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[blindinglights]

I tried searching, couldn't find anything.

Rant: WTF is up with these idiots who are extreme lowballers on Best Offer listings? I sold a game lot a week or so ago and I was looking at the old ended listing to base a new listing off of and noticed it said it had more offers than what I remembered looking at. So I looked at it and it was an auto-declined offer from some dumb ass that offered the amount it cost to ship the entire lot and he even added a message that said "oh and that's the shipped offer".

Do these people think if they offer enough times that a seller is just going to be like "Sure! I'll take a huge loss on this just so you can get the item you want." Idiots.

[TiKi2]

I was selling something about a year ago for $250. In the description I put open to offers. Some kid form Israel offers me $17 shipped. I said sure thing, but kinda jokingly. He thought I was serious. I gave a big F U to ebay and listed it on esty. Took like 3 weeks but it sold for $225. Was a game prop I made.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

So I looked at it and it was an auto-declined offer from some dumb ass that offered the amount it cost to ship the entire lot and he even added a message that said "oh and that's the shipped offer".

Do these people think if they offer enough times that a seller is just going to be like "Sure! I'll take a huge loss on this just so you can get the item you want." Idiots.

That sounds like CAG a good chunk of the time anymore. That's why I only trade/sell my games to BB or the local indy shops, since most want shit for some stupid lowball amount and SHIPPED for that price no less.

I should make a CAG stupidity thread and see how many people post about being lowballed. I bet it'd hit at least 500 posts within a couple of weeks with no problem.

[SaraAB]

Then you also have to remember that there are sellers that price their items WAYYYY out of line what with everyone else wants for the same item. A lot of people put a best offer price as a placeholder in case someone pays an outrageous amount for the item and expect people to make offers on it otherwise especially with ebay giving sellers free listings.

I am getting lowballed on shipping A LOT these days, people ask if I will ship the item for a certain price, and its to the point where they are haggling for 50 cents to a dollar difference. Those people get on my block list real quick. I would rather not sell an item at all if I have to deal with a buyer that is going to be a problem.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

Exactly. I've had people(on here) who bitched about my price for shipping not being in line with 'what they normally pay for shipping through Paypal'. Apparently they didn't read my big ass multicolored disclaimer about how I don't use Paypal and I go to the actual PO or UPS office to ship stuff. The one cheap not only wanted me to ship a game Media Mail(not allowed), he also bitched about Delivery Confirmation costing more than the $.15-.20 or whatever it was through Paypal.

Another guy wanted 3 games that still sold at the time for $15 each for $15 SHIPPED. And on and on and on.

That's why I don't even bump my trade list on here anymore. So many people with their own idea of what 'fair' is.

[blindinglights]

I would rather not sell an item at all if I have to deal with a buyer that is going to be a problem.

Same here. I'd add to that I'd also rather not sell to a jackass since this isn't a necessary income for me so much as it is me cleaning out my house.

Case in point (also best offer related), I was selling something a few months back for $30 which was lower than all the other BIN listings for the same item in similar condition. I get an offer for $9 (before I knew to use auto-decline) and I counter offer with $23 which was lower than the cheapest auctions were going at the time because I wanted to get rid of the box. The guy sends his counter offer back and it was like $9.50. I just declined and didn't bother with him anymore.

I pretty much stick to BIN listings because the problems were ten fold with idiots on auctions, but I just can't seem to escape from these morons.

[YoshiFan1]

I don't even have Best Offer turned on when I list an item yet I still get lowball offers from time to time. I also block anyone who I think will be trouble. A few weeks ago someone offered me half the price of what I had the item listed for, telling me I will never sell it at that price (despite another seller selling the same item for $5 more than my price a few days before that), so I told them forget it and of someone else bought it 3 days later.

If I wanted to take offers, I'd have Best Offer as an option.

Not related to that but what about people who can't read a description. I'll have a game listing that says "this item is the original version, not the greatest hits version" and then I'll get a message from someone asking if it is the greatest hits version or not. I usually ignore and block those people as well since if they can't read a short description, they are not someone I want to deal with.

Then there are the people who use buy it now, then message me with a question about the item after they bought and paid for the item. Also the people who wait until the last minute to buy a gift and expect it to be delivered it a day or two.

Here's an example of what the type of person I don't want to deal with (actual messages):
"Will you sell it for $10? Ill buy it now."
Then another message from them:
"In case that item is DOA or not working properly, do you refund payment or replace the item?"

Edited by YoshiFan1, 15 June 2012 - 05:09 AM.

[ROB64]

I sold my Skyward Sword box (it stated it was BOX ONLY in the title and in the listing, I wasn't trying to trick anyone) at the beginning of this year, and I got about 6 people who put a $30-50 bid and cancel it minutes later, and one idiot that just told me he wouldn't pay (didn't even ask about cancelling.)

[leecy]

I sold my Skyward Sword box (it stated it was BOX ONLY in the title and in the listing, I wasn't trying to trick anyone) at the beginning of this year, and I got about 6 people who put a $30-50 bid and cancel it minutes later, and one idiot that just told me he wouldn't pay (didn't even ask about cancelling.)

The exact same thing happened to me with a Morrowind case when I first started selling online. Even with BOX ONLY in the title and listing. Also, you have to love the people who win something, never pay, and when you contact them they respond quickly with something like "oh I found it somewhere else."

I just got a neutral feedback that stated "its okay, the disc is a little too scratched but still acceptable". I wrote that it was in rough shape with scratches in the subtitle and listing, and put acceptable as the condition...

[TiKi2]

"In case that item is DOA or not working properly, do you refund payment or replace the item?"

When you see questions like that they are most likely going to try to pull a switch. I got a message like that on amazon on a rare game. "What is your return policy, cause if it doesn't work I'd like to return it, I am excited to get it I really hope it works." The game was listed as very good , but it was more in "like new" condition.

[YoshiFan1]

Yeah I figured they were no good, especially since it was a new item (not that new items can't be broken out of the box but I didn't like right away they asked for a lower price and then asked what happens if the item is broken).

[Vinny]

The exact same thing happened to me with a Morrowind case when I first started selling online. Even with BOX ONLY in the title and listing. Also, you have to love the people who win something, never pay, and when you contact them they respond quickly with something like "oh I found it somewhere else."

I remember back in the day that I got so many fucktards like that.

I guess I should feel lucky that most idiots I deal with these days are honest enough to admit they're stupid (and with that, I just have them request a cancellation and agree to it).

[Elusive]

I stopped using eBay and Paypal because of crap like this. The straw that broke the camel's back was when someone cheated me out of $125 because they switched out the item I sold them with a broken one.

I even said that I wouldn't accept returns like that, but it turns out that eBay doesn't let you do that any more (though I swear they used to - assuming they had enough complaints about scamming that they revoked that right).

[Neuropod]

I remember one time I was selling a game guide (little big planet maybe?) on ebay. Listed in New condition, because it was new, right from the store. Some schlub sent me a message saying he'd buy it for the listed price if I made the shipping free, which I did because it was almost Christmas and I just wanted to get all my listings shipped out asap. Besides which, it was media mail so less than $3.

So I gave the guy free shipping when I really didn't have to, and in the end I got a neutral feedback because the guide had some microscopic shelf-wear that any book sitting around a store shelf for a month or two would have. The feedback was simply: "not quite new per se" or something like that, with no further elaboration or mention of my superior customer service etc.

Needless to say I don't give in to random peoples' requests any more.

[blindinglights]

I've had the condition problem when buying things before. Probably two or three of the PS2/Xbox games I've ordered that were listed as "Like New" or "Very Good" showed up in Block Buster cases with no manual. I pretty much refuse to buy anything with a stock photo now because of that. I'd rather pay a couple dollars extra so I know what's going to come in the mail.

Then you get the idiots that sell nothing but resurfaced disc only games and they list them as "Like New". Pretty frustrating when you're trying to setup an advanced search to weed stuff like that out.

[TiKi2]

I even said that I wouldn't accept returns like that, but it turns out that eBay doesn't let you do that any more (though I swear they used to - assuming they had enough complaints about scamming that they revoked that right).

They still do, it makes no difference what return policy you use. You get 45 day return through ebay and 90 if you charge back. I sold a mini projector that I got back 75 days later. Person opened a claim on the 44th day and didn't escalate it till 3 weeks later. I called ebay and they told me I have to wait for a response from the buyer.

Now ebay/paypal wants to do some kind of escrow thing. You guys should read up on it. Basically the buyer never pays till they are satisfied.

[soonersfan60]

I've had to accept stuff back also, even though I always state no returns, because eBay was just going to do a chargeback and let him keep the item! But what really upset me was that it was a brand new rare board game that I sent out, and get it returned with 2 of the little plastic pieces missing!! eBay wouldn't do anything about it because I couldn't "prove" that every piece was there when I sent it out, even though it was brand new. So $125 board game was essentially worthless with a couple of pieces missing... I think I got like $50 next time around.

[MushaOne]

I sold my Skyward Sword box (it stated it was BOX ONLY in the title and in the listing, I wasn't trying to trick anyone) at the beginning of this year, and I got about 6 people who put a $30-50 bid and cancel it minutes later, and one idiot that just told me he wouldn't pay (didn't even ask about cancelling.)

I hate people like you. They will list a box only but they still list it in the regular game section. So when you try to list all the games lowest first you get 10 idiots selling just a box or just a manual for a game. If youre not selling a game do not list it under the game category!

[TiKi2]

I've had to accept stuff back also, even though I always state no returns, because eBay was just going to do a chargeback and let him keep the item! But what really upset me was that it was a brand new rare board game that I sent out, and get it returned with 2 of the little plastic pieces missing!! eBay wouldn't do anything about it because I couldn't "prove" that every piece was there when I sent it out, even though it was brand new. So $125 board game was essentially worthless with a couple of pieces missing... I think I got like $50 next time around.

That's why I don't want to sell my sealed games on ebay or amazon. I have a bunch of semi rares I was planning to get rid of in the $50-$100 range.

I hate people like you. They will list a box only but they still list it in the regular game section. So when you try to list all the games lowest first you get 10 idiots selling just a box or just a manual for a game. If youre not selling a game do not list it under the game category!

I buy on ebay more than I sell. Alls I can say is : Deal with it
At least he puts in the title that it is box only. I bid on some gba "games" ,title said games , descriptions said "lot of gba games", never said box only anywhere. only at the end it said "no games". I found out that I had bought boxes with no games. But I paid for it cause seller would not cancel.

[Rozz]

I generally don't run into many issues on eBay and Amazon, but I've found the worst Amazon buyers to be more troublesome than the worst eBay buyers. I had one lady buy an Xbox 360 game from me and then she told me it got damaged in the mail. I let her sent it back to me so I can swap it out with another copy and when I looked at the disc there was a circular Xbox 360 burn mark that wasn't there when I shipped it out. I switched out the game anyway because if she went whining to Amazon about it I would lose out on everything (because they generally do not take the seller's word on anything.) After I sent her back another copy of the game (which she broke in the first place) she left me a bad feedback saying the item wasn't as described. So I fixed a problem she caused and then I get penalized for it... Some people are just fucking stupid. And those stupid people unfortunately can waste your time and money and hurt your reputation in the process.

[SaraAB]

90% of the games I buy from ebay or wherever come with discs loose in the case, no idea what is causing this phenomenon either.. the cases aren't damaged.

90% of the games I buy on ebay are also NOT in the listed condition, I never list anything above good because its almost impossible to adhere to ebay's guidelines about condition. They expect a like new game to have not even one mark or scratch on the case, which is virtually impossible to guarantee as games get scratched while they are in the packaging. If you send out a like new game with one scratch then apparently a buyer can come back at you for that and paypal will rule in favor of the buyer.

[lobito72]

It's called "life" deal with it. most people are good people who sell as described or buy without any hassles, but a few are a#%holes who will cheat the system any way possible and screw everyone in the process. My advice, when you find a seller whose good always try and buy from that seller, bad seller block'em same with buyers.

[GBAstar]

That's why I don't want to sell my sealed games on ebay or amazon. I have a bunch of semi rares I was planning to get rid of in the $50-$100 range.



I buy on ebay more than I sell. Alls I can say is : Deal with it
At least he puts in the title that it is box only. I bid on some gba "games" ,title said games , descriptions said "lot of gba games", never said box only anywhere. only at the end it said "no games". I found out that I had bought boxes with no games. But I paid for it cause seller would not cancel.

He's got a point. For example search for "MW3 Hardened Edition" and sort by "new" listings.

I shouldn't have to read through a 100 listings for just the steelbook, founder code, box, etc. when I am interested in the actual hardened edition, complete and new.

It is actually a policy violation to list a parted out item as "new" and tag it to the complete item description.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

90% of the games I buy from ebay or wherever come with discs loose in the case, no idea what is causing this phenomenon either.. the cases aren't damaged.

90% of the games I buy on ebay are also NOT in the listed condition, I never list anything above good because its almost impossible to adhere to ebay's guidelines about condition. They expect a like new game to have not even one mark or scratch on the case, which is virtually impossible to guarantee as games get scratched while they are in the packaging. If you send out a like new game with one scratch then apparently a buyer can come back at you for that and paypal will rule in favor of the buyer.

The loose discs may be caused by people squeezing the cases around the middle part, since that's where the button to release the game from the spindle is. I had a buddy of mines' nephew do this with a couple of my games when he was looking at the artwork the one night.

As for the condition thing, I too have had games or their cases end up with dust or scratches on them regardless of how carefully I've handled them. In the case of PS3 games though, it's definitely nice that they have that hard coating on the discs that's harder to scratch. The only times I've ever really seen scratched up Blu-Rays is when I either bought them from Blockbuster during a sale or bought them from Gamestop used.

[confoosious]

That sounds like CAG a good chunk of the time anymore. That's why I only trade/sell my games to BB or the local indy shops, since most want shit for some stupid lowball amount and SHIPPED for that price no less.

I should make a CAG stupidity thread and see how many people post about being lowballed. I bet it'd hit at least 500 posts within a couple of weeks with no problem.

If you created such a thread, would you stop bitching about being lowballed by CAGs in every other thread you post in? Cause if so, I'm all for it.

I hate people like you. They will list a box only but they still list it in the regular game section. So when you try to list all the games lowest first you get 10 idiots selling just a box or just a manual for a game. If youre not selling a game do not list it under the game category!

I do too. I hate looking for games, seeing it cheap and then realizing it's not the full game cause some fucktard has to list it in the catalog under that game.

They still do, it makes no difference what return policy you use. You get 45 day return through ebay and 90 if you charge back. I sold a mini projector that I got back 75 days later. Person opened a claim on the 44th day and didn't escalate it till 3 weeks later. I called ebay and they told me I have to wait for a response from the buyer.

Now ebay/paypal wants to do some kind of escrow thing. You guys should read up on it. Basically the buyer never pays till they are satisfied.

I've not heard this but hopefully ebay can just keep going down the tubes and they can maybe tailor their service to help buyers who get scammed. Then it'd be safe to sell on ebay again. I'm not holding my breath though.

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You know what else I hate? Asshole who open the game, "played it once" and list it as new. It's not new anymore you dumbass!

[VipFREAK]

It's not needed, pretty obvious and too common.

[Kerig]

An eBay Stupidity thread is as relevant as a "Worthless crap at a garage sale" thread.


I would read that thread, too.

[TiKi2]

I've not heard this but hopefully ebay can just keep going down the tubes and they can maybe tailor their service to help buyers who get scammed. Then it'd be safe to sell on ebay again. I'm not holding my breath though.

Basically from what I read posted somewhere. It works like this.

Buyer "buys" item but doesn't pay for it. Funds are not withdrawn.
Paypal then pays seller. On buyers behalf
Seller ships
Buyer decide if he/she are satisfied within 14 days. Payment gets auto withdrawn on day 14. Or if buyer releases before that.

If this is true, Paypal/ebay are one step away from escrow.

[TiKi2]

He's got a point. For example search for "MW3 Hardened Edition" and sort by "new" listings.

I shouldn't have to read through a 100 listings for just the steelbook, founder code, box, etc. when I am interested in the actual hardened edition, complete and new.

It is actually a policy violation to list a parted out item as "new" and tag it to the complete item description.

If you read his post, the one in which I replied too, he never mentioned anything about "new" listings and neither did I. So I don't know what your point is.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

If you created such a thread, would you stop bitching about being lowballed by CAGs in every other thread you post in? Cause if so, I'm all for it.

Sure thing. But I only mention that as much as I do to try and give people a hint not to even think about trying that with me.

You know what else I hate? Asshole who open the game, "played it once" and list it as new. It's not new anymore you dumbass!

If Gamestop can get away with this sorta shit, then why can't an individual seller? As has been documented before some GS stores do allow their employees to take home games to play.