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#1 Soodmeg

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Posted 19 August 2012 - 09:25 PM

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#2 Soodmeg

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Posted 19 August 2012 - 09:31 PM

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#3 UncleBob

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 02:18 PM

Wow. That guy seems like a genuine douche.

I wonder what kind of idiotic jerks would donate money towards getting him elected....
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#4 dohdough

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 02:50 PM

Wow. That guy seems like a genuine douche.

I wonder what kind of idiotic jerks would donate money towards getting him elected....

It's almost as if your characterization doesn't accurately describe the article...:roll:

Nice of you to pull up an article where Republicans tried to sabotage other Democratic primaries with supporting unknown candidates too!

There's a long history of this kind of shit and if you're going to hang your hat on the argument that only "idiotic jerks" would donate money, you can't absolve the "idiotic jerks" that actually support his platform enough to put him in office, which is different from trolling the electorate. Saying that it's the same shit is superficial and juvenile reasoning.

Nuance, motherfucker. Get some.

#5 UncleBob

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:13 PM

Wondered how long it would take for one of the usual suspects to come out in defense of this.

Nice of you to pull up an article where Republicans tried to sabotage other Democratic primaries with supporting unknown candidates too!

There's a long history of this kind of shit and if you're going to hang your hat on the argument that only "idiotic jerks" would donate money, you can't absolve the "idiotic jerks" that actually support his platform enough to put him in office, which is different from trolling the electorate. Saying that it's the same shit is superficial and juvenile reasoning.

Nuance, motherfucker. Get some.


Besides, Akins' comments put him far, far beyond "Idiotic jerk" category.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:15 PM

So the question was asked "what is illegitimate rape"
I asked my lady since she's in EMS and sees a lot of interesting things in her line of work. There's a girl that trolls "over forty under twenty" type sites and gets guys to come over to her place. If they don't pay her, she calls the cops and makes a rape claim. That would be illegitimate rape. That's from a woman too.
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#7 dohdough

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:32 PM

Wondered how long it would take for one of the usual suspects to come out in defense of this.

Now where did I defend it? Did I say that it was excusable or in anyway ok?

Did my argument go over your head or are you just trolling?

Besides, Akins' comments put him far, far beyond "Idiotic jerk" category.

What does this have to do with anything when your initial argument was that we should be blaming the Democrats for this?

#8 UncleBob

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:36 PM

"lolz"

I didn't say we should be "blaming the Democrats for this."

We should be blaming the Democrats for donating money to such a man - just like we would if they were, say, Chick-fil-a.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:47 PM


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#10 dmaul1114

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:50 PM

So the question was asked "what is illegitimate rape"
I asked my lady since she's in EMS and sees a lot of interesting things in her line of work. There's a girl that trolls "over forty under twenty" type sites and gets guys to come over to her place. If they don't pay her, she calls the cops and makes a rape claim. That would be illegitimate rape. That's from a woman too.


That's a false accusation. Illegitimate rape is kind of a silly term to use for such a situation since there was no rape.

#11 camoor

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:50 PM

Wow. That guy seems like a genuine douche.

I wonder what kind of idiotic jerks would donate money towards getting him elected....


That's actually really interesting.

I'm actually glad to see the Dems playing a little hardball and using the ignorant hicks in the Republican primary to their own advantage, hoisting them on their own petard as it were. Well played Dems, well played indeed.

#12 UncleBob

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:53 PM

Oh, hey, look - I make a post directly related to the OP and then the post degrades to bickering and insults aimed at me.

Pretty soon, one of the regulars will come in here and complain about how I ruined another thread.
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#13 dohdough

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:54 PM

"lolz"

I didn't say we should be "blaming the Democrats for this."

We should be blaming the Democrats for donating money to such a man - just like we would if they were, say, Chick-fil-a.

So trolling it is?

I guess you assume that Obama meant "business" instead of infrastructure as well?:roll:

How would it make any kind of sense that "this" would mean the comments that came out of the candidates mouth as if the Democrats are equally to blame? How is this any different from my argument that you're strictly blaming Democrats for this when you just literally said that we should be should be blaming Democrats? And didn't I just enumerate what the differences were? It's in my very first post in this thread.

Seriously, what the Fuck is wrong with you?

#14 dmaul1114

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:55 PM

That's actually really interesting.

I'm actually glad to see the Dems playing a little hardball and using the ignorant hicks in the Republican primary to their own advantage, hoisting them on their own petard as it were. Well played Dems, well played indeed.


It's shitty when that happens, but it goes both ways. Stories of Republicans doing the same, encouraging their base to vote in the Democratic primary in open primary states when they have an incumbent and want the weakest candidate to get the Democratic nomination etc.

Just one of the many underhanded things that go on in politics today.

Edited by dmaul1114, 21 August 2012 - 04:07 PM.


#15 UncleBob

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:56 PM

"as if the Democrats are equally to blame?"

Oh, hey, there DD goes putting words in my mouth again.
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#16 dohdough

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:10 PM

"as if the Democrats are equally to blame?"

Oh, hey, there DD goes putting words in my mouth again.

And your point wasn't to merely vilify Democrats for trying to manipulate an election in their favor and therefore more than tangentially responsible for the comments?

Go Fuck yourself.

#17 UncleBob

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:16 PM

As I clearly stated before - they're not responsible for the comments, but they are fully responsible for where they give money to. Period.

Sorry if that hurts your feelings or something. It's like you're taking it personal that Democratic leaders would give money towards the election of a man who would say something so stupid as the comments made by Akins.
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#18 dohdough

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:26 PM

As I clearly stated before - they're not responsible for the comments, but they are fully responsible for where they give money to. Period.

You didn't "clearly state" jack shit. And you think that THIS argument is somehow better than the one that I gave you an out on when I said "tangentially?" You ARE a fucking moron.

Sorry if that hurts your feelings or something. It's like you're taking it personal that Democratic leaders would give money towards the election of a man who would say something so stupid as the comments made by Akins.

The only thing I take personally is seeing how dumb you are even when I give you an out with you not taking it.

#19 UncleBob

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:30 PM

You didn't "clearly state" jack shit.


"lolz"
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#20 dmaul1114

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:37 PM

The whole point was to donate money to someone who would say stupid things and make it easier for the Dems to win.

Now they just gotten even more bang for their buck as it's not only impacting the Missouri senate race, but has gotten national attention, put more fire on the "Republican's hate women" argument and making it easier for Dems to keep focus off the economy/jobs.

Not saying I like the practice, but it's worked out grand for the Dems.

#21 camoor

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:41 PM

It's shitty when that happens, but it goes both ways. Stories of Republicans doing the same, encouraging their base to vote in the Democratic primary in open primary states when they have an incumbent and want the weakest candidate to get the Democratic nomination etc.

Just one of the many underhanded things that go on in politics today.


I think it all stems from too much money in politics.

Take out the money and you won't be able to play these type of games as effectively. Advertising will need to get leaner, more focused and more targeted, politicians will have to go back to talking about the issues instead relying on slick multimillion dollar smear campaigns.

Republicans are interesting as a party, in that the closer you get to their base the stupider and more ignorant the members become. Dems are realizing this and killing the weed at the root.

#22 UncleBob

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:41 PM

Agreed - worked out wonderfully for the Democrats.

It's yet another example of running against the other guy instead of running on the issues. Which, if you'll excuse the phrase, "both sides do it".
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#23 dmaul1114

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:51 PM

I think it all stems from too much money in politics.

Take out the money and you won't be able to play these type of games as effectively. Advertising will need to get leaner, more focused and more targeted, politicians will have to go back to talking about the issues instead relying on slick multimillion dollar smear campaigns.

Republicans are interesting as a party, in that the closer you get to their base the stupider and more ignorant the members become. Dems are realizing this and killing the weed at the root.


Agree 100%. We need much stronger regulation of money that goes into campaigns, and lower caps.

There's no need for so much advertising. Have more debates, town halls etc. Force voters to watch, read the news etc. to be informed and not just vote on a bunch of ads full of inaccuracies etc.

#24 dohdough

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:57 PM

"lolz"

And this contradicts my posts how?

Is electioneering a loss for a shitty candidate the same as corporate donations to hate groups?

Agreed - worked out wonderfully for the Democrats.

It's yet another example of running against the other guy instead of running on the issues. Which, if you'll excuse the phrase, "both sides do it".

Which is still different from your initial argument! What did I say about nuance again?

#25 UncleBob

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:58 PM

There's no need for so much advertising.


...like buying an entire satellite TV channel to do nothing but loop your commercials 24/7? :D

I've been wondering if either of the two major candidates would do that again this year.
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#26 UncleBob

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 05:04 PM

And this contradicts my posts how?


Umm.. that whole part where you said I didn't clearly state exactly what I clearly stated.

Is electioneering a loss for a shitty candidate the same as corporate donations to hate groups?


The same? No.

But the reaction should be the same - if you give money to a cause that uses that money to spread hate, you don't get to magically shrug off the repercussions of where you spent your money.

Which is still different from your initial argument! What did I say about nuance again?

You're right, DD - every coin can only have one side ever.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 05:11 PM

Wow. That guy seems like a genuine douche.

I wonder what kind of idiotic jerks would donate money towards getting him elected....


not sure it matters to your "gotcha" points but he already WAS elected to the house w/o democratic help.

#28 Clak

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 05:18 PM

Agree 100%. We need much stronger regulation of money that goes into campaigns, and lower caps.

There's no need for so much advertising. Have more debates, town halls etc. Force voters to watch, read the news etc. to be informed and not just vote on a bunch of ads full of inaccuracies etc.

It'd be like voter suppression for stupid people!:lol:
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#29 dohdough

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 05:44 PM

Umm.. that whole part where you said I didn't clearly state exactly what I clearly stated.

You mean the part where you said that you don't blame them, but you "blame" them? How is that not operationally the same and your typical double-speak? You don't get credit for using dick fingers (" ").

And no. It's not clearly stating something when we all know that you're implying something different from what you're saying.

The same? No.

But the reaction should be the same - if you give money to a cause that uses that money to spread hate, you don't get to magically shrug off the repercussions of where you spent your money.

Yes, let's treat one action with different intents and outcomes in the exact same manner.:roll:

You're right, DD - every coin can only have one side ever.

You like projecting, don't you!

Fuck it, I'm done wither way. Thanks for the distraction.

#30 UncleBob

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 05:54 PM

You mean the part where you said that you don't blame them, but you "blame" them? How is that not operationally the same and your typical double-speak?


Wow, really?

Are you unable to separate, in your mind, the actions of the Democratic party in giving Akins the money and the actions of Akins when it comes to the words he chose to use?

Because those are two totally different things.
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