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#1 Lancey Howard

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 01:30 PM

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 02:13 PM

Guess I'll never buy from GoDaddy again. :/

#3 Soodmeg

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 03:47 PM

People want to bitch and complain about SOPA but they will never stop stealing things on the internet. It reminds me of PC gamers, they complain so much about how everyone ignores their platform and makes them jump through hoops to play. DRM, Ports not even releasing popular games etc etc.

But the very second someone does it gets pirated to no end.


You can have it both ways, I dont fully agree with SOPA either but what else do you want them to do? YOU STEAL EVERYTHING. You break into a place enough times and then get pissed when they put a fence up. They wouldnt have to be so extreme if everyone didnt think it was their right to steal everything.

Dont like SOPA? Try paying for some stuff. I also love how people always threaten to not buy things that wouldnt in the first place. The whole thing is based on the fact that so many things are stolen and reproduced on the internet so how does a threat of not buying things from them really work? Not enough people were in the first place.

Edited by Soodmeg, 23 December 2011 - 03:59 PM.


#4 ShockandAww

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 04:47 PM

SOPA is vaguely worded which I think is the big issue with it. If you can stop piracy in a manner that won't possibly destroy the internet as we know it, cool. SOPA is not going to do that.

wikipedia.org and neogaf.com are hosted by GoDaddy. There's a big push at reddit to get wikipedia.org to switch registrars. I cant post at neogaf because I'm not cool enough but if there's someone that can could you point this out in the SOPA thread they have going on there? http://www.neogaf.co...ad.php?t=455818

Maybe they can influence neogaf to change registrars as well.

#5 Soodmeg

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 04:58 PM

Yeah SOPA does seem like it would destroy the internet....but you are doing that already by stealing so many things. Again, its one or the other. Clearly the internet cant self police so what other option does a company have?

I am all for getting together and discussing what can be done but it doesnt seem like many internet users want to do that because the end result will make them face the fact that they do not have a "right" to steal whatever they want just because its digital.

The internet brought this upon themselves so you cant get mad now you should have saw this coming when you were downloading 30g of torrents a day.

#6 camoor

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 05:21 PM

People want to bitch and complain about SOPA but they will never stop stealing things on the internet. It reminds me of PC gamers, they complain so much about how everyone ignores their platform and makes them jump through hoops to play. DRM, Ports not even releasing popular games etc etc.

But the very second someone does it gets pirated to no end.


You can have it both ways, I dont fully agree with SOPA either but what else do you want them to do? YOU STEAL EVERYTHING. You break into a place enough times and then get pissed when they put a fence up. They wouldnt have to be so extreme if everyone didnt think it was their right to steal everything.

Dont like SOPA? Try paying for some stuff. I also love how people always threaten to not buy things that wouldnt in the first place. The whole thing is based on the fact that so many things are stolen and reproduced on the internet so how does a threat of not buying things from them really work? Not enough people were in the first place.


If we have to err between too much power to the citizens or too much power to the corporations I choose the former.

A bored teenager torrenting a few Nikki Minaj songs does not equate to the horrors that corporations will commit once they acquire unprecedented censorship powers.

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 05:41 PM

If we have to err between too much power to the citizens or too much power to the corporations I choose the former.

A bored teenager torrenting a few Nikki Minaj songs does not equate to the horrors that corporations will commit once they acquire unprecedented censorship powers.

This.

And to me this isnt simply about whether piracy is right or wrong. Piracy for the sake of piracy is indeed wrong and rightfully illegal imo. However SOPA is even worse in the other direction. It is far too restrictive.

Here's a terrible analogy that I shouldn't post but will anyway: It's like someone getting bullied at school and then shooting up the school with the bully (and everyone else) in it to solve the problem. Sure they've solved their bully problem but did so by creating far worse problems for many many more.

Both are very clearly wrong.

Do I know a perfect solution to piracy? Hell no. But it's pretty clear that SOPA is not the proper response.

#8 Soodmeg

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 06:29 PM

If we have to err between too much power to the citizens or too much power to the corporations I choose the former.

A bored teenager torrenting a few Nikki Minaj songs does not equate to the horrors that corporations will commit once they acquire unprecedented censorship powers.


This is wrong. Period. Its the crux of the their argument. It is so easy to say that its no big deal when you are the one doing the stealing and not the one getting stolen from. Trivializing what you are doing is the catalyst of their push to control everything.

Like most internet users you dont understand that the bored teenager torrenting a few Nikki Minaj songs represents a loss of 20 - 30 million dollars to a corporation. If someone was stealing 30% of your work wouldnt you fight to get it back? When I look at my bank account you dont think I wonder what it would be if 20-40% of my work wasnt stolen each month?
Unless you are an artist you have no way of understanding how it feels to have the world simply up and tell you that you shouldnt be paid for the hundreds of hours thousand of dollars you spent to do what you do.

Again, I am not really for SOPA because I think it does give them way to much power but internet users have FAR to much power right now. Ironically you are exactly what you think they will be. You are raping and pillaging everything around you with very little consequences yet you are scared that they will have too much power? You might as well be able to walk through walls like an X-Men because you found a way to seriously put your hand in the pocket of a major corp and take money out. The strange thing is how people still feel doing this to lets say a bank as illegal but its cool to do it to Sony. The bottom line is that hundreds of millions of dollars of other peoples money gets stolen every year (probably month) you couldnt possible think that they would be fine with that and wouldnt go to the ends of the earth to get it back. If someone stole 200 million from your personally account you would want to hire a hitman and kill them but as long as its a big corp than who cares right?

Until internet users face the fact that they have basically been stealing 100 of millions of dollars from dozens of corporations for years now and decide to work with big corp of a common ground that is fair to both sides you will always be faced with a SOPA. And guess what? You will lose because they have far more lawyers and far more money than you.

I will say it again, dont like SOPA? Then convince your friends to stop downloading everything under the sun and use the thousands of legal apps that are floating around. You can get unlimited amount of virtually everything for under 20 bucks a month but even that is too much for MOST internet users to fork over. So even though I dont like it..prepare to get your ass raped in the exact same fashion you have been doing for years.

Edited by Soodmeg, 23 December 2011 - 06:48 PM.


#9 Kerig

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 08:05 PM

Looks like they've just unshot that elephant:

"We’ve listened to our customers. Go Daddy is no longer supporting the SOPA legislation. Click here to find out more."

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#10 kodave

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 08:11 PM

lol. What a spineless company.


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#12 camoor

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 08:25 PM

This is wrong. Period. Its the crux of the their argument. It is so easy to say that its no big deal when you are the one doing the stealing and not the one getting stolen from. Trivializing what you are doing is the catalyst of their push to control everything.

Like most internet users you dont understand that the bored teenager torrenting a few Nikki Minaj songs represents a loss of 20 - 30 million dollars to a corporation. If someone was stealing 30% of your work wouldnt you fight to get it back? When I look at my bank account you dont think I wonder what it would be if 20-40% of my work wasnt stolen each month?
Unless you are an artist you have no way of understanding how it feels to have the world simply up and tell you that you shouldnt be paid for the hundreds of hours thousand of dollars you spent to do what you do.

Again, I am not really for SOPA because I think it does give them way to much power but internet users have FAR to much power right now. Ironically you are exactly what you think they will be. You are raping and pillaging everything around you with very little consequences yet you are scared that they will have too much power? You might as well be able to walk through walls like an X-Men because you found a way to seriously put your hand in the pocket of a major corp and take money out. The strange thing is how people still feel doing this to lets say a bank as illegal but its cool to do it to Sony. The bottom line is that hundreds of millions of dollars of other peoples money gets stolen every year (probably month) you couldnt possible think that they would be fine with that and wouldnt go to the ends of the earth to get it back. If someone stole 200 million from your personally account you would want to hire a hitman and kill them but as long as its a big corp than who cares right?

Until internet users face the fact that they have basically been stealing 100 of millions of dollars from dozens of corporations for years now and decide to work with big corp of a common ground that is fair to both sides you will always be faced with a SOPA. And guess what? You will lose because they have far more lawyers and far more money than you.

I will say it again, dont like SOPA? Then convince your friends to stop downloading everything under the sun and use the thousands of legal apps that are floating around. You can get unlimited amount of virtually everything for under 20 bucks a month but even that is too much for MOST internet users to fork over. So even though I dont like it..prepare to get your ass raped in the exact same fashion you have been doing for years.


OK - to be clear I'm not stealing anything. Netflix, Steam, plain old fashioned PS3 games, quality DLC, I'm a fan of all of them. Plus I already said how much I like Sony products in that other thread (even visited their store in NYC last week :D )

I also agree that the corporations have all the lawyers and influence, and citizen's rights don't stand a chance. That's probably where the similarity in our opinions ends.

You make piracy in America sound like financial armegeddon - it's not. In terms of the GDP it's peanuts. SOPA is using nuclear weapons to swat flies - it's not going to end well and the citizens are going to pay the price.

But keep it up chuckles, and I'll make another donation to EFF in your name :lol:

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 09:25 PM

Looks like they learned their lesson. If you want to support something controversial do it silently and far away from the eyes of Reddit.

Politicians would love it if they could block access to websites at will with no oversight so SOPA will pass eventually. Fools like Soodmeg make it so easy for them.

#14 ShockandAww

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 09:27 PM

Ha. Was reading about why the hell GoDaddy supported SOPA to begin with. Turns out they helped create it and they're exempt from it. So if website A is hosted by Company X and has copyrighted content...TAKE IT DOWN. But website B has copyrighted material and is hosted by GoDaddy. Lucky them. It's ok to have pirated material because GoDaddy is your host! Sickening.

So now they just BOOM have reversed and do not support SOPA that they are exempt from and helped create to begin with? Surrrre...

Fuck GoDaddy.

#15 Lancey Howard

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 10:02 PM

This is wrong. Period. Its the crux of the their argument. It is so easy to say that its no big deal when you are the one doing the stealing and not the one getting stolen from. Trivializing what you are doing is the catalyst of their push to control everything.

Like most internet users you dont understand that the bored teenager torrenting a few Nikki Minaj songs represents a loss of 20 - 30 million dollars to a corporation. If someone was stealing 30% of your work wouldnt you fight to get it back? When I look at my bank account you dont think I wonder what it would be if 20-40% of my work wasnt stolen each month?
Unless you are an artist you have no way of understanding how it feels to have the world simply up and tell you that you shouldnt be paid for the hundreds of hours thousand of dollars you spent to do what you do.

Again, I am not really for SOPA because I think it does give them way to much power but internet users have FAR to much power right now. Ironically you are exactly what you think they will be. You are raping and pillaging everything around you with very little consequences yet you are scared that they will have too much power? You might as well be able to walk through walls like an X-Men because you found a way to seriously put your hand in the pocket of a major corp and take money out. The strange thing is how people still feel doing this to lets say a bank as illegal but its cool to do it to Sony. The bottom line is that hundreds of millions of dollars of other peoples money gets stolen every year (probably month) you couldnt possible think that they would be fine with that and wouldnt go to the ends of the earth to get it back. If someone stole 200 million from your personally account you would want to hire a hitman and kill them but as long as its a big corp than who cares right?

Until internet users face the fact that they have basically been stealing 100 of millions of dollars from dozens of corporations for years now and decide to work with big corp of a common ground that is fair to both sides you will always be faced with a SOPA. And guess what? You will lose because they have far more lawyers and far more money than you.

I will say it again, dont like SOPA? Then convince your friends to stop downloading everything under the sun and use the thousands of legal apps that are floating around. You can get unlimited amount of virtually everything for under 20 bucks a month but even that is too much for MOST internet users to fork over. So even though I dont like it..prepare to get your ass raped in the exact same fashion you have been doing for years.


I think you make a sound argument; however, to give [the power that SOPA will] the power to censor is a major step in the wrong direction. I don't like the idea of anyone telling me that something on the internets is VERBOTEN because it sort-of kind-of approaches copyright infringement...with no checks and balances attached.

Sweeping edicts work rather poorly.

And I really do not think the backlash in public opinion towards the bill is fueled by pirates. Frankly, at least the people I talk to (which admittedly is very few, considering) are still scared to death to pirate anything because they think the RIAA is watching. Do I think copyright infringment is wrong? Yes. Do I think there should be a law in place that allows anyone to censor or block as THEY [government, copyright holders, Joe down the block] see fit to bitch about? No.
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#16 Soodmeg

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 10:38 PM

Camoor I didnt mean you, I just meant in general. Also remember that I AM NOT FOR SOPA...as I also think it gives them far to much power.

What I am saying is that you can not be outraged that your dog bit you after you spent 10 years beating it. It seems to me that a lot of people think that this is a big corp trying to bully the little guy when its just the opposite. The real problem is the generation of people who have grown to believe that they have a RIGHT to other peoples work as long as it on the internet. For their stand point what more can they do? They already have provided numerous avenues to purchase extremely cheap legal content and still people pirate the shit out of everything. So much so that many young people dont even understand the concept of ownership of digital things.

Also camoor, again, clearly you are not an artist. It is very easy to claim its just peanuts when ITS NOT COMING FROM YOUR BANK ACCOUNT. Basically what you are saying is.....as long as its an artist Fuck em but you would lose your shit if I walked into your bank and took 20% of your money. I am sure you know what I do for a living and my work gets stolen all the time, I am not super poor but I imagine if 30% of my work wasnt stolen each month I could maybe pay off all of my student loans and saving for a house or what not.

That is the crux of their push. Its the fact that people have grown to think they have a right to other peoples work and just because the format in digital. Until you convince people otherwise there will ALWAYS be a SOPA because a corp will never stand for letting million of dollars go for no reason.

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 10:52 PM

What about adapting with the times? So what if music becomes "free" - maybe that's the way it should be. Should Jay-Z and Lady Gaga really be among the highest paid people in the world? I don't begrudge them for it but would people really stop making music if all you could earn is $50,000 a year or something a normal person makes? Plus, there are plenty of other ways to make money as a band/entertainer. Same thing with movies - 3D may not be the ultimate answer to get people to go to the theater but at least it's something.

I'm not saying pirating is right/moral/OK but of course the ones making millions and millions year after year who, by the way, also happen to have a MAJOR influence over politics and lawmakers, are going to throw a fit. SOPA is not the answer - I'm doubtful that there even is an answer other than to adapt. The cat is out of the bag.

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 11:01 PM

This is classic New World Order. Problem, Reaction, and Solution. The government creates an artificial problem, we had the reaction stage where we get enough people to go on one side, last the solution stage where government "fixes" the problem and becomes the hero.
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#19 Lice

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 11:16 PM

Soodmeg, I enjoy your refreshing pov on it. I agree with every word you said and I applaud you speaking your mind.

#20 camoor

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 11:36 PM

Camoor I didnt mean you, I just meant in general. Also remember that I AM NOT FOR SOPA...as I also think it gives them far to much power.

What I am saying is that you can not be outraged that your dog bit you after you spent 10 years beating it. It seems to me that a lot of people think that this is a big corp trying to bully the little guy when its just the opposite. The real problem is the generation of people who have grown to believe that they have a RIGHT to other peoples work as long as it on the internet. For their stand point what more can they do? They already have provided numerous avenues to purchase extremely cheap legal content and still people pirate the shit out of everything. So much so that many young people dont even understand the concept of ownership of digital things.

Also camoor, again, clearly you are not an artist. It is very easy to claim its just peanuts when ITS NOT COMING FROM YOUR BANK ACCOUNT. Basically what you are saying is.....as long as its an artist Fuck em but you would lose your shit if I walked into your bank and took 20% of your money. I am sure you know what I do for a living and my work gets stolen all the time, I am not super poor but I imagine if 30% of my work wasnt stolen each month I could maybe pay off all of my student loans and saving for a house or what not.

That is the crux of their push. Its the fact that people have grown to think they have a right to other peoples work and just because the format in digital. Until you convince people otherwise there will ALWAYS be a SOPA because a corp will never stand for letting million of dollars go for no reason.


Eh - I'm more sympathetic to your viewpoint then you probably think and it seems we agree to a certain extent about SOPA.

I think the 'IP should be free' mentality is common among youth because that's a very natural, rebellious, youthful attitude to have. Kids always have and will always going to have those attitudes (ever hear of bootleg tapes back in the dark ages). Draconian laws won't change it either.

From what I've seen with artists, writers, etc - they get screwed more by entertainment companies then the fans.

I think the entertainment services coming out are moving things in the right direction (Amazon cloud sounds cool). And it's because American businesses can afford to hire the most cunning, ruthless, and clever businesspeople - hell they can sell you bottled water when we all know you can get it free from the tap, and they're starting to suceed in offering a superior pipeline of entertainment to the choppy low-quality, virus-ridden torrents. Anyone in the vs forum will tell you that I'm not opposed to sensible regulation, but this is one where even I say let the markets figure it out (and reform the DMCA - the fines are fucking ridiculous!!!)

#21 camoor

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 11:41 PM

Also, for the lulz:

The RIAA Pirated $9 Million Worth of TV Shows

The same RIAA that makes examples out of ordinary folks by suing them for millions of dollars for file sharing? Turns out someone there's been pirating full seasons of Dexter. Nine million dollars worth. Whoops!


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#22 Soodmeg

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Posted 24 December 2011 - 02:24 AM

What about adapting with the times? So what if music becomes "free" - maybe that's the way it should be. Should Jay-Z and Lady Gaga really be among the highest paid people in the world? I don't begrudge them for it but would people really stop making music if all you could earn is $50,000 a year or something a normal person makes? Plus, there are plenty of other ways to make money as a band/entertainer. Same thing with movies - 3D may not be the ultimate answer to get people to go to the theater but at least it's something.

I'm not saying pirating is right/moral/OK but of course the ones making millions and millions year after year who, by the way, also happen to have a MAJOR influence over politics and lawmakers, are going to throw a fit. SOPA is not the answer - I'm doubtful that there even is an answer other than to adapt. The cat is out of the bag.


Are you seriously with this? Alright Javery, I am going to say something that you wont like and this post will be full of irate jabs at you but know that I actually really like ya and think you are crazy smart.

Jay-z is more important to the world than you ever could be.

Lets go through this shall we. Note that these are gross under estimates.

Jay-Z
Manger
Producers, Directors
10 Audio Engineers, 10 Sound Techs, 10 Sound designers,
Drummers, Pianist, Guitarist, Singers, Dancers, Keyboards,
Live Lighting Engineers, Live Sound Engineers, Set Designers, Stage Designers, Stage Hands, Stage Mangers, Roadies, Cable Wranglers
Camera Ops, Projectionist, Laser Techs, FX, Graphic Designers, Web Designers, Web IT, PR Specialist, Writers, Lawyers, Accountants, Drivers, promoters, Event Planners, Party Companies, Clean up, the person who owns the venue, security, ticket takers, The people who work at your local energy company who provides electricity to run 400 thousand amps of gear, their techs, their customer service, the company that actually design and press the physically cd, etc etc etc.

And that not even including the thousand of people who build the gear that gets used....there is no reason to research and design microphones, cables, stages, lights etc etc if no one can buy them.

So tell me J? How many people do you employ around the world?


Yay...thought so. Yah, I love being told that my career isnt vital enough to the planet from 1 of 5 million fucking lawyers walking around. I also love how you are not saying that people should stop making music you are just saying that people should stop being paid for it. If Jayz doesnt make money he then cant pay the thousands of people in over 40 professions.

How many days of the year do you work for free there J? How much do you make a year?

Edited by Soodmeg, 24 December 2011 - 02:41 AM.


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Posted 24 December 2011 - 06:25 AM

Whoever posted that Youtube video, that's some serious trippy shit.
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#24 ShockandAww

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Posted 24 December 2011 - 11:55 AM

And wikipedia is leaving GoDaddy. Donated $10 to wikimedia for doing the right thing.

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Posted 24 December 2011 - 03:26 PM

Jay-z is more important to the world than you ever could be.


You're more important in my world than Jay-z is, Jay-v.


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Posted 24 December 2011 - 04:06 PM

You're more important in my world than Jay-z is, Jay-v.


Did Hova ever build a fully functioning arcade cabinet? Fuck no. He's a fucking joke poser, he's hiphop's version of Martha Stewart.

Keep doin' what you do, Javery.
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Posted 24 December 2011 - 04:50 PM

Copying isn't theft.

Nobody has a right to make money on their ideas, goods, or services.

Nobody owns an idea.
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#28 Soodmeg

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Posted 24 December 2011 - 05:15 PM

J's arcade cabinet is pretty sweet.

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Posted 24 December 2011 - 06:09 PM

From what I've seen with artists, writers, etc - they get screwed more by entertainment companies then the fans.


This.

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#30 Soodmeg

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Posted 24 December 2011 - 06:23 PM

From what I seen with the common man they get screwed more by banks than congress. Its ok to walk in and take money out of the vault.

You see how that doesnt work in any other field.