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#1 Rodimus

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 03:27 AM

For me only twice. Once at a Longhorn Steakhouse, nothing special just plain ol' shitty service, waitress wasn't rude, just very inattentive to the point of negligence. We had our 1 year old with us, which wasn't an issue but still wanted to get the check and get out of there which was taking forever.

Second at a Chili's. I ordered the dry rub ribs and noticed it comes with BBQ dipping sauce. So I get my ribs with no sauce and asked the waitress for it. She gave an attitude, we go back and forth so I finally tell her to grab a menu, point right where it says it comes with dipping sauce. She leaves comes back with the sauce not saying anything, no apology. I didn't even want to touch the sauce at this point, bitch probably spit in it. She didn't attend to us the rest of the night, probably knew a tip wasn't coming her way, and rightly so. Never going back.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 03:29 AM

Sometimes I take the drunk bus back from the bars around campus with my roommates.

Our tips for the driver range from $0 to $1. Most of our phones are blacklisted by now, probably.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 03:36 AM

I can't remember ever not tipping at a restaurant before. I'm sure it's happened once or twice but the stories escape me. I have not tipped bartenders on multiple occasions though.

First story that comes to mind is being at this local bar on a Friday night. There was about 5 different bartenders since it was pretty busy and I was tipping a buck for every beer. Later on in the night I was waiting to get served and a guy in front of me had got his drinks. I think he ordered like 3 or 4 and was going to leave a dollar. He was trying to get the attention of the bartender to give him the dollar, lol.

After that the bartender says something like "Don't waste my time with that dollar" and the guy gets mad and just takes it back. They then start arguing and the bartender ends up having the guy kicked out. I thought it was extremely rude on his part, because while it was only a dollar the guy didn't have to leave that even. After that I just ordered my beer and gave him the exact change. I figured he was too good for my dollar :P

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 03:46 AM

My wife and I have done this a few times. The most recent was at Olive garden, the waiter was twisting our arms to buy some of their cheapass house wine. it got to the point where I had to give him a firm "NO" for him to get it. Didn't see him the rest of the dinner, but then he showed up to drop the check off. He then was hovering over us to se how much we were leaving. Didn't leave a red cent.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 03:48 AM

Once,one of my friends ordered pizza and gave me the money to pay.I thought the tip was covered but it wasn't. Pizza delivery person gave me a look.

I would probably eat out more at sit-down restaurants if I didn't have to tip.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 04:40 AM

lol i laugh at the people who are rude to wait staff. 9 times out of 10 something is going to go into your food that you didn't order and sure as hell don't want.

If you don't tip make sure you don't go back to the same place, or at least the same waiter.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 05:04 AM

lol i laugh at the people who are rude to wait staff. 9 times out of 10 something is going to go into your food that you didn't order and sure as hell don't want.


Most restaurant workers would probably dispute that "9/10" deal. Its obviously happened but if every employee spit into a customer's food or dropped their pubes into their mashed potatoes if the customer did something rude, people would probably be eating spit and pubes on a regular basis. Its probably not something people want to get into the habit of doing, even if they've executed their own justice on customers in the past.


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Posted 19 June 2012 - 05:11 AM

I would probably eat out more at sit-down restaurants if I didn't have to tip.


If you can't afford to tip, then you shouldn't be eating out.



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Posted 19 June 2012 - 05:13 AM

I have on one occasion taken back my tip.

We were the only group in the restaurant and they still didn't give us menus for 10 minutes, it took half an hour for our appetizers to show up and our entrees were undercooked the first try and completely bland on the retry. It ended up being a $40 bill and I left a $5 to be nice. As we're walking out the door, the waitress flips out and hauls ass toward us asking why we didn't tip. We tell her the wait was horrible and the food was bland at best and it just causes her to wig out even worse. At this point she's insulting us and demanding a bigger tip, so I said to myself, "fuck that I'm being a dick" and walk over and pull my $5 off the table and we all walk out never to return.

I usually tip if I feel the service is god and I intend on going back. I still tip, albeit less if the service and food are sub-par. This was a special case where I wanted to emphasize that we were never coming back and I'm willing to be the bad guy in the situation.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 05:17 AM

lol i laugh at the people who are rude to wait staff. 9 times out of 10 something is going to go into your food that you didn't order and sure as hell don't want.

If you don't tip make sure you don't go back to the same place, or at least the same waiter.

The fate of restaurant's reputation on the shoulders of the wait staff. Freaking great.I wonder what would happen if a place switches from having a wait staff to having none at all.Would they prosper or would they fail?I would go to Denny's more often if they got rid of their wait staff.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 05:28 AM

only once i've never tipped.

it was at a buffet in a hotel/casino. my friend and i weren't tended to at all by our waitress (so our plates are just piling up and our drinks are gone).

it also wasn't like we're supposed to do that stuff ourselves since she's actively tending to the other tables around us. interestingly enough, the tables around us were of older people (my friend and i were maybe 20 or 21 at this time).

so i walked out, went to the cashier and asked for change a dollar so i could get a penny.
and we left tipping a penny.

i suppose we did technically tip but it was a way of saying "i know you expect a tip and this is what you deserve."
my friend was saying that if we didn't tip, the waitress probably would've assumed that, since we were younger, that we just forgot. and who knows? maybe she would've continued her bad service to other young adults.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 05:47 AM

its becoming illegal in some places to leave without tipping. kid of a sign of the times a person can give you shit to no service and then expect you to be generous. granted i understand maybe there are other circumstances as to why the server is being douchey but a job is a job and when your pay is dependent on how well you treat people you should deal with personal shit later and do what you can to get paid.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 06:20 AM

Most restaurant workers would probably dispute that "9/10" deal. Its obviously happened but if every employee spit into a customer's food or dropped their pubes into their mashed potatoes if the customer did something rude, people would probably be eating spit and pubes on a regular basis. Its probably not something people want to get into the habit of doing, even if they've executed their own justice on customers in the past.


didn't you all see waiting? As ryan renyolds clearly tells us, you don't fruck with the people who handle your food.

As for a non tip, it's almost the opposite as I tip everyone, subway, fast food. A dollar goes a long way in people remembering you leave them a tip and most others don't. It does get you better service.

but the only times I don't tip (which really is quite rarely) are when something goes horribly wrong and it's the server's fault. I do remember this time at a rave, I went to the bar to get a water and had to wait like 12 minutes as 3 people walked by me with money in my hand. Finally this girl came to me and was like what? I was like water. She turns to get me one and I hand her the cash and turn around to walk away and she grabs my shoulder looking for a tip. I was like whaaaa? and turn to walk away as i threw a dollar in the air over my shoulder. I hope she never got it and someone else used it to pay for a part of their drink.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 06:22 AM

I never tip, but I can never go to the same restaurant twice. Once I use up all the restaurants in an area, I pack up and move. It takes about a year for this to happen. I am a nomad, roaming the land, skipping out on tips in new and exotic locales. Some people skydive, others climb Mount Everest. This is my anti-drug.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 06:46 AM

If you can't afford to tip, then you shouldn't be eating out.


Some people don't believe in the custom of tipping. Here is why:

In some states, wait staff MUST be paid at least minimum wage, so they're making as much if not more than the guy at the gas station. Why tip them but not the guy at the gas station? Wait staff is just doing their job. Tips should be if they do it exceptionally well or go out of their way to do something for you, and not just because of custom.

Even in states where employers can pay under minimum wage and tips can supplement that amount to reach minimum wage, the employer is usually supposed to supplement the paycheck when tips don't bring the server up to minimum wage.

Furthermore, how tips are pooled and who is tipped out to by the wait staff varies by every restaurant. The BOH rarely gets tips and they're the ones cooking your food. Sometimes bus boys work harder than the wait staff and you don't know if they're getting a portion of the tip or not. So those are other possible reasons why not to just tip like a robot, or if you do tip, directly tip the person who did the exceptional service.

I think the one group of people who might get screwed on tips are pizza delivery people because even if there's a delivery charge, the establishment is probably pocketing most of that and the delivery guy is sometimes dipping into his paycheck to service his car without those tips. But in a perfect world, their base pay would be enough to meet minimum wage and cover the car expenses, or at least make the car expenses something to write off on their taxes (assuming their taxes owed are high enough for that to make a difference).

I have to say, after giving it a lot of though, I agree with the idea that customary tipping should be done away with, when I previously believed everyone should tip at a full service place. Despite that, I still abide by the custom of tipping at full service places, and usually a little something at buffets if I'm randomly at one where you pay first then serve yourself and can't leave it with the rest of the check at the end. Usually 18 to 20% at a full service place, 15% if the service wasn't great. Can't remember not tipping but if it was bad enough I wouldn't. Places where I pick up food or counter service varies. Sometimes I throw in a buck, sometimes nothing. I guess by my standards I should tip at the counter too, but Fuck it, I'm not perfect. I do appreciate great service and tip more in those instances, and would still likely tip if I got great service in a situation where tipping wasn't customary.

its becoming illegal in some places to leave without tipping.


Source? Where is it actually against the law by a validly passed and enacted law or ordinance that you must tip?

Some restaurants have mandatory "gratuity" for parties greater than a certain size, but that's just a company policy that's posted in advance, not a law.


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Posted 19 June 2012 - 06:47 AM

Most restaurant workers would probably dispute that "9/10" deal. Its obviously happened but if every employee spit into a customer's food or dropped their pubes into their mashed potatoes if the customer did something rude, people would probably be eating spit and pubes on a regular basis. Its probably not something people want to get into the habit of doing, even if they've executed their own justice on customers in the past.

lol people do eat spit and pubes on a regular basis and they have no idea.
Restaurant jobs are entry level, open to pretty much anyone, ex-cons, criminals, psychos ect,
they don't give a Fuck lol.

I've worked in a alot of restaurants myself and although i've never done stuff like that (mainly becuz I've never had to, outside of the blacks and llithuanians that would wander in, I always got tipped.) I saw it being done on a weekly basis.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 06:54 AM

Some people don't believe in the custom of tipping. Here is why:

In some states, wait staff MUST be paid at least minimum wage, so they're making as much if not more than the guy at the gas station. Why tip them but not the guy at the gas station? Wait staff is just doing their job. Tips should be if they do it exceptionally well or go out of their way to do something for you, and not just because of custom.

Even in states where employers can pay under minimum wage and tips can supplement that amount to reach minimum wage, the employer is usually supposed to supplement the paycheck when tips don't bring the server up to minimum wage.

Furthermore, how tips are pooled and who is tipped out to by the wait staff varies by every restaurant. The BOH rarely gets tips and they're the ones cooking your food. Sometimes bus boys work harder than the wait staff and you don't know if they're getting a portion of the tip or not. So those are other possible reasons why not to just tip like a robot, or if you do tip, directly tip the person who did the exceptional service.

I think the one group of people who might get screwed on tips are pizza delivery people because even if there's a delivery charge, the establishment is probably pocketing most of that and the delivery guy is sometimes dipping into his paycheck to service his car without those tips. But in a perfect world, their base pay would be enough to meet minimum wage and cover the car expenses, or at least make the car expenses something to write off on their taxes (assuming their taxes owed are high enough for that to make a difference).

I have to say, after giving it a lot of though, I agree with the idea that customary tipping should be done away with, when I previously believed everyone should tip at a full service place. Despite that, I still abide by the custom of tipping at full service places, and usually a little something at buffets if I'm randomly at one where you pay first then serve yourself and can't leave it with the rest of the check at the end. Usually 18 to 20% at a full service place, 15% if the service wasn't great. Can't remember not tipping but if it was bad enough I wouldn't. Places where I pick up food or counter service varies. Sometimes I throw in a buck, sometimes nothing. I guess by my standards I should tip at the counter too, but Fuck it, I'm not perfect. I do appreciate great service and tip more in those instances, and would still likely tip if I got great service in a situation where tipping wasn't customary.



Source? Where is it actually against the law by a validly passed and enacted law or ordinance that you must tip?

Some restaurants have mandatory "gratuity" for parties greater than a certain size, but that's just a company policy that's posted in advance, not a law.



a link to stories about people getting arrested for not tipping. it may not be a "law" on book but there are places where people are being arrested for not tipping.

https://www.google.c...lient=firefox-a


http://www.huffingto..._n_1472242.html


http://929jackfm.com...-tipping-video/

ive seen a few recently too but i cant recall where it happened but it seems like its becoming common place in some areas.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 06:56 AM

That's why I prefer fast food (on my dime).

Pretty ridiculous stories on how people think tips are mandatory though.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 06:57 AM

a link to stories about people getting arrested for not tipping. it may not be a "law" on book but there are places where people are being arrested for not tipping.

https://www.google.c...lient=firefox-a

If it's written in the menu then it's basically a contract.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 07:03 AM

If it's written in the menu then it's basically a contract.



thats a bit shady though sneaking in mandatory gratuities like that when they know people wont look for that in a menu. oh well shit is crazy like that these days.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 07:12 AM

a link to stories about people getting arrested for not tipping. it may not be a "law" on book but there are places where people are being arrested for not tipping.

https://www.google.c...lient=firefox-a


http://www.huffingto..._n_1472242.html


http://929jackfm.com...-tipping-video/

ive seen a few recently too but i cant recall where it happened but it seems like its becoming common place in some areas.


A few stories does not make it common place. Those were nearly all examples of the policy being on the menu, and the customers later disagreeing with the policy due to the level of service. In the instances where police were involved, it wasn't because they were enforcing a law about tipping. They were detaining people who failed to pay a bill in full based on the terms of service in the menu. They'd probably have to do the same if someone refused to pay a corkage fee or a split plate fee. These incidents and whatever amount are unreported by the media account for probably such a small percentage of patrons in a mandatory-gratuity-for-large-parties situation. To claim its "practically the law" or even "common place [for people to be arrested for disagreeing with the mandatory gratuity policy]" is a gross over exaggeration of the situation.


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Posted 19 June 2012 - 07:24 AM

A gratuity cannot by definition be required, therefore it is not theft no matter what it says on the menu. It is not commonplace, but when it does happen it should be treated as a civil matter. As expected, charges are often dropped in these rare occurrences. As kodave explains, that is the reason they get attention. People also fail to look for the update, which leads to this idea that people are getting arrested for not tipping.

I tip due to cultural norms, but I don't like it. Considering the pros and cons of a tipping and non-tipping system, I prefer the non-tipping system. The tipping point for me came when I realized that in the tipping system, the majority of people were tipping regardless of service rendered.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 07:54 AM

a link to stories about people getting arrested for not tipping. it may not be a "law" on book but there are places where people are being arrested for not tipping.

https://www.google.c...lient=firefox-a


http://www.huffingto..._n_1472242.html


http://929jackfm.com...-tipping-video/

ive seen a few recently too but i cant recall where it happened but it seems like its becoming common place in some areas.



LMAO... those all involved "Groups" or "parties" and at least two involved college kids (go figure).

I have never seen a story about it being illegal for a person or two sitting down and refusing a tip... primarily because it's not illegal.

It is illegal however to refuse to pay a service charge that is on a menu or a sign as you walk in a restaurant. You're agreeing to pay the built in gratuity when you eat at that establishmen if you dine with more then "X" amount of people. You can't refuse to pay it just because you didn't like your service.


It's just like if you go to a repair shop and they state on their sign that there is a $20 fee just for inspecting an item; even if they don't find anything wrong with it or can't fix the problem---you still have to pay the fee even if you think it is wrong.


Consumers have become idiots. You see it every day in the BB DOTD thread. Just because the deal isn't OMG $5 for a new release this deal suckzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Fucking entitled people. I don't go out often so when I do I tip and damn well.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 07:57 AM

A gratuity cannot by definition be required, therefore it is not theft no matter what it says on the menu. It is not commonplace, but when it does happen it should be treated as a civil matter. As expected, charges are often dropped in these rare occurrences. As kodave explains, that is the reason they get attention. People also fail to look for the update, which leads to this idea that people are getting arrested for not tipping.

I tip due to cultural norms, but I don't like it. Considering the pros and cons of a tipping and non-tipping system, I prefer the non-tipping system. The tipping point for me came when I realized that in the tipping system, the majority of people were tipping regardless of service rendered.



It is a theft of services; how can you argue that it is not? It's no different then a comedy club having a two drink minimum built into your ticket price; you're paying for those drinks whether or not you have them. It is complete douchbaggery to go in there and try to disagree with a written policy after the fact. If you don't like it don't eat there. If you don't have cash don't go into a cash only diner.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 08:16 AM

It is a theft of services; how can you argue that it is not? It's no different then a comedy club having a two drink minimum built into your ticket price; you're paying for those drinks whether or not you have them. It is complete douchbaggery to go in there and try to disagree with a written policy after the fact. If you don't like it don't eat there.

The difference is that a two-drink minimum is not a gratuity. Your business cannot change the definition of gratuity just because you believe you deserve 18% of the bill regardless of merit. The point of the tipping system in the United States is To Insure Proper Service. In the culture of tipping, we have accepted a mandatory gratuity of 18% on parties 8 in size or more, though I doubt you would be convicted of theft if you reneged on those terms. Again, it is a civil matter.

If you feel it is morally wrong, so be it, but you will not be prosecuted for it by a competent prosecutor. I think it is also morally wrong to charge the gratuity but not give adequate service. In any case, the charges against this couple that refused to pay were dropped. http://www.nbcphilad...--71865807.html

John Wagner, 24 and Leslie Pope, 22, were hauled off to jail and charged with theft last month after they refused to pay a $16.35 mandatory service fee charged by the Lehigh Pub on East Fourth Street. The couple only paid $73.87 of the $90.22 bill.

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Northampton County District Attorney John Morganelli said Pope and her friend were right and recommended to Bethlehem police that the charges against the couple be dropped, according to the Allentown Morning Call.

“It would not be the kind of case that should be processed criminally, Morganelli told the paper. “It was one of those matters that should be processed civilly.”


In the two-drink minimum example, you are entering into a contract to purchase two drinks at a later time. Even then, if you fail to uphold the terms of the contract, it is also a civil matter. In my experience, however, the fee for the two drinks was collected at the door, and you receive a ticket to redeem for drinks which makes the whole thing a moot point.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 08:26 AM

The difference is that a two-drink minimum is not a gratuity. Your business cannot change the definition of gratuity just because you believe you deserve 18% of the bill regardless of merit. The point of the tipping system in the United States is To Insure Proper Service. In the culture of tipping, we have accepted a mandatory gratuity of 18% on parties 8 in size or more, though I doubt you would be convicted of theft if you reneged on those terms. Again, it is a civil matter.

If you feel it is morally wrong, so be it, but you will not be prosecuted for it by a competent prosecutor. I think it is also morally wrong to charge the gratuity but not give adequate service. In any case, the charges against this couple that refused to pay were dropped. http://www.nbcphilad...--71865807.html



In the two-drink minimum example, you are entering into a contract to purchase two drinks at a later time. Even then, if you fail to uphold the terms of the contract, it is also a civil matter. In my experience, however, the fee for the two drinks was collected at the door, and you receive a ticket to redeem for drinks which makes the whole thing a moot point.


It's not purely a civil matter. "Theft of services" is in the penal code of many jurisdictions, giving police the right to step in during these types of situations. It's absolutely not what police should be wasting their time with, but I'd imagine in most if not all jurisdictions, the cops will have some ground to step in and even possibly arrest.

But like you said, I'd imagine very few prosecutors would waste their time in situations like these. At least if police get involved, the identities of the customers become known in terms of their names and whatnot so the proprietors can waste their time pursuing the matter civilly too, if the proprietors so choose.


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Posted 19 June 2012 - 08:28 AM

I think the restaurant would lose a hypothetical civil case anyway. I don't think it's worth pursuing for anyone involved.

But here's the problem with calling not paying the gratuity theft of services. What have I stolen by not paying the gratuity? The gratuity, by its very nature, is subjective. I don't see how a judge or jury could consider such a case. If we are talking about a plumber or a mechanic, we can often check the quality of the work done after the fact. But we cannot do this in a restaurant. Unless the entire thing is videotaped, there is nothing to consider.

Another hidden fee that's also not worth pursuing, but annoying nonetheless.

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If I found a rounding adjustment on my bill, I would pay it to avoid a confrontation, but I would withhold the tip.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 08:36 AM

It is a theft of services; how can you argue that it is not? It's no different then a comedy club having a two drink minimum built into your ticket price; you're paying for those drinks whether or not you have them. It is complete douchbaggery to go in there and try to disagree with a written policy after the fact. If you don't like it don't eat there. If you don't have cash don't go into a cash only diner.

I never asked for such service.Screw you.I go to a restaurant for the food and food should be bringing me back.Meanwhile your service keeps driving me away.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 08:50 AM

The difference is that a two-drink minimum is not a gratuity. Your business cannot change the definition of gratuity just because you believe you deserve 18% of the bill regardless of merit. The point of the tipping system in the United States is To Insure Proper Service. In the culture of tipping, we have accepted a mandatory gratuity of 18% on parties 8 in size or more, though I doubt you would be convicted of theft if you reneged on those terms. Again, it is a civil matter.

If you feel it is morally wrong, so be it, but you will not be prosecuted for it by a competent prosecutor. I think it is also morally wrong to charge the gratuity but not give adequate service. In any case, the charges against this couple that refused to pay were dropped. http://www.nbcphilad...--71865807.html



In the two-drink minimum example, you are entering into a contract to purchase two drinks at a later time. Even then, if you fail to uphold the terms of the contract, it is also a civil matter. In my experience, however, the fee for the two drinks was collected at the door, and you receive a ticket to redeem for drinks which makes the whole thing a moot point.

Menus put "mandatory" before gratuity for a reason (which moots your definition of gratuity). Just a nice/sleazy way to say "extra charge".

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