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#1 amoghthegamer

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 05:53 PM

Please sign the petition if you agree! EA and Ubisoft can go SUCK IT!


http://www.ipetition...ea-online-pass/
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#2 blindinglights

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 08:19 PM

This will change nothing. Even with a million signatures.
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#3 David Hibiki

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:26 PM

I wish they didn't exist either, but that's like trying to tell Blizzard to have WoW go free to play with 10+ million subscribers. (The Starter edition is just free crack to get you addicted).

If you can get potentially $10 for every used game sale when you see $0 from used game sales (outside of DLC) why would you make multiplayer free? From a business stand point this makes no sense.

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#4 lokizz

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:41 PM

just buy the games new at a discount problem solved. you think this is bad, and i for one do, it will only get worse over time. who knows what we will have to pay for next gen. i really hate the dlc season passes as well a few have been ok i guess but when they control what price each thing is is it really a value?

#5 Solid Kilvas

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:42 PM

I have to side with EA and Ubisoft on this one. You can't compare the price of a car to a video game. It was a bad move of them to say it's for maintaining online servers, because they shouldn't have to defend themselves to begin with.

Not matter how you slice it buying a used copy of a game is a loss sell to both the publisher and the developer. The online pass system is a good bandage until retail doesn't exist.

In a perfect world the online pass would tie the full game to your account. The disc would be nothing more than for installing or streaming the content on the disc to save space. HDD space is more expensive to me right now than anything.

I think in the future we will see better forms of digital ownership for the consumer that makes both parties happy. Better prices, handling of DLC and more strength of the bond between consumer & developer are all things that will come with full digital distribution.

I wouldn't be surprised if we made the leap to fiber optic streaming than a full console cycle of digital downloads.

Edited by Kilvas09, 28 July 2012 - 10:01 PM.


#6 GBAstar

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:50 PM

I don't buy used so this doesn't effect me and I don't have a problem with the manufacturers trying to get a few dollars out of the used market (i.e. gamestop).

#7 hankmecrankme

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 10:22 PM

99% of my game purchases are from Steam, so I'm a sucker already.

I'd be happy if GFWL would go away. Where's my petition for that?

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#8 Rai Rai

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 10:28 PM

99% of my game purchases are from Steam, so I'm a sucker already.

I'd be happy if GFWL would go away. Where's my petition for that?


Remember when they tried to charge for that shit?

#9 MushaOne

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 10:52 PM

I buy used all the time and I have found that this really isnt a problem. Most of the time its super easy to find the used game still with an unused code. A good percentage of gamers just dont play online so all you need to do is spend an extra minute looking for used copies with an unused code.

#10 bardockkun

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 10:57 PM

It's their games, they have every right to do this if they want. If you don't like it, either don't buy it or don't buy it used. Nothing is accomplished about how you think it's unfair they can't make a profit on your used games.
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#11 rpg

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 11:04 PM

Just buy it used and don't play online problem solved.

i like passes and hope they don't change it to something worse.

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#12 KillerRamen

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 01:43 AM

You can usually find a new game cheaper than used at GameStop... I purchased Resistance 3 for $10 new when GameStop sells it for $25 used.

Solution? Be a cheapassgamer and buy new on the cheap! :p
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#13 Spokker

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 02:19 AM

The only thing that is a bigger waste of time than signing an online petition is spreading the word about an online petition. Criticizing online petitions, however, is a productive use of time.

#14 Spokker

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 02:25 AM

Not matter how you slice it buying a used copy of a game is a loss sell to both the publisher and the developer.

Not necessarily. Just because I buy a discounted used game does not mean I was willing to purchase a new copy had the used copy not existed.

If publishers want to stop used game sales they can. Just stop putting the games on discs. Either shit or get off the pot. If consumers want to stop online passes, they can. Just stop buying games that pull that shit.

But gamers these days are more likely to make a stink about Lara Croft's potential kinda-sorta rape scene and some sensitive bitch journalist being insulted by some ARMA III PR asshole than anti-consumer practices like online passes.

#15 Salamando3000

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 02:29 AM

You want to protest Online passes, here's what you do...Gather up as many people as possible to the cause, and pick out a game that uses online passes. Then everyone goes out and buys the game...but they do not open it. Instead, they wait a week or whatever, and return the game en masse. When asked why, they specifically mention Online Passes. Get enough people, retailers get pissed off, and the chain starts. Petitions...well, they don't really piss off anyone.


#16 KaneRobot

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 10:32 AM

Kind of sad when Call of Duty is the shining example of how to do something right in the industry.

I no longer buy EA games because they sell games on XBLA that have the servers shut down, which is the biggest Fuck-the-buyer scumbag move I've ever seen this generation. Only a matter of time before they get into "buy an online pass for servers that are shut down" territory. It's not like some random guy going into Gamestop is going to know what servers are on and offline.

Vote with your wallet. It won't change anything either, but at least it's more effective than signing a petition.

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#17 MSUHitman

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 02:51 AM

Kind of sad when Call of Duty is the shining example of how to do something right in the industry.

I no longer buy EA games because they sell games on XBLA that have the servers shut down, which is the biggest Fuck-the-buyer scumbag move I've ever seen this generation. Only a matter of time before they get into "buy an online pass for servers that are shut down" territory. It's not like some random guy going into Gamestop is going to know what servers are on and offline.

Vote with your wallet. It won't change anything either, but at least it's more effective than signing a petition.


The minute CoD doesn't sell x million copies day 1 is the same day Activision announces online passes. Only reason it isn't done now.

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#18 MSUHitman

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 02:52 AM

You want to protest Online passes, here's what you do...Gather up as many people as possible to the cause, and pick out a game that uses online passes. Then everyone goes out and buys the game...but they do not open it. Instead, they wait a week or whatever, and return the game en masse. When asked why, they specifically mention Online Passes. Get enough people, retailers get pissed off, and the chain starts. Petitions...well, they don't really piss off anyone.


Yep only way this will get noticed.

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#19 Big McLargeHuge

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 10:35 AM

I'd like to get Petitions for:

DRM of Any Kind

Also more specific petitions wouldn't hurt:

Securom
GFWL
Install Limits
Proprietary Developer/Publisher DRM Schemes (Shame on you!)
Signing up for account before getting to play it, even in single player
Ubisoft DRM .... The Spawn of Satan himself!
Always Online DRM even for single player
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Think online passes are bad? Welcome to PC gaming buddy. Where every major publisher is trying to drive us up the walls so we can go out and get consoles and they never have to port(badly) another console game again. Thanks.

#20 Corvin

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 12:17 PM

The only thing that is a bigger waste of time than signing an online petition is spreading the word about an online petition. Criticizing online petitions, however, is a productive use of time.


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#21 dmaul1114

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 03:00 PM

Honestly, online passes don't bother me that much. I understand that developers/publishers have to find ways to encourage people to buy new as games have huge budgets and they get nothing out of used sales.

I don't think online passes are the best way to do that though. I think doing things like Mass Effect 2 did with giving people who buy new the first few DLCs free is a better way than disabling key features like online play in used versions.

But I get the logic and need to encourage new sales to keep making money and keep making the big budget blockbuster games I enjoy most so I don't really oppose online passes either.

It also doesn't affect me much as anything I want to play online (which isn't much these days--but this was true when gaming online a lot in the past) I'll buy new at or around launch so I can play when the community is most active and not be too far behind the curve and be a newbie up against people with 100s of hours of experience.

#22 DurbanBrown

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 03:05 PM

i dont like them. no one does. but i havent bought an used game in years. except from gamefly. but they come with passes!

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#23 Salamando3000

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 04:23 PM

Anything that increases the amount of time between "I put a disc in my console" and "I actually start playing the game" I could do without. One of the most annoying experiences this console cycle was waiting for the 600MB Catwoman DLC to download before I played Arkham City.


#24 dmaul1114

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 04:41 PM

I do agree with that. But in a generation or two all games will be download only so that will be the norm. Hopefully internet speeds will be upped by then to help though.

And some of that's on the console companies since things download much faster on Xbox Live than PSN.

#25 ElwoodCuse

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 07:49 AM

Honestly, online passes don't bother me that much. I understand that developers/publishers have to find ways to encourage people to buy new as games have huge budgets and they get nothing out of used sales.


This is not the consumers' problem and no one should ever think it is. It's been the law for over 100 years in the US that purchasers of a copyrighted work are free to dispose of it as they choose. Game companies don't get to infringe that right just because they are stupid and have a terrible business model. Maybe if their big budget games were worth playing for more than 8 hours, more people would buy them for full price and hang on to them for a while.

That said, used games are for suckers anyway. The shelf life of new games is nothing except for the a handful of super popular AAA titles like Call of Duty or Madden.
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#26 dmaul1114

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 02:46 PM

I'm not saying anything should change legally. People should be able to sell/trade physical games they buy.

Just saying I get where they're coming from. And people do need to understand if they want series to keep going, developers to stay in business that they need to support them monetarily. That doesn't have to mean paying $60 at launch. Even buying new a few months later when most games have dropped/went on sale for $20-40 is still better in that sense as you're still supporting the developer.

Anyway, I have no problem with people buying used. I've made a lot of use of Goozex this gen before it started sucking this year (don't get matched up for anything any more). I mostly buy new these days and sell games on Amazon after beating them. So I'm not buying used anymore--just no need with only grabbing 5-10 games a year and making real money these days.

But I still take advantage of the used market to resell games since I don't replay and I'm not a collector.I just also don't have much problem with things like online passes, free dlc with new purchases etc. as I understand that developers have to find a way to make money. And I do make effort to always buy my favorite games/series from my favorite developers new at launch to show support.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 08:28 PM

I recently bought Twisted Metal used and the online pass and even the code for a copy of Twisted Metal Black were both unused. Same story goes for when I bought Uncharted 3 used.

Lucked out, I guess.

(or you can buy used from Gamefly and be guaranteed a online pass since they just mail out discs and keep the cases tucked away)

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#28 YayItsJP

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 06:37 AM

I completely agree with the notion behind this petition, however with the way Capitalism works, they'll continue to use the Online Passes until they stop making them money... I'll sign it anyway later today.

I really hate the notion of Online Passes, because it's the same thing as charging someone extra for the keys to a used car they just bought-- it's just silly. Maybe my philosophy is a tad off here, but it just seems like the video game companies are trying to get more money out of the people who can't afford to buy all their games new, people like me who frequent the Used Game Bin at Gamestop. It sucks to have to deal with this because it's cutting into my achievements, but either way I refuse to buy them unless I actually really want to play the game online! [IE: F1 2011]

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#29 JasonTerminator

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 08:31 AM

I completely agree with the notion behind this petition, however with the way Capitalism works, they'll continue to use the Online Passes until they stop making them money... I'll sign it anyway later today.

I really hate the notion of Online Passes, because it's the same thing as charging someone extra for the keys to a used car they just bought-- it's just silly. Maybe my philosophy is a tad off here, but it just seems like the video game companies are trying to get more money out of the people who can't afford to buy all their games new, people like me who frequent the Used Game Bin at Gamestop. It sucks to have to deal with this because it's cutting into my achievements, but either way I refuse to buy them unless I actually really want to play the game online! [IE: F1 2011]


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#30 shadowkast

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 09:47 PM

I have to side with EA and Ubisoft on this one. You can't compare the price of a car to a video game. It was a bad move of them to say it's for maintaining online servers, because they shouldn't have to defend themselves to begin with.

Not matter how you slice it buying a used copy of a game is a loss sell to both the publisher and the developer. The online pass system is a good bandage until retail doesn't exist.

In a perfect world the online pass would tie the full game to your account. The disc would be nothing more than for installing or streaming the content on the disc to save space. HDD space is more expensive to me right now than anything.

I think in the future we will see better forms of digital ownership for the consumer that makes both parties happy. Better prices, handling of DLC and more strength of the bond between consumer & developer are all things that will come with full digital distribution.

I wouldn't be surprised if we made the leap to fiber optic streaming than a full console cycle of digital downloads.


I agree. Though i wish the online passes and such didn't have expiration dates. Or content gets pulled all together a la the saboteur