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NHL 2012-2013 Season- Let's do this. Games start January 19


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#1 NinjaPenguin777

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 12:00 AM



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Hockey is back on

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#2 n8rockerasu

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 12:51 AM

They'd be crazy to lockout the whole season. You have to remember, this was the owners doing this. The players were fine just renewing the existing deal. The owners are trying to claim that they've been losing money, but everything I've seen has shown an increase in revenue since the last lockout. Another factor and HUGE money maker that they didn't have in 2005 was the Winter Classic. Losing the revenue that that event brings in would just be foolish. It's sad, but it appears that both sides will have to start losing money before they can begin to work together. But my guess is we'll see hockey before Thanksgiving.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 05:00 AM

But but but.......L.A Kings banner ceremony!!! We've been waiting for 45 years!!!:cry:
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#4 shieryda

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 06:16 PM

Has a 2012-13 thread been started yet? I'd be happy to, unless anyone has any objections.

#5 jello44

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 07:31 PM

Has a 2012-13 thread been started yet? I'd be happy to, unless anyone has any objections.


I'd hold off for now, there might not even be a season.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 10:31 PM

It could always be updated with news from the talks.
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#7 n8rockerasu

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 11:44 PM

It could always be updated with news from the talks.


Yeah, but there's only so many times you can post "Millionaires arguing".

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:20 AM

Man, I'd love to cross check Bettman into the boards.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:42 AM

We could post videos of Stamkos doing the Gary Roberts workout.

#10 NinjaPenguin777

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 02:38 AM

The league posted record revenues: 3.3 billion. The owners would be absolutely stupid to lockout the league. The NHL has been on the rise since the last lockout and another one would kill that. I don't understand why the owners want the players to take such a big cut. 57/43 is a lot for the players which is the current one, but why the hell cant they compromise at 50/50 or 49/51? Greedy bastards all around might cost us hockey

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 04:33 AM

But they will...

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 08:02 AM

The league posted record revenues: 3.3 billion. The owners would be absolutely stupid to lockout the league. The NHL has been on the rise since the last lockout and another one would kill that. I don't understand why the owners want the players to take such a big cut. 57/43 is a lot for the players which is the current one, but why the hell cant they compromise at 50/50 or 49/51? Greedy bastards all around might cost us hockey


The split already is 50/50 if you look at total revenue and not "hockey related revenue" as they want to define it

It's rich people telling less-rich people they'll get nothing and like it, welcome to capitalist America
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:06 PM

One more week...

#14 NinjaPenguin777

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 12:38 AM

The split already is 50/50 if you look at total revenue and not "hockey related revenue" as they want to define it

It's rich people telling less-rich people they'll get nothing and like it, welcome to capitalist America


Oh ok. I wasn't sure of the specifics.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 01:53 PM

No official lock-out, just no new CBA and more talks to be scheduled before training camps begin:

http://www.nhl.com/i...s.htm?id=641628

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 02:18 PM

I'm not sure I understand that distinction, shieryda. Especially when the news reports are all saying "lock out," along with the unanimous NHL owners' vote from Thursday.
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Posted 16 September 2012 - 02:42 PM

I think it is that they have till the training camps start to get a CBA. If they don't have one by then, then the lockout starts. With the way both sides are acting I don't see an agreement before then.
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Posted 16 September 2012 - 11:47 PM

Well we got players signing over in Europe already. Any guesses on when the NHL will start up? I'm going to guess November. Deep inside though I fear there will be no NHL until after the new year.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 05:31 AM

No official lock-out, just no new CBA and more talks to be scheduled before training camps begin:

http://www.nhl.com/i...s.htm?id=641628


Yeah, that's more of a technicality than anything. All it means is that nothing has had to be officially cancelled yet. But Bettman stated numerous times, without a new CBA, there will be no hockey. I'd also be surprised if either side is very eager to talk at this point. It seems the writing is on the wall.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 03:42 PM

Seems like Bettman and the owners don't even want to have a season just to stick it to the players. The people it hurts more though are the fans. I'm wondering if the NHL can even recover. Hell if their is a season I might just say the hell with it and start watching the CHL team St. Charles MO just got.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 03:55 PM

Players have a point - the last CBA they accepted was hand delivered by the NHL, so it's the owners' design.

In that time, popularity and profits have only grown. Now they want to roll it back to benefit the owners. It makes sense in that smaller market teams have a hard time being profitable (maybe you shouldn't have matched Philly's offer on Shea Weber, then, Nashville). Bettman's expansion experimentalism has not worked, so perhaps it's time to move teams like Phoenix to areas where they are wanted and will do well.

Propping up failed markets on the backs of players is poor policy. We'll either have hockey around Thanksgiving, or not at all.

Can someone who recalls the 2004 lockout tell me when the season was formally cancelled? I didn't really watch at the time.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 06:45 PM

Yeah, that's more of a technicality than anything. All it means is that nothing has had to be officially cancelled yet. But Bettman stated numerous times, without a new CBA, there will be no hockey. I'd also be surprised if either side is very eager to talk at this point. It seems the writing is on the wall.


That is what I implied. That the entire season hadn't been cancelled yet.

#23 Nifty_Shark

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 07:20 PM

The season in 04-05 was cancelled sometime in February though I don't remember the date. I remember cause it was around my birthday.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 05:31 PM

ahh bloodshit! I was really looking forward to this season...
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 11:57 PM

It makes sense in that smaller market teams have a hard time being profitable (maybe you shouldn't have matched Philly's offer on Shea Weber, then, Nashville). Bettman's expansion experimentalism has not worked, so perhaps it's time to move teams like Phoenix to areas where they are wanted and will do well.


That's kind of a shitty argument because the entire purpose of the salary cap is to prevent things like that from happening. Nashville had no choice but to match the Weber offer. If they hadn't, it would basically be telling fans "Hey, you know that winning we've been doing lately? Yeah...we can't afford to keep that up. Hope you still come to the games!" Not matching offers like that just causes small market teams to become farm clubs for big market teams.

And when the league reaches that level, what's the point? At least Nashville could recognize that you have to spend money to make money. Even if they didn't like it, it was the right move to make...and like I said, their only other option is to let their biggest star and team captain leave, and lose the revenue from fan support. Either way, the team takes a hit financially.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 12:41 AM

So, based on that logic, why didn't they keep Suter?
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Posted 20 September 2012 - 01:40 AM

So, based on that logic, why didn't they keep Suter?


They tried. But Suter took the deal without giving Nashville a chance to match it. Plus, he's from Wisconsin (and his wife grew up in Minnesota). He got a chance to make a lot of money and play closer to his wife and kids for the rest of his career. It's not exactly shocking that he'd take that offer.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 01:50 AM

oh, duh. unrestricted vs restricted. my mistake; that explains that.
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Posted 20 September 2012 - 05:09 PM

I'm pissed because Frozen Fury is canceled. I have a ticket, and I wanted to see my Stanley Cup champs open up their preseason in Vegas.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 01:45 AM

I'm pissed because Frozen Fury is canceled. I have a ticket, and I wanted to see my Stanley Cup champs open up their preseason in Vegas.


Yup, the Preds game my wife got us tickets for got cancelled too. This is such a stupid lockout. I get that the teams need financial stability. But without the players, you have no product. Unless they want to march a bunch of beer league players out there and see if people will pay to watch them kill each other and fall down a lot.

When the league is increasing revenue, that should be a sign that you're doing something right. Why would you overhaul of the system completely in that case? You just need some tweaking. At the very least, if the owners are going to argue that player salaries need to come down, then they should also be arguing that ticket prices and merchandise would come down. After all...if it's because of "the economy", then that should apply across the board.

And really, if the split was already 50/50, then that should be good enough. But as high as the owners would go was 46%. So, they think they bring more to the game than the players do... Come on. If the NHL didn't exist, the players could still make a decent living playing in Europe (as many of them are). What the hell would the owners do if the league didn't exist? 50/50 is as fair as you're going to get. And now they're losing money just out of spite. It's stupid.