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#1 Finger_Shocker

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 10:55 PM

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A technical glitch that eliminated spending limits on the debit cards used for food stamps set off a bizarre shopping frenzy at Walmart stores in Louisiana on Saturday night, local CBS affiliate KSLA reports.

Customers cleared shelves and police were called in to control crowds taking advantage of suddenly unlimited spending allowed on their Electronic Benefits Transfer cards, which are issued to recipients of government food stamps. Spending limits on the cards were reportedly disabled for about two hours.

When a store in Springhill, La., announced over the loudspeaker that the glitch was fixed, shoppers simply abandoned loaded carts, according to Springhill Police Chief Will Lynd.

Lynd said Walmart’s corporate headquarters told the store to continue selling to EBT card holders despite the glitch. A spokesman for Walmart later told KSLA that the company continued selling to shoppers “so that they could get food for their families.”

Xerox, which runs parts of the EBT system, said a power outage during a routine maintenance test caused the glitch.

 

Apparently these people help flame the conservative right...

 

 



#2 egofed

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 02:42 AM

Bob's brilliant voucher idea, ala WIC, would alleviate problems like this. As far as flaming just conservatives, aren't liberals just as annoyed, frustrated, and angered by deliberate abuse of a system "designed" to help those who can't help themselves?



#3 Blaster man

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 03:42 PM

This is no different than a million dollars suddenly appearing in your bank account.  You know you should report it and not use it.  In fact people go to jail for using money from bank errors like that.  these people are criminals so I'm not sure what the discussion is about, this can happen with private companies (such as the aforementioned banks).



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 07:02 PM

A spokesman for Walmart later told KSLA that the company continued selling to shoppers “so that they could get food for their families.”

And 20 more families.



#5 LordofContests

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 05:19 PM

People in my area trade ebt credit for cash or pills.....SAD,SAD,SAD



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:00 PM

People in my area trade ebt credit for cash or pills.....SAD,SAD,SAD

They need more benefits. At least thats what some people have been saying around here. 



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 11:12 PM

They need more benefits. At least thats what some people have been saying around here.


Quote the source of your claim.

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 09:05 PM

Quote the source of your claim.

Oh you are saying we should not expand on social programs? Why do you hate blacks?



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Posted 18 October 2013 - 09:26 PM

Quote the source of your claim.

I had a long discussion with a few regular members who thought that SNAP benefits were not sufficient. It wasn't that long ago. Msutt and Doh, help me out here.



#10 speedracer

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 12:28 PM

Gersh darn up early cause this here brisket ate up all the damn coals. Knew she would. Big sumbitch. Don't tell nobody, but after all them Texans go home (or go to bed, I made Texans and even sleep wif em), I sneak in the kitchen and put the brisket on a kaiser roll with cole slaw. Oh, Nouf Kakalaki, I ain't never had better. Barbeque'in in them beautiful mountains...mmmmm.

 

Alright, tube foolishness. Lib perspective on something or something because eeeeempathy has been sucked out of them there humanity and now we all preeeeetend to be drooling idiots because it works well on this communcatin medium thang. If that's the case, get rid of the god damn medium I say. But here I am. I wish I could quit ya, tubes. For being so damned good with the crop reports and the weather and Amazon, you sure is a giant piece uh shit. 

 

 

Bob's brilliant voucher idea, ala WIC, would alleviate problems like this. As far as flaming just conservatives, aren't liberals just as annoyed, frustrated, and angered by deliberate abuse of a system "designed" to help those who can't help themselves?

 

I ain't familiararized with Bob's puuuuurticular version of brilliant way to stop stupid poors from spending mah moneh. But if you could point me in its general diiiiirection soon, I'd love to talk about it at Church this mornin. Pastor Jeb loves stories like thems. 

 

Anyways gittin on topic however you deeeeefine that I 'spose. When talkin at others, I try tah think uh what a smart person says. That way people think I'm smart and not... well not smart I guess. So I'm thinkin and I say hey, I bet smart person would say them datum would be very good and smart. I mean hell, mah woman has feels and sheeeeet, but I sure as hell ain't lettin her driiiiiiive mah truck when she's thinkin with her feels. Wimmim and lip wrist types go by feels. Lotta wimmin in here thinking with feels on a vidya internet board. Good I 'spose. More tyyyyyyyyyyphes of people playin the vidyas means more money and more game type 'speriences. Which reminds me I gotta play World Ends With You. Funny lookin mechanic and you know them asiatics got them weird stories. Prolly tentacles somewhere. 

 

But out here where them storms roll in low and a man gotta work fer his food and we ain't got no tentacles, we use data like a thinkin man. 

 

Snap. I ain't paaaaaaaarticularly partial to people stealin from Snap. It just ain't right. And that's bout the long n short uh that. 

 

..but them the part of me that says hey pretend tuh be a smart person, a smart person could do better. And I wonder like how then? And then that part says well Mr. Fancy Pants wants to be treated like them smart type adults with them tweed jackets, then he best begin by flippin tuh page 5 on this here peeedeeeefffff. 

 

http://www.fns.usda....ficking2009.pdf

 

And then it says as you can see here, 1.3% of Snap is trafficked for an estimated total of $858 million annually. Assuming there's more fraud than detected (we'll add an additional 15%, a reasonably round number for an uneducated guess), we'll make it an even billion dollars. 

 

So we got here a billion dollars in Snap fraud. Burns me up. But we also have limited enforcement dollars for the whole of government. It ain't like we can just grow government with as many fraud detectors and employees as we want. Turns out each party disapproves of detecting fraud if it's the kind of fraud they like. So with limited resources, it makes best sense to look at where the biggest fraud is and therefore get the best ROI on our fraud detection dollar. 

 

Tax evasion appears to go from $300 billion to $500 billion annually. We'll use the lowest possible number (so the bullshitting no data wimmins-with-feels don't start crying all over their keyboards) then shave another 15% off, which means tax evasion costs America $250 billion annually. A quarter of a trillion dollars. Every year. Whether Walmart is accidentally putting a chicken in every pot or not. 

 

Total tally:

 

$1 B - Snap fraud

$250B - Tax fraud

 

Darrell Issa says there's $125B in Medicare fraud. Politifact says the number is closer to $50B and even that can't be verified. So we'll cut $50B in half and be reasonable sure we're waaaaaaaaaaaay underneath. 

 

 

Total tally:

 

$1 B - Snap fraud

$250B - Tax fraud

$25 B - Medicare fraud

 

The DOD says it lost $1.1B to fraud just in relation to money transfers relating to soldiers only. No contractors. Just soldiers. Page 14.

http://www.gao.gov/a.../660/654534.pdf

 

 

$1 B - Snap fraud

$250 B - Tax fraud

$25 B - Medicare fraud

$1.1 B -Soldier fraud

 

The DOD also says it lost a trillion dollars to contractor fraud over the last decade. Cover letter here: http://www.sanders.s...raud Report.pdf

Table here: http://www.sanders.s...raud_Tables.pdf

 

$1 B - Snap fraud

$250 B - Tax fraud

$25 B - Medicare fraud

$1.1 B - Soldier fraud

$100 B - DOD contractor fraud

 

Rearranged for her pleasure:

 

$250 B - Tax fraud

$100 B - DOD contractor fraud

$25 B - Medicare fraud

$1.1 B - Soldier fraud

$1 B - Snap fraud

 

Of these 5 categories of fraud (randomly selected ones I knew would be big), Snap fraud accounts for 0.002% of the total fraud by dollar amount. Say that fucking number out loud. And that's with me tilting the table against Snap at every turn to make it look more important. SAY IT OUT LOUD YOU ASSHOLES. 

 

This is why we can't have nice things. Chickens at Walmart. Small ball stupidity at its finest. Jamie Dimon just shit out a $13B fine Friday and we're "worrying" about a bil. 

 

GOD DAMN POORS TAKKIN ALL MAH FRYIN CHIKKINS WHERES THE OUTRAGE YOU STUPID LIBRULS

 

Gosh dern brisket ain't breakin through the stall. Needs'a hurry up. Some of ya'll like to crutch to get through it. Some also drink tea and care about upvotes. I ain't doin none of that. Upvotes and crutches and tea is fer wimmin with feels. The brisket will hit 197 as God intended. Low n slow. 


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 01:50 PM

So you agree that the gov't is inefficient, corrupt, and terribly poor at running things. Thanks for the support, speed!

 

 

The other frauds you mentioned really don't relate to a generational breeding of citizens who rely solely on tax payer money for their own welfare. We have many, many problems. Overlooking a small leak in your yacht will eventually sink it just as assuredly as a gaping hole. Tax evasion is a favorite topic of mine also. Fair tax, flat tax, new ideas that due away with the current, bloated, exploitable system, etc. What do you suggest?



#12 speedracer

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 03:06 PM

We start with the biggest holes and work our way to the smallest. Based on the data as I understand it the most obvious place to start is tax code enforcement. 

 

I don't understand how we look at a bil worth of food stamp fraud and the conclusion falls squarely into some sort of "generational breeding of citizens who rely on tax payer money" but when we look at a fraud that is literally at least hundreds of times bigger there is no grand sweeping statement there. Do we have a generational breeding of citizens that rely solely on tax payer money for their own welfare when they just happen to be rich stealing tax receipts? 

 

Why not? To me it seems a very obvious axe to grind. It's personal, it's not business. "We" seem to so very badly want to point to the ethics or character of people stealing chicken but people steal literally hundreds of billions from Medicare or taxes and...nothing. Put another way, could a food stamp fraud that stole $5,000 be elected governor to a state? Of course not. There's no plane of existence where that happens. So why does Florida have a governor that defrauded tens if not hundreds of millions from the government and that gets a pass?

 

We have ideas to speak to the root cause of tax fraud. Hey speed! Let's talk about the issue of tax from a macro level to slow it down! Why don't we have ideas to speak to the root cause of snap? How do we fix unemployment? How do we fix the 10% of businesses that knowingly choose to defraud SNAP? 

 

No, let's talk about chikkens from Walmart. sigh

 

Why do we obsess over the guy pricking the boat with a needle when the guy standing right next to him smashing it with a jackhammer gets a pass?

 

I don't get it. 

 

edit: One last thing: [Citation needed] that the government is more inefficient, corrupt, etc. Show your work. I'm willing to be convinced. Use data to convince me. 


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#13 UncleBob

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 04:02 PM

The government not taking money by force from citizens is the same as citizens taking money that doesn't belong to them from the government.

Gotcha.

Hey, speed... since y'all are so dang-ed good with all them thair numbers n such, help me out here.

How much in tax revenue does our federal government lose out on by corrupt politicians making sweetheart deals with various businesses and business groups?

I'd be willing to bet if such a thing could be measured, it'd be over your $250 Billion/year.
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Posted 20 October 2013 - 04:03 PM

So you agree that the gov't is inefficient, corrupt, and terribly poor at running things. Thanks for the support, speed!

 

 

The other frauds you mentioned really don't relate to a generational breeding of citizens who rely solely on tax payer money for their own welfare. We have many, many problems. Overlooking a small leak in your yacht will eventually sink it just as assuredly as a gaping hole. Tax evasion is a favorite topic of mine also. Fair tax, flat tax, new ideas that due away with the current, bloated, exploitable system, etc. What do you suggest?

 

 

I suggest you use some evidence and some numbers the way speed does. Until you bring something to the party there really isnt a reason to respond to you.


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 04:35 PM

We start with the biggest holes and work our way to the smallest. Based on the data as I understand it the most obvious place to start is tax code enforcement. 

 

I don't understand how we look at a bil worth of food stamp fraud and the conclusion falls squarely into some sort of "generational breeding of citizens who rely on tax payer money" but when we look at a fraud that is literally at least hundreds of times bigger there is no grand sweeping statement there. Do we have a generational breeding of citizens that rely solely on tax payer money for their own welfare when they just happen to be rich stealing tax receipts? 

 

Why not? To me it seems a very obvious axe to grind. It's personal, it's not business. "We" seem to so very badly want to point to the ethics or character of people stealing chicken but people steal literally hundreds of billions from Medicare or taxes and...nothing. Put another way, could a food stamp fraud that stole $5,000 be elected governor to a state? Of course not. There's no plane of existence where that happens. So why does Florida have a governor that defrauded tens if not hundreds of millions from the government and that gets a pass?

 

We have ideas to speak to the root cause of tax fraud. Hey speed! Let's talk about the issue of tax from a macro level to slow it down! Why don't we have ideas to speak to the root cause of snap? How do we fix unemployment? How do we fix the 10% of businesses that knowingly choose to defraud SNAP? 

 

No, let's talk about chikkens from Walmart. sigh

 

Why do we obsess over the guy pricking the boat with a needle when the guy standing right next to him smashing it with a jackhammer gets a pass?

 

I don't get it. 

 

edit: One last thing: [Citation needed] that the government is more inefficient, corrupt, etc. Show your work. I'm willing to be convinced. Use data to convince me. 

Marion Barry got re-elected after getting caught with hookers and blow. Stupid people get to vote just like everybody else. I would like politicians to get elected based on serving their constituency versus harboring dependency. If we didn't have so many bloated programs fostering an ever weakening work ethic in our country, then we wouldn't have any fraud. No program=no fraud.  That's my point that you are missing. Total dependency on the gov't while reproducing is not measured by the fraud statistics. It is perfectly legal, and even supported. More moochers equal more votes for whatever party is gonna keep handing out the cash and services. Is there an end point to this plan? We have removed the stigma of living off other people's money and killed the incentive to start small and work your way up.

 

As far as gov' inefficiency, I think the fraud numbers you posted prove my point quite well. Private companies eventually catch on when they are being fleeced. ;)

 

I am also very against corporate welfare, Medicare fraud, and foreign aid. I didn't start this thread, but I think welfare is a more popular topic because it is in most people's faces everyday. We see the welfare queen at the grocery store, not the crooked investment banker.



#16 speedracer

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 06:04 PM

The government not taking money by force from citizens is the same as citizens taking money that doesn't belong to them from the government.

 

Not really interested in the circle jerk faux moral equivocation today. That damned brisket is fighting me and I'm a pissed off chef right now. Bitch stalled again at 191. 

 

 

Hey, speed... since y'all are so dang-ed good with all them thair numbers n such, help me out here.

How much in tax revenue does our federal government lose out on by corrupt politicians making sweetheart deals with various businesses and business groups?

I'd be willing to bet if such a thing could be measured, it'd be over your $250 Billion/year.

 

I would bet so also, but that's a completely unknowable number. I prefer data and ballparks no matter how badly tortured because at least we can do our best to make educated decisions. We're talkin about SNAP. Catch me a little later on tonight when I'm nice and sauced up and talk sweet to me and maybe I'll go on a missive on how government sucks butthole. Because it does, and I say that as a government worker...

 

But you know what's worse? The stories I hear from my college buddies that went to big law and big accounting and big oil and big healthcare. 

 

 

Marion Barry got re-elected after getting caught with hookers and blow. Stupid people get to vote just like everybody else. I would like politicians to get elected based on serving their constituency versus harboring dependency. If we didn't have so many bloated programs fostering an ever weakening work ethic in our country, then we wouldn't have any fraud. No program=no fraud.  That's my point that you are missing. Total dependency on the gov't while reproducing is not measured by the fraud statistics. It is perfectly legal, and even supported. More moochers equal more votes for whatever party is gonna keep handing out the cash and services. Is there an end point to this plan? We have removed the stigma of living off other people's money and killed the incentive to start small and work your way up.

 

I very strongly disagree with your overall conclusion here. Government is inherently problematic, there's no question. But so is private enterprise and every other system we could possibly devise when people become variables in our formula, which they invariably do. The smallest to the largest all have the same problem and have for our entire history as humans beings. Saying that government today is an outlier is crazy town to me. Saying it's even an outlier against anything else just at this point seems absurd to me. 

 

But that's just me. Maybe I'm not being clear here (I'm often not), but hopefully you get the gist of what I'm trying to get across. 

 

 

As far as gov' inefficiency, I think the fraud numbers you posted prove my point quite well. Private companies eventually catch on when they are being fleeced. ;)

 

I am also very against corporate welfare, Medicare fraud, and foreign aid. I didn't start this thread, but I think welfare is a more popular topic because it is in most people's faces everyday. We see the welfare queen at the grocery store, not the crooked investment banker.

 

I am, by any measure, fucking fabulously wealthy. I know it makes me a dick or a liar on the tubes because it helps my argument but it's true. I can't remember the last time I saw someone pay with EBT. Maybe this is the root of our disagreement. Hannibal Lecter says we covet what we see every day. I see rich people doing horrendous shit every single day. I see contractors ripping off the government then pleading ignorance when caught. I see rich people dodging the ever living shit out of their taxes (property tax avoidance is a fucking Olympic sport in Texas). I don't see welfare queens because there aren't any in the bubble I live in. I understand why Bob obsesses over it. He works at Walmart and I would fucking murder my own children before stepping in one. It makes sense to me that he is driven crazy by it. It would piss me off too.

 

My point is that just as many rich people are doing it too. We just happen to wear nicer clothes and drive nicer cars while doing it. Poor people rip off the gubmit for a cool bil and we all get pissy. Rich people rip it off for hundreds of times more and we all just sort of grumble, as if it couldn't be any other way. 

 

So let's make it not an emotional thing. Let's look at the data. You'll never get me on board if you're going to blame a structure's inherent weakness on the fact that people are trying to break it. That's not the structure's fault and no structure can survive intentional undermining. Instead, let's figure out who's doing the most damage and stop that first. 

 

And that doesn't start with EBT. It just doesn't. 

 

Is my premise unfair because a political constituency that enjoys the largesse I'm dismissing just happens to agree with me? Probably. Can we do both at the same time, go after all things great and small? Surely. 

 

But we can't when one of the two dominant ideologies refuses to even talk about it. And I genuinely believe you would find liberal pressure to find a solution if conservatives didn't start from the position that it's all the government's fault. Because at the end of the day, we all want competence. 

 

And in my own liberal way, I appreciate libertarianism as well. But I was also a hungry child once and being punished for the sins of my father...fucking sucked. 


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#17 UncleBob

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 06:29 PM

Not really interested in the circle jerk faux moral equivocation today.


So, then, why try to bring it up? Why try to build this link between the defrauding of the taxpayers (via the Federal Government) by abusing a system that is designed to help people who genuinely need help to the lack of giving the Federal Government more tax money? They're not even in the same ball park.

Person A taking $5 from you isn't the same as Person B not giving you $5. Either way, you're $5 less than you could be, but they're simply not the same.
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#18 UncleBob

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 07:21 PM

How to determine how many mice are inside of a building:

Step One: Set 100 Mouse Traps.
Step Two: Wait.
Step Three: Count the number of mice you caught.

So, if you set 100 traps and only catch one mouse, then blammo! You only have one mouse in the entire building.

What? People are still saying that they're seeing mice and evidence of mice (droppings, chewed paper, etc.). Naw, tell them they're wrong. Talk down to them and say they're stupid. Obviously, if there were more mice in the building, you'd know about them because you would have caught them.
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#19 speedracer

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 09:01 PM

So, then, why try to bring it up? Why try to build this link between the defrauding of the taxpayers (via the Federal Government) by abusing a system that is designed to help people who genuinely need help to the lack of giving the Federal Government more tax money? They're not even in the same ball park.

Person A taking $5 from you isn't the same as Person B not giving you $5. Either way, you're $5 less than you could be, but they're simply not the same.

 

Do you think it feels different? Do you think someone buying extra chikkens at Walmart on EBT feels different than someone feels when they intentionally hide income?

 

Of course not. The only difference is the one you construct in your justification. Which is both hilarious and pathetic. 


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#20 UncleBob

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 12:12 AM

If you don't understand the difference between having something taken away from you and not having something given to you, then I'm not sure I can help.
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Posted 21 October 2013 - 12:23 AM

Do you think it feels different? Do you think someone buying extra chikkens at Walmart on EBT feels different than someone feels when they intentionally hide income?

 

Of course not. The only difference is the one you construct in your justification. Which is both hilarious and pathetic. 

The difference is also one is something poor people use (and there is a racial element there) and the other is upper middle class.


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#22 speedracer

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 02:00 AM

If you don't understand the difference between having something taken away from you and not having something given to you, then I'm not sure I can help.

 

I bet that sounds really deep and intelligent to someone that doesn't pay gargantuan taxes every year. 


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#23 UncleBob

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 02:24 AM

I'm sorry that your entire attempt to link tax fraud to welfare fraud didn't work as well as you wanted it to.
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Posted 21 October 2013 - 03:02 AM

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This is what is truly wrong with welfare. Giving incentives to reproduce to people who have no business raising children.

 

Watch it to to the end to see exactly what a bitch this lady is.



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Posted 21 October 2013 - 03:21 AM

Speed, just wanted to say thanks for the well thought out and non jerk like way that you responded to my comments. Seeing abuse everyday, in what ever form it takes, will definitely piss you off. Simplify, simplify, simplify....from taxes to welfare, more bureaucracy just worsens the effectiveness and chances of being exploited. 10% federal income tax with no deductions or loopholes across the board, SNAP should consist of vouchers for specific nutritionally balanced foods (water, milk, or 100% juice as the only drink options). Heck, we put people in jail for DUI because they MAY ruin someone's life, a child born into a home that survives on tax money is almost guaranteed a lackluster life. Let's make it a crime to neglect one's children by having them while on welfare. I'm open to more suggestions as to how to stop generational welfare abuse.



#26 speedracer

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:07 AM

Ran out of time. Will try again later.  

 


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#27 joeboosauce

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 05:48 PM

DOD? Tax fraud? Nawww, we'd would rather focus on whatever helps us go after black people. (Wearing my conservative hat here.) How else am I going to fill the void left by making lynching illegal???

 

 

Gersh darn up early cause this here brisket ate up all the damn coals. Knew she would. Big sumbitch. Don't tell nobody, but after all them Texans go home (or go to bed, I made Texans and even sleep wif em), I sneak in the kitchen and put the brisket on a kaiser roll with cole slaw. Oh, Nouf Kakalaki, I ain't never had better. Barbeque'in in them beautiful mountains...mmmmm.

 

Alright, tube foolishness. Lib perspective on something or something because eeeeempathy has been sucked out of them there humanity and now we all preeeeetend to be drooling idiots because it works well on this communcatin medium thang. If that's the case, get rid of the god damn medium I say. But here I am. I wish I could quit ya, tubes. For being so damned good with the crop reports and the weather and Amazon, you sure is a giant piece uh shit. 

 

 

 

I ain't familiararized with Bob's puuuuurticular version of brilliant way to stop stupid poors from spending mah moneh. But if you could point me in its general diiiiirection soon, I'd love to talk about it at Church this mornin. Pastor Jeb loves stories like thems. 

 

Anyways gittin on topic however you deeeeefine that I 'spose. When talkin at others, I try tah think uh what a smart person says. That way people think I'm smart and not... well not smart I guess. So I'm thinkin and I say hey, I bet smart person would say them datum would be very good and smart. I mean hell, mah woman has feels and sheeeeet, but I sure as hell ain't lettin her driiiiiiive mah truck when she's thinkin with her feels. Wimmim and lip wrist types go by feels. Lotta wimmin in here thinking with feels on a vidya internet board. Good I 'spose. More tyyyyyyyyyyphes of people playin the vidyas means more money and more game type 'speriences. Which reminds me I gotta play World Ends With You. Funny lookin mechanic and you know them asiatics got them weird stories. Prolly tentacles somewhere. 

 

But out here where them storms roll in low and a man gotta work fer his food and we ain't got no tentacles, we use data like a thinkin man. 

 

Snap. I ain't paaaaaaaarticularly partial to people stealin from Snap. It just ain't right. And that's bout the long n short uh that. 

 

..but them the part of me that says hey pretend tuh be a smart person, a smart person could do better. And I wonder like how then? And then that part says well Mr. Fancy Pants wants to be treated like them smart type adults with them tweed jackets, then he best begin by flippin tuh page 5 on this here peeedeeeefffff. 

 

http://www.fns.usda....ficking2009.pdf

 

And then it says as you can see here, 1.3% of Snap is trafficked for an estimated total of $858 million annually. Assuming there's more fraud than detected (we'll add an additional 15%, a reasonably round number for an uneducated guess), we'll make it an even billion dollars. 

 

So we got here a billion dollars in Snap fraud. Burns me up. But we also have limited enforcement dollars for the whole of government. It ain't like we can just grow government with as many fraud detectors and employees as we want. Turns out each party disapproves of detecting fraud if it's the kind of fraud they like. So with limited resources, it makes best sense to look at where the biggest fraud is and therefore get the best ROI on our fraud detection dollar. 

 

Tax evasion appears to go from $300 billion to $500 billion annually. We'll use the lowest possible number (so the bullshitting no data wimmins-with-feels don't start crying all over their keyboards) then shave another 15% off, which means tax evasion costs America $250 billion annually. A quarter of a trillion dollars. Every year. Whether Walmart is accidentally putting a chicken in every pot or not. 

 

Total tally:

 

$1 B - Snap fraud

$250B - Tax fraud

 

Darrell Issa says there's $125B in Medicare fraud. Politifact says the number is closer to $50B and even that can't be verified. So we'll cut $50B in half and be reasonable sure we're waaaaaaaaaaaay underneath. 

 

 

Total tally:

 

$1 B - Snap fraud

$250B - Tax fraud

$25 B - Medicare fraud

 

The DOD says it lost $1.1B to fraud just in relation to money transfers relating to soldiers only. No contractors. Just soldiers. Page 14.

http://www.gao.gov/a.../660/654534.pdf

 

 

$1 B - Snap fraud

$250 B - Tax fraud

$25 B - Medicare fraud

$1.1 B -Soldier fraud

 

The DOD also says it lost a trillion dollars to contractor fraud over the last decade. Cover letter here: http://www.sanders.s...raud Report.pdf

Table here: http://www.sanders.s...raud_Tables.pdf

 

$1 B - Snap fraud

$250 B - Tax fraud

$25 B - Medicare fraud

$1.1 B - Soldier fraud

$100 B - DOD contractor fraud

 

Rearranged for her pleasure:

 

$250 B - Tax fraud

$100 B - DOD contractor fraud

$25 B - Medicare fraud

$1.1 B - Soldier fraud

$1 B - Snap fraud

 

Of these 5 categories of fraud (randomly selected ones I knew would be big), Snap fraud accounts for 0.002% of the total fraud by dollar amount. Say that fucking number out loud. And that's with me tilting the table against Snap at every turn to make it look more important. SAY IT OUT LOUD YOU ASSHOLES. 

 

This is why we can't have nice things. Chickens at Walmart. Small ball stupidity at its finest. Jamie Dimon just shit out a $13B fine Friday and we're "worrying" about a bil. 

 

GOD DAMN POORS TAKKIN ALL MAH FRYIN CHIKKINS WHERES THE OUTRAGE YOU STUPID LIBRULS

 

Gosh dern brisket ain't breakin through the stall. Needs'a hurry up. Some of ya'll like to crutch to get through it. Some also drink tea and care about upvotes. I ain't doin none of that. Upvotes and crutches and tea is fer wimmin with feels. The brisket will hit 197 as God intended. Low n slow. 


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#28 joeboosauce

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 05:48 PM

The question is what abuse do you choose to focus on? It tells quite a bit about a person. 

 

 

Speed, just wanted to say thanks for the well thought out and non jerk like way that you responded to my comments. Seeing abuse everyday, in what ever form it takes, will definitely piss you off. Simplify, simplify, simplify....from taxes to welfare, more bureaucracy just worsens the effectiveness and chances of being exploited. 10% federal income tax with no deductions or loopholes across the board, SNAP should consist of vouchers for specific nutritionally balanced foods (water, milk, or 100% juice as the only drink options). Heck, we put people in jail for DUI because they MAY ruin someone's life, a child born into a home that survives on tax money is almost guaranteed a lackluster life. Let's make it a crime to neglect one's children by having them while on welfare. I'm open to more suggestions as to how to stop generational welfare abuse.


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#29 speedracer

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 10:37 AM

https://www.facebook...&type=3

 

This is what is truly wrong with welfare. Giving incentives to reproduce to people who have no business raising children.

 

Watch it to to the end to see exactly what a bitch this lady is.

 

Disinhibition, self-absorbed, meanness, total lack of empathy. That person is a textbook psychopath. 


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#30 RedvsBlue

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 08:00 PM

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This is what is truly wrong with welfare. Giving incentives to reproduce to people who have no business raising children.

Watch it to to the end to see exactly what a bitch this lady is.


Her welfare status doesn't affect her callousness. Ask yourself this, if that video was exactly the same minus her mentioning the welfare check, would she be any less of a bad person? No, she'd still be a heartless, cold person with no regard for her nephews' well being.

Further, your argument has always been that people are incentivized to have more kids for welfare. This woman was the aunt though and obviously didn't give birth to these children for a welfare check increase. Where exactly are the biological parents anyway?

At any rate I'm not going to judge all the needs of welfare recipients based solely on one terrible person's unrelated comment which had nothing to do with her welfare status.