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CAGcast #273: The Wombat Syndrome


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#1 CheapyD

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 05:28 AM

Shipwreck enters the Binary Domain, Cheapy has second thoughts about an E3 party, and Wombat explains how Sony suffers from The Wombat Syndrome.

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#2 Lightning War

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 05:52 AM

Damn Tech-Gaming.

Alright, let's see if I can offer up some constructive criticism Wombat.

"I'm not outraged by it either, I just like to stir things up."

This confirms what I've been thinking for quite a while. I'm normally a fan of yours but when you start playing devil's advocate just for the sake of causing controversy I feel like you're just wasting my time. I listen to this podcast to hear the three of yours opinions on gaming news. I don't really want to hear you picking a viewpoint to argue with just for the sake of arguing. Didn't this just happen with the whole Double Fine Kickstarter thing?

It's gotten to the point where sometimes I can no longer differentiate between your real opinion and a viewpoint you've just picked for the sake of argument. I would rather hear you discuss your own thoughts over you just saying "Hey, this is the popular opinion and I want to go against this, so let's argue about it."

If you really want to improve you'd offer up your own opinion and stick to it instead of arguing just for the sake of arguing. Discussion can still be had and it would flow more naturally and seem more realistic if you were actually talking from a viewpoint you believe instead of just pulling up points that go against popular opinion.

That's just how I feel, and I'd like to hear your opinion on it.

Also, no show next week?! God damn it.

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#3 Scorch

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 05:55 AM

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#4 Sway

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 05:57 AM

Thank you Gaming Moses.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 05:57 AM

Good 'ol CAGcast, helping me churn out late night papers since 1908, or whenever.
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#6 BlindNoir

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 06:17 AM

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 06:29 AM

I would like a cag scholarship please

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#8 ddrlenz

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 06:45 AM

My constructive criticism comment for the contest:

I enjoy the format of the show, but I do think if you added better transitions to segments (I.E. Wombat's New and Stuff) like music, or something to that effect could help with making the pacing better or easier to transition.

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#9 Wario64

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 08:15 AM

Misinformation on the used vita games/trophies thing.

The game that are affected are games that save directly to the cart. The reason why you can't earn trophies on a uses game is because the save file is already tied to a user's account. It's not to combat used games, nor is it DRM. It's to prevent people from sharing trophies and cheating it. The delete thing is not a work around, thats how the system is built. It even tells you that if you want to earn trophies, you need to delete the application data first...Sony did this intentionally. It has nothing to do with fighting used games

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 08:28 AM

I was wondering with all this ME3 controversy. How does the SYWR coupon work for kmart does it actually expire 3/6/12 if you preorder me3 from them?
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#11 mrx001

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 08:42 AM

Constructive criticism? The format of the show is fine. The thing that bothered me, was the never ending negative critique on the Vita from CheapyD and Shipwreck. It was like listening to two parrots say exactly the same thing over and over again. If you're going to hate (or be overzealous) on something it wouldn't hurt if you had something new to say.

#12 CheapyD

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 09:27 AM

Misinformation on the used vita games/trophies thing.


I blame Shipwreck. He's supposed to be the smart one.

#13 YoatOverNothing

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 09:39 AM

My criticism of the show is really only about one thing...Cheapy's occasional fecal tales. To me it just makes the show look immature when he starts talking about poop this and poop that. It makes him sound like a little kid when he starts talking about "doody". I know he doesn't do it all the time, but when he does it just makes the show look bad to me (Especially when held up against other video game podcasts.)

Other than that I really don't have any other problems with the show or you guys.

#14 hectorlaparka

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 10:49 AM

In regards to the whole Cross Assault issue.

I watched the show, and while Aris is an idiot, Miranda is overreacting. There was another female on that program, a Starcraft/Street Fighter player known as Sherry Jennix, and she said it best. She didn't stand up for herself. If Miranda had told Aris to stop, he would have. This is coming from a girl who has been active in the fighting game community for years, knows Aris, and has been harassed by stalkers and lurkers in the past. Yet, she sees - as a female - that Miranda is just a drama queen. Besides, the majority of the "harassment" came from some of the viewers, who even set up a Tumblr account with some blurry pics of Miranda's thighs. Aris fucked up, and he is getting a lot of flak for what he said (and he deserves it in my opinion), but no one is talking about how she is acting like she was being gang raped on camera when she didn't even stood her ground and told him to Fuck off in the first place, making everything seem worse than what it really was.

Besides all the drama, a lot of great stuff happened on that show. Professional players and commentators who are not know outside the FGC got a lot of exposure, like Maximilian from Machinima/Online Warrior Productions and Dr Sub Zero - who is one of the forefathers of live video game commentary and the host of The Ask Dr Sub Zero show, relationships between Capcom and those who run tournaments, fighting game events, and fighting game-related content online were solidified, and naysayers were converted when they saw how fun and how crazy this game can get.

In the end, all that matters is the game, and Street Fighter x Tekken has to be one Capcom's most ambitious fighting game since X-Men vs Street Fighter. I can't wait 'till Tuesday to wear my thumbs off playing it.

I'm not doing this for the Mortal Kombat copy (I already have the game, so it's only fair that other CAGs get a shot at it), but as far as show criticism goes, just keep doing what you've been doing all these years. I've said this in the past, but this is one of the few podcasts that I find genuinely fun and interesting. Not only I get to listen to your opinions, but it is awesome to see how you guys delve into the business side of things, which makes this show very unique. I have learned a lot about how video game sites work, as well as how video game publishers have found ways to make more revenue and work the press in their favor. Also, Cheapy's poop tales are fun, Wombat always manages to piss someone off (which is something I really like about him), and Shipwreck's reviews on the show are always on point. Just keep up the good work.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:09 AM

Long time listener, occasional poster. This was a good podcast as usual guys. I don't really care about Mortal Kombat that much (but hey free is free), so here are some critiques/comments:

Cheapy: PLEASE don't abandon poop stories. They are rare enough that they are still surprising and funny, and they are always memorable. Also, you should ask the devs at Volition to make an amphibious vehicle - that sounds like epic fun. Finally, please try to come up with a fun party idea, maybe you could ask attendees to bring some kind of donation as an admission "ticket"? That way you would still be hooking up CAGs, while helping a charity at the same time.

Ship: I enjoyed your twitpic posts from Walmart. I like knowing the plunger sales trends in your neck of the woods. Also, please stop talking about Skylanders. I am becoming obsessed with the damn things and I don't (and WON'T!) own any. ;)

Wombat: Congrats on drinking the Ipunchâ„¢ - I get the feeling I will be the last person on earth to own a damn Iphone. I also enjoyed your reaction to the Assassin's Creed 3 image floating around - I agree, that looks like a really cool idea, and I really hope it's not a photoshop hoax. I could see an Assassin using tall ships for high dives (Assassin's tea party perhaps? heh)

Keep up the awesome work, guys. You're my favorite podcast.

#16 elbratness

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:27 AM

this is me trying to win wombat`s mk game
actually i don`t have any criticism i love the show especially all the non topic related stuff you
guys come out with, very fun and dumb. i actually found the podcast first then joined
the cag website, i like the cagcast so much that i downloaded all the episodes available
starting from episode one back in 08/05/2005 so while i wait for the new one i playing catch
up listening to old episodes so much fun keep up the good work guys!!!:applause::applause:

#17 e3vL

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:57 AM

Constructive criticism contest submission:

First off I view this podcast as casual gaming podcast and don't really take opinions on video games to heart like other gaming podcasts I listen to.

Wombat seem to be on a huge ego trip lately and tries to force his ideas onto the show to seek more attention (?) possibly due to the fact he hasn't had any recent games/hardware for discussion.

Shipwreck in my opinion is the most informed one about video game news/ releases seeing his exp on playing recent games. It seems to me that he's holding back some or don't really want to give his overall honest opinion on several subjects seeing he may be afraid of being told off, have his opinions swept under the rug seeing the other members not also playing current games/ Wombat's 'I'm always right' attitude and cheapy's tendency to back him up.

Cheapy, not as active as he used to be in video game discussions. Seems as if he is caught between siding between Wombat or Shipwreck most of the time instead of actually putting in his own opinions having siding with Wombat in most subjective arguments and Shipwreck when he has something objective/factual to say. When he can't make up his mind he tends to change topics entirely.

Overall, the podcast now seem as if there's an awkward tension between the 3 as oppose to a group think mentality in the past. Drama is nice, but Cheapy needs to straighten all this out if you know what I mean.

As for the e3 party money, why not spend it on games for all 3 party members. Easier to relate to one another if everyone is playing the same thing from show to show.

#18 MoCiWe

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:02 PM

I would just like to point out, near the end when you brought up the Mass Effect 3 dlc coming with anything Mass Effect related that you can buy, I have seen some comparisons to Skylanders with how you are buying physical content to get something in the game which can cause both of those games to end up costing more and if it's something that you can see other franchises doing in the future?

While I'm not sure myself if the dlc is exclusive or just those packs (which I think would make more sense) I'm not sure how many people are going to just buy these books and figures for the codes, I agree with Shipwreck in the sense that the people that are going to buy this stuff would have either way so in reality it's kind of like a little bonus for the dedicated fans, and not necessarily a cash grab in.
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#19 Sgt Barone

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So many theories about what the Wombat Syndrome could be...

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#20 shipwreck

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:11 PM

I blame Shipwreck. He's supposed to be the smart one.


I blame me too. I didn't have time to do anything but read that one article that was posted on the outline about the "Used Vita Game Trophies" thing. I'll do better. And I'm really happy this isn't true on Sony's end.
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#21 harrymcback

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:32 PM

Rather than an E3 CAG Party:

1. Buy gaming PCs for Cheapy, Ship, and Wombat so you can talk about PC gaming when needed.

2. Get Wombat a new laptop, he really wants one and he's the kind of guy who will give his old one to his wife rather than spend $450 to get her a new one.

3. No party at E3 means more time to smoke at E3.

4. Commission a CAG iOS game, a cross between Game Dev Story and Tiny Tower where you have to buy the most/best games for the least amount of money and resell your games for maximum value. Bonus points for being a douche.

5. Child's Play.

6. I like the Rain Man idea but you also need to make it rain like Pac-Man.
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#22 jumpiestranger2

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:48 PM

I consider the CAGcast to be a meandering podcast you never know what direction it is going but you always know the destination, "Breads Done".

#23 Timett

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:58 PM

A quick bit of constructive criticism (Konstructive Kritisism?)

I feel like you have a few too many show segments and you move through them very rigidly. This episode was actually a pretty good example of this. A lot of "now lets move onto THIS" or "wait are we onto multi platform news now?"

Making things more conversational and free flowing would work better for me. More of those "should we talk about this now or wait for Sony discussion... I guess I can just do it now" moments but without having to ask if its okay first.

#24 Stryffe2004

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 01:37 PM

HBO Go is a big deal because it allows access to every HBO show and a lot of movies. On Demand only gives you access to a handful of shows and a handful of episodes. For example, I am looking forward to watching Deadwood and past seasons of Curb Your Enthusiasm. Without HBO Go on the 360, I would have to watch it on the computer or iPad or fork out cash for the blu-rays. HBO blu-rays are super expensive.

Not a gamechanger, but it is is a pretty great feature.
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#25 LiK

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 01:47 PM

My constructive criticism for the CAGcast is: why are the shows so short? 3 hours minimum to satisfy my needs. You guys need to drop all work and family responsibility, play more games and just be dicks to your haters to improve upon the show. I WANT MORE CAGCAST.

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#26 RenX99

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 02:20 PM

Constructive criticism:

First off, I want to tell you, that I really enjoy this show, and have been listening for a few years. I am a fairly casual gamer, and I do not keep up with all the latest gaming news, and usually get my info from the cagcast. You guys have provided me with with a lot of good info and game recommendations. You three guys seem to each represent a different view point when it comes to gaming and I can tell what games I will like based upon which one of you guys like the game and by how much.

Here are some suggestions from someone who doesn't do what you guys do, and probably has no business telling you guys what you should do, but I'm going to do it anyway, cause damn it, I want to win that game. ;-)

Sometimes the show seems to lack direction, this is probably due to the casual nature of the show. I feel that perhaps you can take the show to 'the next level' if you guys gave yourselves a bit more direction. If you're not interested and just want to keep it casual, that's all good too. I'm still going to listen. But if you are, I think you guys need to ask yourselves what is it that you want this show to do, or what is going to represent? Are you trying to get this show to be a premiere show for news and reviews? Are you trying to be the best show for finding the best deals out there? I dunno, that's for you to figure out.

I suppose you could also up the ante by raising the production value of the show, maybe adding transitions and bumpers to your segments, but that's a lot more editiing, and doesn't really add any content, only polish. Adding formalized transitions would make the flow of the show smoother and may result is less of the "oh are we now doing multiplatforming??" type of thing.

Finally, the one addition I'd love to see this show get is a live stream with a chatroom. I think being able to interact with you guys as you do that show would be a lot of fun. It would add a 'forth host' to the show. The chat room could provide commentary as you go, and possibly add content: links to stories, funny insights, and inappropriate responses.

Overall, as I said before, I think you guys do a great job and hope to continue listening for a long time.

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#27 Hoffer

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 02:23 PM

When Cheapy said he turns 40 next year, that really hit me. I'm 38 right now, but I turn 40 next year too. It just sounds crazy to say. It isn't until November 2013, but it is still next year.

My criticism of the show is it needs more ponies.

#28 davidb69

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 02:24 PM

Productive Criticisms for Mortal Kombat Komplete Edition? Hell yea. While I 900% agree with you on the setup with Sony's Vita, I feel that sometimes there is unfair criticisms on the Sony side mainly because your preference to Microsoft. This seems to be because of Achievements? i guess it makes you all Achievement whores? Don't worry, I am a whore going 3 ways now which makes me a sick bastard. Best games for the Vita so far, Uncharted, Fifa and Hot Shots Golf. I'm buying a second one this month for my son to be 11 year old son as well. The only other thing I can be critical of is Wombat. I'm sad to see that you are not continually playing Skyrim for a year like you did Oblivion. Why do you think you are playing less of this version compared to Oblivion? Awesome show guys
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#29 Wombat

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 02:49 PM

Productive Criticisms for Mortal Kombat Komplete Edition? Hell yea. While I 900% agree with you on the setup with Sony's Vita, I feel that sometimes there is unfair criticisms on the Sony side mainly because your preference to Microsoft. This seems to be because of Achievements? i guess it makes you all Achievement whores? Don't worry, I am a whore going 3 ways now which makes me a sick bastard. Best games for the Vita so far, Uncharted, Fifa and Hot Shots Golf. I'm buying a second one this month for my son to be 11 year old son as well. The only other thing I can be critical of is Wombat. I'm sad to see that you are not continually playing Skyrim for a year like you did Oblivion. Why do you think you are playing less of this version compared to Oblivion? Awesome show guys


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#30 Darth Sontin

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 02:52 PM

My constructive criticism of the show would be to add and keep some segments to provide the show more structure. Last year you guys were talking about "Top Analyst" for a couple of weeks and then it just faded and was forgotten about. It would be cool once a month to hear your predictions for what is game is going to sell better, if the Vita will beat the 3DS launch, etc.

Same thing with the segment where Cheapy bought Wombat XBLA/PSN games to try out. I understand that might get expensive every week, but it was fun to hear about.

You could also tie the CAGCast into the site better by having a brief segment where you recap the top few deals of the week posted on CAG or upcoming Sunday ad deals.

I don't want you guys to lose the freeflow nature of the CAGCast too much, but you could do 45 minutes of banter and game experience recaps followed by structured segments or use them as a transition between regular banter and recaps of the previous week's games.
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