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#1 Zoglog

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 12:04 AM

Some Bluray drives announced with prices

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A good range of 1000-1800.

These players are coming around spring. Anyone else getting doubts that sony can get the console out at a price that many people want it at?

From what I see the PS3 has some very very pricey components starting with the blu ray drive. I'd imagine the Cell Processor couldn't be that cheap either along with whatever video GPU they're going to use to drive up dual HDMI outputs at 1080p.

My guess is that the PS3 will be released at an incredibly high price or will be delayed until at least Christmas 2006 or sometime 2007 (Delayed according to the speculation of a 2006 spring release).

Either way this is probably some good news for MS. I'm looking forward to the next gen of Optical discs though since my TV supports 1080p So I can't wait to get a PS3 ;).

#2 AFStealth

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 02:10 AM

They've already confirmed a 300-400 price range, and one SKU...

#3 dpatel

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 02:13 AM

I doubt PS3 will be priced more than $500. That would just be suicide for the company. I am also wondering how they will make the system so cheap though.

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 02:15 AM

I would pay around 500ish for a PS3 but thats just me I guess ;)

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 02:20 AM

I heard they've already dropped dual hd support and built in routing hub.


Sigh, with the already small HDTV userbase, demand for Blu-ray's 1080p source may be a trickle at best, meaning it will be a long while before the price comes down. The PS3 may be far, far in our future. I didn't even know they made TV's with 1080p yet, I don't think I've ever seen one in a big box store.

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 02:22 AM

maybe the blu ray drive that they will put in won't be as costly as those ( sorry im pretty new to specs and other technology incorporated )

if they do use an expensive drive, they can probably make up for it because the PS3 will have so many qualities and uses for, a lot of people would buy it.

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 02:26 AM

They will probably continue cutting features, etc. to make sure to get it out below $500. I honestly expect it to roll out at $499.99. I remember buying the 3DO at over $700, so it's not completely insane.

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 02:26 AM

They've already confirmed a 300-400 price range, and one SKU...


There's been no confirmation or official press release on the PS3's pricing structure. At this point its all been speculation, even what officials from Sony are saying should be taken with a grain of salt. Let's remember how Microsoft was saying, at one point, that all 360's would be shipping with a hard drive.

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 02:31 AM

They will probably continue cutting features, etc. to make sure to get it out below $500. I honestly expect it to roll out at $499.99. I remember buying the 3DO at over $700, so it's not completely insane.


I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just saying that if they want to be successful, they can't price themselves too high. It has been a while before a console has been more than $400.

Also, if you compare the PS2 DVD player to other DVD players, it isn't that great. I have a feeling we will have a low end Blu-Ray player in the PS3. I still can't imagine the Blu-ray drive in the PS3 being that much cheaper than those players.

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 02:31 AM

Let me say something:

RETAIL PRICES ARE NOT THE SAME AS THE PRICES COMPANIES PAY WHEN MANUFACTURING HARDWARE. BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME INVOLVED AND LACK OF THE INHERENT MARKUP IN RETAIL PRICES, THE DRIVES WILL COST MUCH LESS FOR SONY TO PUT INTO THE PS3 THAN FOR US TO BUY.

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 02:47 AM

Let's not forget that Sony owns the BluRay disc rights, and they can also manufacture them for much cheaper than Pioneer can.

I wish people would stop complaining so much.

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 02:58 AM

Wasn't it said that the PS3 costs $575 a unit, and that they'd sell it for a loss at around $400? I think that's great news considering it'll jump start the Blu-Ray format, sure it'll kick Sony's ass financially with hardware but they can make it up in movie sales, especially with all the titles they've announced (when the general public decides to jump on the HDTV bandwagon)

I heard they've already dropped dual hd support and built in routing hub.

I knew they dropped the routing hub, which would have been a neat addition, but dual HD support too? Not that I would have used it to its full potential, but it would be awesome to have two cheaper HDTV's next to each other, playing football with 8 players having a team on each TV.


Sigh, with the already small HDTV userbase, demand for Blu-ray's 1080p source may be a trickle at best, meaning it will be a long while before the price comes down. The PS3 may be far, far in our future. I didn't even know they made TV's with 1080p yet, I don't think I've ever seen one in a big box store.

Me neither, I saw a 1080p HDTV on TigerDirect for around $2000, I was pretty surprised since they're supposed to be ridiculously expensive.




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Posted 05 January 2006 - 03:08 AM

i honestly think its stupid for sony to release the PS3 using a blue ray drive at the launch of blue ray to the consumer market. all that room will just be used for cg movies. Sony could always wait to release a sepreate BR Drive that you can hook up to the PS3. Standard DVD-9 disc is more than enough...im new to PS2 (just got my first in Nov 2005) but how many multi disc ps2 games are out there?

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 03:12 AM

If Sony indeed does come out with the PS3 at $500 or under it would sell like crazy.

Not only would gamers buy it, normal people who just want a blu-ray player would buy it too seeing as how much cheaper it is than the $1800 player in the link.

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 04:22 AM

i honestly think its stupid for sony to release the PS3 using a blue ray drive at the launch of blue ray to the consumer market. all that room will just be used for cg movies. Sony could always wait to release a sepreate BR Drive that you can hook up to the PS3. Standard DVD-9 disc is more than enough...im new to PS2 (just got my first in Nov 2005) but how many multi disc ps2 games are out there?


well each generation we have needed a bigger format, so why would this gen be different.

Games are going to be much more complex that PS2 games, so that comparison isn't really good. I don't think Blu-ray will be necessary, but DVD may hinder a few developers.

Also, including a blu-ray drive into the PS3 helps blu-ray get a huge advantage over HD-DVD.

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 04:36 AM

The PS3 will sell like crazy because of the cheap blue ray player. If you all want one at launch you'd better be thinking of pre-ordering now. I already have 2 on pre-order at 2 Gamecrazy stores. Gamestop still wasn't doing pre-orders last time I called. Trust me when I say the PS3 WILL be below $500. I have seen a few 1080 Progressive TV around lately. I know Westinghouse makes a 37" and Sharp has a 45" Aquos. There have been others such as the Sony Grand Wega but the 1080 P is only a theoretical as the TV does not have the chip hardware to actually render such an image. I also read in Sound and Vision today that if you sit 9 feet away from your TV a 50" TV is the max size you would need. The human eye cannot tell the difference between 720p and 1080p at that distance and resolution. If you move up to a bigger size (say 56") or move closer to the TV then you can also see a difference. Some thoughts to keep in mind if you plan on getting a new TV this year.
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Posted 05 January 2006 - 04:54 AM

im sure that the blue ray drive will get people to buy the PS3 just to play blue ray movies more than playing games..when they see the initial price of the first generation BR home players then look at the ps3 price, they will go for it. Unfortuntily we will see BR disc problems playing movie discs on the ps3 because its a cheaper drive. I honestly will wait for a second or third generation BR/HD player (pref a multi disc one) .. Something intresting will come up, how about those people like me who buy these multi disc tv show sets and then studios dump those same shows on single br/hd discs later on? do we get a discount/trade in towards the purchase of the br/hd disc?

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 05:09 AM

im sure that the blue ray drive will get people to buy the PS3 just to play blue ray movies more than playing games

Why are you so sure? DVD players were in the $150 range for an average player around the time the PS2 came out, which helps partially explain the pickup in dvd sales around that time. There's nothing to suggest that people will pickup bluray for videos; not as long as players are $1,800, and HDTV sets are in a notable minority of homes. You have to wait for HDTV to become commonplace before expecting bluray to sell. There's no reason to buy a bicycle if it doesn't have wheels.

when they see the initial price of the first generation BR home players then look at the ps3 price, they will go for it. Unfortuntily we will see BR disc problems playing movie discs on the ps3 because its a cheaper drive.

From what source do you derive this information? What do you know about the quality of the drive? You can say "well, Sony uses cheap materials and..." but that isn't the question I'm asking. You know nothing about the PS3, so why make claims about it that you can't back up?

Something intresting will come up, how about those people like me who buy these multi disc tv show sets and then studios dump those same shows on single br/hd discs later on? do we get a discount/trade in towards the purchase of the br/hd disc?

What, are you some kind of fuckin' idiot? Look, someone wants and expects a discount! :rofl:
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Posted 05 January 2006 - 05:14 AM

Are you kidding me? DVD players are still in the $150 price range. DVD players back when PS2 came out were a hell of a lot more expensive. Why do you think DVDs became such a huge hit? (Aside from the porno industry..)

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 05:19 AM

Are you kidding me? DVD players are still in the $150 price range. DVD players back when PS2 came out were a hell of a lot more expensive. Why do you think DVDs became such a huge hit? (Aside from the porno industry..)


Actually a decent DVD player was only about $200 when PS2 launched. The reason I remember this is because I worked at Best Buy at the time and I rang up some guy who was buying a $200 Sony DVD player and a PS1 for $100. I told him he could get the same thing out of a PS2 for the same price but he said no. Still haven't figured out why but that's all beside the point.

Also, Myke already explained hwy DVDs became such a huge hit.

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 05:25 PM

ok some of you are on crack. Just because manuf costs are signifigantly reduced by the fact that Sony has a heavy investment in blu ray does not mean they will get the drives for $10 a pop. Each drive produced for the PS3 will cost a signifigant amount. Even with a normal DVD drive the 360 already sells at a loss of 100+ per console.

And yeah like the guy said before, no OFFICIAL pricing announcements have been made. Welcome to how rumors as fact start I guess eh?

Either way not good news for Sony, esp when the company as a whole has been hemorraging so much money. Either way Sony will take a major hit on each console sold, delay the console, or sell it for a pemimum. Like I said either way it's all good news for MS

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 05:29 PM

I got $10 on "PS3 ships with standard DVD drive," personally.
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Posted 05 January 2006 - 10:31 PM

dude you really need to freaken take your chill pill instead of being the all knowing sony ps3 fan boy. you wanna hear something funny? guess whos going to determin the real outcome of the new format war? THE PORN INDUSTRY...source? thedigitalbits.com
dont believe me, look it up.


Why are you so sure? DVD players were in the $150 range for an average player around the time the PS2 came out, which helps partially explain the pickup in dvd sales around that time. There's nothing to suggest that people will pickup bluray for videos; not as long as players are $1,800, and HDTV sets are in a notable minority of homes. You have to wait for HDTV to become commonplace before expecting bluray to sell. There's no reason to buy a bicycle if it doesn't have wheels.


From what source do you derive this information? What do you know about the quality of the drive? You can say "well, Sony uses cheap materials and..." but that isn't the question I'm asking. You know nothing about the PS3, so why make claims about it that you can't back up?


What, are you some kind of fuckin' idiot? Look, someone wants and expects a discount! :rofl:



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Posted 05 January 2006 - 10:33 PM

dude at gamecrazy said they are putting in a VEry cheap blue ray playe in the PS3.. and it will come out around 500 bucks


if they make a RPG to come out the day PS3 hits.. I would pay 500 in a second
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Posted 05 January 2006 - 10:33 PM

dudes whatever... SEGA needs to get there shit together and make a full comeback.

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 10:35 PM

dude at gamecrazy said they are putting in a VEry cheap blue ray playe in the PS3.. and it will come out around 500 bucks


if they make a RPG to come out the day PS3 hits.. I would pay 500 in a second


a FF launch Title would DEFENTLY cause people to buy the system...you know how many followers there are on that series right?

me, it who ever makes the next good castlevania or resident evil game that will drive me to buy that system, but not til a under 200 dollar price drop :P

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 11:32 PM

dude you really need to freaken take your chill pill instead of being the all knowing sony ps3 fan boy. you wanna hear something funny? guess whos going to determin the real outcome of the new format war? THE PORN INDUSTRY...source? thedigitalbits.com
dont believe me, look it up.

Sure thing, kiddo. I don't believe that I forced you to sound like a dipshit in your first point; I merely pointed it out. It's not my fault you're a twit.

Also, for the record, if I must be labeled a fanboy, I vastly prefer Xbox to my PS2, and my DS to my PSP. I have a dollar for you if you can get through another post without being dead wrong about something.
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Posted 05 January 2006 - 11:38 PM

dude at gamecrazy said they are putting in a VEry cheap blue ray playe in the PS3.. and it will come out around 500 bucks


if they make a RPG to come out the day PS3 hits.. I would pay 500 in a second


OMH!! A GUY AT TEH GAMECRAZY????? IT MUST BE TR00!!1!!!!

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 12:11 AM

Isn't Sony already taking hits left and right from every department now? They were known to be losing money in their home audio/video department and entertainment (movies, music) departments as well but the video games department posted profits up until the PSP (due to costs developing it and launching it).

So, can they really afford to take a really big hit by Spring? I know the cell processor isn't cheap (it will be the most advanced consumer processor at the moment I believe) and that Nvidia GPU can't be cheap. They're losing money and have some big debts as well...

Of course, people overestimated the price of the PS2 and PSP... but that was then, it's a different story now.

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 02:04 AM

people overestimated the price of the PS2 and PSP... but that was then, it's a different story now.

The hell planet were you on before March 2005? People estimated that the PSP would be over $250? No way; most assumed it would have a pricepoint to be directly competing with the DS, around $150. We were all *very* wrong.
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