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[detectiveconan16]

Yes, just as eating fried chicken is supposed to be an assault on gay marriage, eating fucked up pizza is good enough to show your hate for health care. http://www.nationalr...an-kay-melchior

[Clak]

Schnatter and his nasty pizza. I'll go to a local place and show my appreciation for how they haven't helped make pizza the cheap shit it's become.

[dohdough]

I think that we can all agree that he's a piece of shit. It's rather telling of a society when rather than giving the employees access to more affordable healthcare, especially since he needs them to build his ever growing fortune, he's celebrated for it. I couldn't give a if 15 cents is 30% of his NET profit. Between this news and the bullshit in the Hostess thread, it's a goddamn travesty that there's so much hate for fellow American workers.

[Temporaryscars]

[Clak]

I'll give it to the folks running things, they've managed to turn people against each other in a way that I don't think any of us have seen in our lifetimes. You have people defending companies headed by businessmen who are more concerned about money than people, and shitting on the people who are the ones actually enabling that company to make it's money. And I'm not even talking about a particular company, just pick one. For every one Costco, that treats people with at least a sliver of decency, there is another Wal-Mart trying to them over. It makes me sick to think this is what we've become.

[Temporaryscars]

So do you think they should eat the extra cost or raise prices?

[Clak]

Either way, I don't care. If it means that people can get decent health care, then they can raise prices if they need to. This is what I don't understand. In a non-fucked up world, people would be applauding a company that gave it's workers health care, even at a slightly raised price on products. Those people would understand that paying a few extra cents per pizza was allowing people to have a better standard of life. But no, instead we get what we have today.

I feel like the captain from Cool Hand Luke...

[Temporaryscars]

I get what you mean. It's a sad story all around. It's hard for me to have an opinion on the matter (except, you know, that the whole situation kinda sucks) without knowing PJ's finances. On one hand, I think studies show that happy and healthy workers translates to better business, on the other, it's his business and he can run it as he wishes. If people don't like how he runs it, then they can just not go there. Conversely, if people like what he's doing, then they can support it. Each side will think the other is wrong for doing so.

I laugh because of all the comments about the quality of his pizza.

[panzerfaust]

It's just an odd thing to support, is all. Businesses have been compensating for the recession for years now, and prices have naturally been going up. Little Caesar's crazy bread went from its delicious $1.00 price point to nearly $2.00, for example. So if businesses everywhere are hurting and raising prices, it says something about people who choose to support just the one who charges a few more cents on a platform against something like health care. Where compensating for a rough economy wasn't news before, now it's a principal worth having a national holiday for. Has nothing to do with the actual costs.

Also strange that in these times people can afford a delivery of Papa John's, which is a week's worth of groceries.

[Temporaryscars]

I'm pretty sure these are the same people who booed the golden rule during the repub primaries.

[irideabike]

Their pizza is so nasty. Why anyone would go there rather than hitting up their local non franchised pizza place is beyond me.

[camoor]

1. Make elitist/homophobic/racist comment
2. ???
3. Profit!

Congrats to the CEOs of Chick-Fil-A and Papa Johns for figuring out #2. They deserve a special seat in hell.

[dopa345]

Obamacare is absolutely going to be a debacle. I say this as a physician practicing in Massachusetts and I have an MBA in health care policy.

[RedvsBlue]

If it wasn't for Republicans we could have full on socialized health care like the vast majority of other first world countries (and even some 3rd world ones...) but they just have to further their government is enemy rhetoric...

[dohdough]

Obamacare is absolutely going to be a debacle. I say this as a physician practicing in Massachusetts and I have an MBA in health care policy.

And yet, you don't understand how the claims process works.

If it wasn't for Republicans we could have full on socialized health care like the vast majority of other first world countries (and even some 3rd world ones...) but they just have to further their government is enemy rhetoric...

I hate to say that I actually disagree with this. The current iteration of the Democratic party is still an overly corporate-friendly entity. The advocates are a loud ineffectual minority. They're as apt to listen to Kucinich as they are to listen to Ron Paul, but even Paul wields more influence in his party. Believe me, I wish it wasn't true.

[Cantatus]

Obamacare is absolutely going to be a debacle. I say this as a physician practicing in Massachusetts and I have an MBA in health care policy.

Care to elaborate?

[usickenme]

Obamacare is absolutely going to be a debacle. I say this as a physician practicing in Massachusetts and I have an MBA in health care policy.

Are you a specialist? Cause those guys have been whining about it for years after riding the gravy train.

[cancerman1120]

http://www.huffingto..._n_2133050.html

I live about 15 miles from the closest one and I am going to go there for my birthday next week after reading this. It is almost the perfect argument for healthcare. Small businesses that are doing the right thing will be on a more level playing field than these huge corporations that just put profit over person.

"Martin, a part owner of Ian’s Pizza, a pizza shop with four locations in Wisconsin, said his business has offered full heath care coverage to its 50 full-time employees for years, making it all the more difficult to compete with national chains like Papa John's that pay workers low wages without health benefits. If a small business can pay health insurance than Papa John's can. They are only not doing it because of greed and nothing else.

"This may level the playing field for us,” Martin said of the Papa John's price hike. “If they have to pay for benefits, and that pushes their prices up closer to ours, it will justify what we’ve been paying for and what we’ve been fighting to do the past few years.” (Ian's knows a bit about fighting, having fed demonstrators free slices during last year's protests in Madison.)"

[SpeedyG]

My secret confession is, I don't hate Papa John's Pizza. Don't get me wrong, it's fast food pizza like Pizza Hut or Marco's. But it's not bad for fast food pizza.

[Temporaryscars]

If it wasn't for Republicans we could have full on socialized health care like the vast majority of other first world countries (and even some 3rd world ones...) but they just have to further their government is enemy rhetoric...

How's that European economy doing?

[davo1224]

Doesn't seem like it's doing that bad considering the Euro has been better than the American dollar for nearly a decade.

[The Crotch]

Currency value is not the best indicator of the health of an economy...

[detectiveconan16]

European countries have actually learned to waste less money per capita in regards to health care. You don't hear on the news about how health care costs are going to screw over their respective economies. Just the supposedly "long lines" and crap at emergency rooms, which is basically the same here.

Besides, I sort of think Romney was right about how states also have to have a role in providing health care for Americans. Some states have a system set up for small business owners to help them find comprehensive plans that fit their needs and budgets. In New York City, there's such a site that sets out to do that. Obviously, some states have a piss poor record with their social services, leading some people to start complaining about how this new mandate is going to them. If Papa John's can afford to give out two million pizzas, he can seriously afford the health care for his employees.

[Msut77]

Care to elaborate?

He won't and I don't think he has the capacity quite frankly to either.

[Clak]

Really unprofessional to wave your dick about credentials and then add nothing of substance. I might as well claim to be a nuclear physicist.

[RedvsBlue]

How's that European economy doing?

Not much worse than ours sadly... You also left out Canada, Australia, China, and a multitude of other 1st world countries with universal healthcare and currently strong economies. Basically, you can't lay all of the blame of a weak economy on providing health care to citizens.

Furthermore, 60% of bankruptcies are based on medical bills so how helpful are bankruptcies to strengthening an economy?

On a completely unrelated note, while I do appreciate that John Schnatter built this company and deserves to be wealthy. Anyone that can pull enough capital out of their company to build this



but is concerned about health care reducing his profits per pizza by $.13 has some serious issues in his business plan.

[dohdough]

After following your link on the Hostess thread, there was another article stating that it's actually closer to $.04. el oh el

[camoor]

On a completely unrelated note, while I do appreciate that John Schnatter built this company and deserves to be wealthy. Anyone that can pull enough capital out of their company to build this



but is concerned about health care reducing his profits per pizza by $.13 has some serious issues in his business plan.

That moat is not going to build itself.

[mykevermin]

Well, if he weren't already dead, the pisspoor state of journalism calling itself the National Review today would have killed William F. Buckley dead.

Picture Buckley grabbing a "meat lover's special" from the soggy white cardboard of a Papa John's box.

Yeah. That would have happened.

[Spokker]

I have a high deductible HSA plan so I'm rolling in the fucking insurance now baby. Bring it on, cancer.