all items are delivered as promised upon completion of the lowball. This means listed items may not be removed from the lowball once it is underway.
If payment is required by a certain date, be clear about that in your listed payment guidelines. Otherwise, something general such as, Quote:
I would like to receive payment within 10 days of lowball end, but other arrangements may be made if you contact me before bidding. is also acceptable.
Appropriate feedback may be left by your buyers for actions outside the rules.

I don't think I can make it any more clear than it already is in the OP. Sellers that do not follow through should absolutely be held accountable for their actions. We, as CAGs, have to count on a certain amount of self-policing, so I hope everyone feels free to leave the appropriate feedback were they affected.

EDIT: I would like to mention that, the CAG in question had a lowball with a similar result the attempt before. The bidders at that time chose to let him slide, and it lead to the exact same result in the next attempt.
I can't express enough how much I am against leniency when it comes to lowballs and following through with your commitment.
Of course, everyone could have an issue of some sort, but the "lowballers" I have had the most respect for are the ones that ate their losses, "manned up" and followed through in spite of low bids, spoiled endings, etc.

I have seen (too) many failed lowballs, and rarely does the person causing the issues redeem themselves with their next attempt.
A good deal is one thing, but those of you piling on to bid when there has been so much disappointment in the past are simply masochists!

I have said it before, and will continue to say it until either myself or this site dies, but the lowballs are for the benefit of ALL CAGS not specifically for the sellers.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 12:20 PM

Anyone have any further suggestions for the Quick FAQ in the OP?

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 07:50 PM

I have something I need help with, my lowball ended last Sunday (the 19th) and it's now the 25th. I have a bidder who according to their profile, has not logged on since the 16th. I didn't put any time frame on payment assuming everyone would pay me in a timely manner... But any suggestions on what to do?

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 12:37 AM

I have something I need help with, my lowball ended last Sunday (the 19th) and it's now the 25th. I have a bidder who according to their profile, has not logged on since the 16th. I didn't put any time frame on payment assuming everyone would pay me in a timely manner... But any suggestions on what to do?


Without a timeframe in your lowball, you will have to PM them. Give them a fair amount of time in order te respond, say 4-5 days. If you do not hear from them, you can send a "final warning" PM and, again, give them a fair amount of time to respond before taking action.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:22 AM

It's been 8 days since I sent them a PM about the lowball and 11 since they last logged onto the site. Guess I'll keep waiting.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 04:15 AM

Sorry this question is so late, can Used PC games be sold in Lowball Auctions? - I mean games without any of the copy-protection that is becoming more and more prevalent.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 06:31 AM

Sorry this question is so late, can Used PC games be sold in Lowball Auctions? - I mean games without any of the copy-protection that is becoming more and more prevalent.


You can sell anything allowed on CAG in a lowball.
Just explain your items thoroughly so everyone knows exactly what they are getting.

Obviously selling (or offering) copies is not allowed, and copying items to sell the originals is not, and should not be, a topic of conversation on CAG.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:26 PM

I will be conducting a massive lowball shortly here and wanted to ask two questions. First off since I will be unloading 100s of games I wanted to break them up into quite a few auctions that I felt I would hold either weekly or bi weekly. I was wondering if the preference is for me to create a new topic each week or to just edit my first topic. I dont want to flood the forums, but at the same time it seems like conducting multiple lowballs in a single topic could get confusing.

My second question, is it acceptable for me to allow buyers the option to pay when they win but hold off for a larger shipping? So for example someone wins 3 games at my first lowball and they owe me $32 for those games. However they want to wait and see what is in future lowballs to get lower shipping costs by bundling more games together. I would be ok with that, but I dont want to hold games for months or even weeks on end which gives them the chance to back out of payment. Is it acceptable for me to charge them the $32 up front in order to hold those games for them and then as they win future lowballs I naturally just reduce the shipping costs of future payments?

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 12:08 PM

I will be conducting a massive lowball shortly here and wanted to ask two questions. First off since I will be unloading 100s of games I wanted to break them up into quite a few auctions that I felt I would hold either weekly or bi weekly. I was wondering if the preference is for me to create a new topic each week or to just edit my first topic. I dont want to flood the forums, but at the same time it seems like conducting multiple lowballs in a single topic could get confusing.

My second question, is it acceptable for me to allow buyers the option to pay when they win but hold off for a larger shipping? So for example someone wins 3 games at my first lowball and they owe me $32 for those games. However they want to wait and see what is in future lowballs to get lower shipping costs by bundling more games together. I would be ok with that, but I dont want to hold games for months or even weeks on end which gives them the chance to back out of payment. Is it acceptable for me to charge them the $32 up front in order to hold those games for them and then as they win future lowballs I naturally just reduce the shipping costs of future payments?



If you are pretty set on the weekly or bi-weekly system, then opening new threads for each would probably be quite confusing when you would have a few different ones all mixed in at or near the top with previous bidders still posting and continuously mixing them.
If it ends up being more like a monthly lowball, the forum could probably support multiple threads as the previous would have had time to move down a bit when the new one is made.

Again, back to the weekly/bi-weekly system, it would be up to the buyers and you to work out a plan, including payment, for the auction end and possible combined shipping.
I imagine there would be a mix of people wanting to hold off on shipping and payment until they get more items and those that would prefer to pay nearer time of shipment.
As for a longer schedule, I would think that, just for security purposes, most people would prefer shipping be done within a reasonable period of time that still offers them coverage via Paypal.

In any case, there are no real structures in place for exactly how you need to receive payment, but keep in mind that the flexibility you have in dealing with each person is often based on your availability to work things out and, huge lowballs ending in multiple periods will fill up your inbox VERY quickly - not to mention that most people say they end up having a lot more work during and after the lowballs than they originally imagined.

I have seen lowballs in the past in which the sellers became overwhelmed, so just keep that in mind.