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#1 The Great Muta

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 06:39 PM

I doubt any mainstream/cable U.S. news outlet will have the balls to, ya know, actually break important news that conflicts with their interests (see: money/sponsors).

Huge news by Al-Jazeera. Thanks to chemicals released into the ocean from BP's oil disaster in 2010, fishermen have been reporting that mutated seafood has been surfacing.

News outlets should not care if the U.S. seafood industry takes a hit so long as they do their job—which, call me crazy, is to report actual news.

http://www.aljazeera...2318260912.html

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 06:48 PM

Wow...thanks for the article. I always thought it was a bit odd for all those commercials about the Gulf area to be showing up, but when they're paid for by BP, well, we should all know there's something up.

Btw, those pictures are disgusting. Good thing I only eat local seafood. Being in Boston helps.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 06:52 PM

And BP still doing business in the US?

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 07:02 PM

And BP still doing business in the US?


Was anyone ever held personally responsible for what went down? Boggles the mind that we live in a society where people aren't held responsible as long as they work for a multinational corp. that has a shitload of money.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 07:14 PM

And BP still doing business in the US?

I don't know if you're being cynical or not, but yes. People still franchise through them.

Was anyone ever held personally responsible for what went down? Boggles the mind that we live in a society where people aren't held responsible as long as they work for a multinational corp. that has a shitload of money.

I'd rather see the corporation punished than the individual and it was...although, the US should've gone after them harder.

BP was fined $20 billion excluding civil lawsuits, but that's 4% of their annual net and won't nearly be enough to cover all the damage that was caused.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 07:40 PM

Was anyone ever held personally responsible for what went down? Boggles the mind that we live in a society where people aren't held responsible as long as they work for a multinational corp. that has a shitload of money.

It's pretty rare that an individual within a company is held responsible for something the company did. I don't really care, but like doh I think BP should have been fined much, much more heavily than they were.

I hope this is a wake up call to anyone who thought this was all over though. "Hey I can't see it anymore, it's over, hooray!"

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 08:11 PM

I don't know if you're being cynical or not, but yes. People still franchise through them.


I'd rather see the corporation punished than the individual and it was...although, the US should've gone after them harder.

BP was fined $20 billion excluding civil lawsuits, but that's 4% of their annual net and won't nearly be enough to cover all the damage that was caused.


When the individuals start going to jail and stop hiding behind the corporation we might actually see ethics return in the business world. I am not saying everyone was liable for the actions that happened, but there are certainly individuals within that company that put profits above regulations and they should be punished for that. Look at Wall Street, no one there goes to jail and the problem still remains.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 08:59 PM

When the individuals start going to jail and stop hiding behind the corporation we might actually see ethics return in the business world. I am not saying everyone was liable for the actions that happened, but there are certainly individuals within that company that put profits above regulations and they should be punished for that. Look at Wall Street, no one there goes to jail and the problem still remains.

I don't disagree with you and I'd prefer to see both, but if I had to choose, I'd choose the organization because while individuals are important, they're powerless without institutional backing.

An argument can be made that individuals can influence institutions, but unless you're talking about going after those at the very top of the chain, I don't see how going after even upper management will really change anything.

A prime example is the Murdoch case in the UK. Rupert Murdoch knew exactly what was going on in his news agencies but purposely kept his hands clean of the actual workings of it, whereas his son, James, was balls deep in it and probably won't see any time behind bars. Too bad for Rebekah Brooks because she's one of the fall guys. Sure, Brooks was balls deep in it too, but the Murdochs are gonna walk and the institutions remain as well. Stripping the institutions of their power will go a long way if we're not shooting for the top of the chain.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 09:59 PM

Glad I don't eat fish period.... BP still sucks though.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 10:32 PM

Wow...thanks for the article. I always thought it was a bit odd for all those commercials about the Gulf area to be showing up, but when they're paid for by BP, well, we should all know there's something up.


I don't think that has anything to do with this story. It was probably just part of their settlement and not a direct reaction to finding mutated seafood.

By the way, Fuck BP. I don't buy gas at their stations. I just wish I knew who else they supplied not under the BP brand so I could avoid those too. (seems Arco is one)

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 10:45 PM

I don't think that has anything to do with this story. It was probably part of their settlement.

If I remember correctly, there were some shots of fishermen and restaurants serving local seafood, so it's kinda related. Problems like the one in the article were exactly what I thought when I first started seeing the ads on tv.

I'm not sure I get what you're saying about it being part of their settlement though, unless you mean they need to pay for the tourism board's ads?

By the way, Fuck BP. I don't buy oil at their stations. I just wish I knew who else they supplied not under the BP brand so I could avoid those too.

Yeah, I stay away from BP too.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 11:05 PM

I'm saying that their multi-billion dollar settlement agreement for the disaster probably included $x earmarked for tourism ads. Those ads have been in the planning for awhile and isn't directly a result of recent discoveries of mutated seafood.

I'm sure that they wanted to highlight how clean the beaches and oceanfronts are and how fresh and non-mutated the seafood was. But that wouldve been their message regardless of whether or not they found 3 eyed fish.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 11:21 PM

I don't know if you're being cynical or not, but yes. People still franchise through them.


I'd rather see the corporation punished than the individual and it was...although, the US should've gone after them harder.

BP was fined $20 billion excluding civil lawsuits, but that's 4% of their annual net and won't nearly be enough to cover all the damage that was caused.


Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner. BP, since they've gimped the Fishing Industry for who knows how long, should have to pay Welfare to the fisherman who have lost wages over this. Who knows, they may have to do this a century or more.
The Fishing Industry as I'd argue is far more valuable given that it provides food and seems renewable also.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 11:24 PM

I'm saying that their multi-billion dollar settlement agreement for the disaster probably included $x earmarked for tourism ads. Those ads have been in the planning for awhile and isn't directly a result of recent discoveries of mutated seafood.

I'm sure that they wanted to highlight how clean the beaches and oceanfronts are and how fresh and non-mutated the seafood was. But that wouldve been their message regardless of whether or not they found 3 eyed fish.

Ah ok. Makes sense.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 12:33 AM

I have to assume this was paid for by BP - http://www.scienceda...20417152648.htm

All is well, no need to panic, what mutations?

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#17 The Great Muta

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 02:15 AM

Was anyone ever held personally responsible for what went down? Boggles the mind that we live in a society where people aren't held responsible as long as they work for a multinational corp. that has a shitload of money.



It's infuriating. I become irate when I hear/see/read the incredibly wealthy get away with murder. As others have mentioned, BP Global received a slap on the wrist.

Perhaps it's just a coincidence, but today, after Al Jazeera broke the news about seafood mutations, BP reached a settlement with claimants at a total of 7.8 billion dollars (USD).

However, people need to know about this story. I wouldn't want my kids or husband or wife eating this chemical-infected trash.

http://www.csmonitor...f-Coast-victims

(After posting this here and on Facebook, I actually lost my appetite for the day. Something about the photos killed my desire to eat. Lastly, the oil industry needs to die. It's a cancer on our society.)

#18 speedracer

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:43 AM

However, people need to know about this story. I wouldn't want my kids or husband or wife eating this chemical-infected trash.

It's crawfish season here. I don't dare buy any to feed my 19 month old daughter and 8 month pregnant wife. It fucking sucks.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 12:42 PM

This is fucked.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 01:50 PM

I don't think that has anything to do with this story. It was probably just part of their settlement and not a direct reaction to finding mutated seafood.

By the way, Fuck BP. I don't buy gas at their stations. I just wish I knew who else they supplied not under the BP brand so I could avoid those too. (seems Arco is one)

If you understood how pipelines and the business worked you'd know that boycotting a specific station brand is pointless. To put it simply, there basically is no BP brand gasoline, it's all the same shit made with the same oil. There's no difference in gasoline until it reaches the owners basically, then they add whatever additives they use. Plus the BP stations you see aren't gonna be owned by BP, so in the end you really aren't going to hurt BP.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:11 PM

If you understood how pipelines and the business worked you'd know that boycotting a specific station brand is pointless. To put it simply, there basically is no BP brand gasoline, it's all the same shit made with the same oil. There's no difference in gasoline until it reaches the owners basically, then they add whatever additives they use. Plus the BP stations you see aren't gonna be owned by BP, so in the end you really aren't going to hurt BP.


Don't be a dick, Clak.

This is some serious shit. At least link him some further reading so he (and I) can get educated. Please and thankse youse.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:22 PM

Don't be a dick, Clak.

This is some serious shit. At least link him some further reading so he (and I) can get educated. Please and thankse youse.

What clak said is my understanding as well. confoosius's post originally sad "oil," so I assumed he meant motor oil or something like that and not gas, so I didn't mention it. All those gas stations we see are not company owned, but franchises. Boycotting those only affects the owners of the franchise as BP already got their money from them. The gas that we pump was already paid for by someone else.

And like any other petroleum processor, different grades of oil are used for different things, so in reality, it's almost impossible to tell what products are sourced by BP refineries when there are enough suppliers ot choose from.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:29 PM

By the way, Fuck BP. I don't buy gas at their stations. I just wish I knew who else they supplied not under the BP brand so I could avoid those too. (seems Arco is one)


Thing of it is, you're not harming BP at all in that instance. You're taking away from some local that owns the franchise. Given that you probably buy other petroleum based products that come from multiple different refineries who get their crude from multiple suppliers, you're likely still supporting BP in some random form completely unbeknownst to yourself.

Looks like I was beaten to the punch here. Oh well. I don't have any links, but when my family owned a gas station that was texaco branded, we certainly weren't getting texaco from point of extraction to our gas wells. Besides, there's next to no profit in gas anyway. It's all about the candy and smokes.

Most of the details have left my memory by now, but the process that the drillers were using was correct and legal at the time. The equipment wasn't up to snuff from what I recall but it was checked previously and given the approval.

Speed - Correct me if I'm wrong here, but aren't pregnant women not suppoed to eat crustaceans anyway? Could just be an old wive's tale or something but that's in my head as a no-no for some reason.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:47 PM

Don't be a dick, Clak.

This is some serious shit. At least link him some further reading so he (and I) can get educated. Please and thankse youse.

I wasn't trying to be a dick, sorry if it seemed that way. I don't really have any sources, I just know that's what I've read and heard form those in the industry. Gasoline is gasoline basically, the only difference is what gets added by the various companies so that they can advertise about it, like Shell does. You put a barrel into the pipeline in one area and take a barrel out somewhere else, it's all the same. Part of that is because, thankfully, there are standards for producing gasoline. It all has to conform to a certain standard, from there they can tweak their own recipe so to speak, but it's essentially all the same. Which is why I laugh when someone tries to tell me "so and so has bad gas", unless some contaminants are in it, it's the same stuff as the place down the road.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:48 PM

Speed - Correct me if I'm wrong here, but aren't pregnant women not suppoed to eat crustaceans anyway? Could just be an old wive's tale or something but that's in my head as a no-no for some reason.

It depends on the doctor's recommendation to be honest. Some doctors will say you can eat a little and some will say none at all. It has to do with mercury levels in trace amounts that can effect the development of the fetus. It's more of a safety precaution than anything else.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:55 PM

It depends on the doctor's recommendation to be honest. Some doctors will say you can eat a little and some will say none at all. It has to do with mercury levels in trace amounts that can effect the development of the fetus. It's more of a safety precaution than anything else.


yup. My wife won't eat any of that stuff right now. She can according to her doctor but her philosophy is that if you should only have a little bit then you are better off having none.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:00 PM

I love it when faceless corps can destroy the world yet we will go ape shit over smaller things. Prison for everyone except those who actually do long term destruction of the planet.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:03 PM

I love it when faceless corps can destroy the world yet we will go ape shit over smaller things. Prison for everyone except those who actually do long term destruction of the planet.


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Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:22 PM

It's the chemical dispersants more than the oil causing the problems, I'm sure.

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