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#1 detectiveconan16

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 11:15 PM

In an Ohio school district, a unanimous vote cleared the way to arm janitors. http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1238799

Seriously? They're going to let those unionized thugs who clean up after those ingrate children carry guns onto school in an effort to protect everyone? :applause:

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#2 irideabike

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 05:36 AM

at least someone will be able to shoot back if anyone ever tried to shoot up their school, rather than follow protocol turning off the lights hoping the gun man goes "ahhh durrr I guess no one is in the school the lights are off durrr"

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 05:42 PM

Hell yeah man, give those motherfuckers guns. Maybe if they all start shooting they'll hit the bad guy. Fuck yeah!

God damn we're a stupid people...:roll:
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:25 PM


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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:10 PM

teach them some chemistry so they can use their cleaning products as weapons, or explosive to make holes in the walls.

i forgot most of chem so im talking out of my ass.




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Posted 14 January 2013 - 02:45 PM

Hell yeah man, give those motherfuckers guns. Maybe if they all start shooting they'll hit the bad guy. Fuck yeah!

God damn we're a stupid people...:roll:


Right, because they're not cops, they automatically suck at shooting, and therefore, aren't qualified to protect innocent people. :roll:

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:28 PM

Right, because they're not cops, they automatically suck at shooting, and therefore, aren't qualified to protect innocent people. :roll:


But are they actually qualified? Becoming a police officer requires extensive firearms training and a background check. Armed security guards generally have the same expected of them. Is this level of scrutiny being given to these janitors or are they just allowing them to carry guns on school property?

Because, let's be honest, these guys were hired to clean schools, not to provide security. Regardless of whether or not this is necessary, I think the ideal of making sure our children are protected is a laudable one. I just think being lazy about it like this is potentially dangerous and likely to accomplish the opposite.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:38 PM

Oh no, I'm sure they're awesome shots. Moving a mop across a floor every day has probably sharpened they're eyesight and steadied their hands a great deal.

Janitors at the K-12 campus of the school in Montpelier, a town of about 4,000 people, will now be able to pack heat after completing a two-day handgun training course.

Two day course, they'll be fucking sharpshooters after that.

The only thing I don't understand is why they're limiting it to janitors, why not the lunch ladies too? They at least deserve a shotgun, gotta put down those food fights somehow.
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#9 UncleBob

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 10:00 PM

Come on, guys! They're janitors! Obviously they're worthless and not worthy of respect. If they were, they wouldn't be janitors.

This is the same kind of BS that our esteemed members of vs. spout off on a regular basis towards those who have a job that they feel to be below them.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 11:53 PM

But are they actually qualified? Becoming a police officer requires extensive firearms training and a background check. Armed security guards generally have the same expected of them. Is this level of scrutiny being given to these janitors or are they just allowing them to carry guns on school property?

Because, let's be honest, these guys were hired to clean schools, not to provide security. Regardless of whether or not this is necessary, I think the ideal of making sure our children are protected is a laudable one. I just think being lazy about it like this is potentially dangerous and likely to accomplish the opposite.


I'm sure they're not handing guns to convicted felons. I believe the schools in Utah (I think Utah) gave training to all the teachers would wanted to carry a firearm. I'm sure the janitors have to do the same.

Also, "extensive firearm training" doesn't mean much. I know friends that go to the range more than some of the cops I know. Who do you think is going to be a better shot? A cop who has spent 10 years writing traffic tickets, or the janitor who visits the range once a week?

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:32 AM

I'm sure they're not handing guns to convicted felons. I believe the schools in Utah (I think Utah) gave training to all the teachers would wanted to carry a firearm. I'm sure the janitors have to do the same.


They're getting a "two-day handgun training course". I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that's slightly less than what is required of a police officer or security guard.

And I'm sure they're not giving guns to felons, but what sort of oversight is there? Are they doing mental health checks? Background checks? How often?

Also, "extensive firearm training" doesn't mean much. I know friends that go to the range more than some of the cops I know. Who do you think is going to be a better shot? A cop who has spent 10 years writing traffic tickets, or the janitor who visits the range once a week?


This is pretty irrelevant unless it is what is being required of the janitor. And even if that officer has been just writing tickets for 10 years, so long as he is carrying a firearm, he is required to requalify for its use annually in Ohio.

I still go back to the fact that this isn't what these people were hired to do. I can understand the desire for our children to be able to learn in a safe environment, but this is a slap-dash fix. These men and women were hired to keep our schools clean, not our children safe. If our schools desire to have armed protection, they should hire men and women who are trained to do so, and not do it in a lazy and ridiculous fashion that potentially comes with its own dangers.

#12 UncleBob

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:39 AM

I'll admit to not being up on this kind of thing, but don't schools normally do background checks on employees as they're hired in?
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 01:52 AM

If you imagine a John McClane type janitor who's having a bad day because of terrorists invading the school, this idea becomes all the more entertaining.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 02:16 AM

It's a stupid idea to mandate arming anyone that doesn't want to be. It's about as useful as conscripting cops.
"Hey, you over there. We need a new cop and your it. Here is your gun and your training starts in the morning."

Training and arming people motivated and interested in protecting kids at school that already work there is another issue entirely.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 02:21 AM

It's a stupid idea to mandate arming anyone that doesn't want to be. It's about as useful as conscripting cops.
"Hey, you over there. We need a new cop and your it. Here is your gun and your training starts in the morning."

Training and arming people motivated and interested in protecting kids at school that already work there is another issue entirely.



1) I don't believe they are requiring anyone to carry a gun

2) I don't think they (the schools) are just giving guns out

3) Janitors do more then mop floors; in most schools they are responsible for the grounds (boilers, safety checks, transportation, etc.) but regardless why are we shitting on their profession?

4) If someone is deemed worthy to legally carry a gun why not let them? You want to do a comparison of murders convicted by those who have CWP vs those that do not?


Edit: Some of you liberals are a lost cause. I didn't read the article before I posted but now that I have I'm so ashamed for you. It clearly states in the article (more then once) that they will be "allowed" to be armed.

It doesn't once mention that they will be required (i.e. mandated) or that they will be given guns. Why are you so fucking stupid?

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 02:25 AM

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 02:26 AM

4) If someone is deemed worthy to legally carry a gun why not let them? You want to do a comparison of murders convicted by those who have CWP vs those that do not?


Why not indeed.
Probably because we now find ourselves living in a country full of those that believe demonizing and putting people in danger for doing nothing but obeying the laws they disagree with, is not only acceptable but trendy and cool.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 02:30 AM

Oh no, I'm sure they're awesome shots. Moving a mop across a floor every day has probably sharpened they're eyesight and steadied their hands a great deal.
Two day course, they'll be fucking sharpshooters after that.

The only thing I don't understand is why they're limiting it to janitors, why not the lunch ladies too? They at least deserve a shotgun, gotta put down those food fights somehow.



So we show compassion in the VS thread towards minorities illegals and those that choose not to work but we are okay with shitting all over custodians---a gainful profession. I'm willing to bet that the janitors in most school systems are more knowledgeable re: guns then any other staff. I'd much rather have an armed janitor then an armed "language arts professor" or a "drama coach".

#19 UncleBob

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 02:33 AM

So we show compassion in the VS thread towards minorities illegals and those that choose not to work but we are okay with shitting all over custodians---a gainful profession


Pretty SOP here on vs. Sadly.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 02:36 AM

So we show compassion in the VS thread towards minorities illegals and those that choose not to work but we are okay with shitting all over custodians---a gainful profession. I'm willing to bet that the janitors in most school systems are more knowledgeable re: guns then any other staff. I'd much rather have an armed janitor then an armed "language arts professor" or a "drama coach".


You realize by dismissing teachers in this way, you're just as bad as those that are "shitting all over" janitors.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 03:09 AM

More Guns= More Safety
Less Guns- Less Safety

Look at the statistics people.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 03:38 AM

Who's shitting on janitors? And if we were, would they have to clean it up?

But no seriously, I know it's voluntary, it's still stupid. For that matter so are some of you.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 04:56 AM

I don't know if this guy should be carrying a gun on school grounds...
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#24 mrsilkunderwear

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:52 AM

Who's shitting on janitors? And if we were, would they have to clean it up?

But no seriously, I know it's voluntary, it's still stupid. For that matter so are some of you.


Why is it stupid? It is better to have some armed personnel with training than none at all. After all you do not expect them to use the broom for self defense against a glock17? Also refrain from insulting the members of this forum, you make yourself look foolish by bashing on someone who has a different opinion.

#25 irideabike

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:57 AM

That's kinda his M.O. in the vs forum, bu I do agree with your post

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:59 AM

Why is it stupid? It is better to have some armed personnel with training than none at all. After all you do not expect them to use the broom for self defense against a glock17? Also refrain from insulting the members of this forum, you make yourself look foolish by bashing on someone who has a different opinion.


You haven't been in the vs forum long have you? If slinging mud and arrogance around like sacks of leftist potatoes doesn't sound like a grand time, this may not be the place for you.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 06:17 AM

You haven't been in the vs forum long have you? If slinging mud and arrogance around like sacks of leftist potatoes doesn't sound like a grand time, this may not be the place for you.


I guess i should have expected that type of behavior. Arguments should be civil and lead to education instead of name calling. If we cannot do that then why let such a section exist?

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 07:30 AM

I guess i should have expected that type of behavior. Arguments should be civil and lead to education instead of name calling. If we cannot do that then why let such a section exist?


I concur. It lowers the level of discourse if people just resort to name calling. For that matter, so does labeling everything "liberal," "leftist," conservative," etc.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 07:55 AM

More Guns= More Safety
Less Guns- Less Safety

Look at the statistics people.


More like:

Regulating / monitoring firearms dealers = more safety and fewer guns because the risk of selling illegally becomes not worth the reward. Ideally on the federal level, but even at the state level can help if a significant portion of states were to adopt legislation toward that purpose.

#30 IRHari

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 11:34 AM

You haven't been in the vs forum long have you? If slinging mud and arrogance around like sacks of leftist potatoes doesn't sound like a grand time, this may not be the place for you.


What is a leftist potato?
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