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#1 craven_fiend

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 02:02 AM

It appears time to start up another thread dedicated to the '06 MLB Hot Stove.

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#2 depascal22

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 02:37 AM

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#3 nneace

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 02:47 AM

Bengie Molina signs with the Blue Jays. He is very serviceable, and calls a pretty decent game.

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#4 Mr.Answer

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 02:54 AM

Mike Piazza a catcher who can't field, nor throw but kind of bat signs with... a National league team (Padres) for what amounts to a one year contract for 2.75 million (2 million this year with a 750 thousand buyout which will happen of course)
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#5 jlarlee

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 02:54 AM

pretty damn close to pitchers and catcher reporting
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#6 brainstorm

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 04:11 AM

That Piazza signing was horrible, his power is nullified in that huge ballpark
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#7 Mike23

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 04:41 AM

I think Molina only helps the Jays in terms of veteran leadership. Zaun had comparable numbers last year (with less protection) and was a good enough backstop.

I still think they challenge for the division title, and make the playoffs.
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#8 craven_fiend

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 11:38 AM

Yeah, both the signings are near the end of the last thread.

Let me give you newer people, to the thread, a warning, be prepared to read a lot of opinions about the Red Sox, as the appear to be the favorite team for 75% of the people posting regularly.
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Posted 08 February 2006 - 01:11 PM

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Good lord we really don't need that bullshit starting here do we?


And on subject.. as far as Toronto making the playoffs.. remember.. Boston, NY, Tampa Bay and Toronto all could contend (and will all play each other quite a bit).. in the central its basically just Chicago and Cleveland. That's going to make it alot tougher for the wild card team to come out of the East.

#10 ryanbph

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 03:33 PM

Good lord we really don't need that bullshit starting here do we?


And on subject.. as far as Toronto making the playoffs.. remember.. Boston, NY, Tampa Bay and Toronto all could contend (and will all play each other quite a bit).. in the central its basically just Chicago and Cleveland. That's going to make it alot tougher for the wild card team to come out of the East.

I agree with everything you say except for that tampa will contend. I was telling my yank friends all last year, tampa is tough, you have to play good to beat them, but they will always crack. Did they do anything to get better this offseason. I know balldelli should be back and will imporve there offense, but wasn't it there pitching that sucked. Kashimir is good, and will be great but who else do they have?

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 03:47 PM

I agree with everything you say except for that tampa will contend. I was telling my yank friends all last year, tampa is tough, you have to play good to beat them, but they will always crack. Did they do anything to get better this offseason. I know balldelli should be back and will imporve there offense, but wasn't it there pitching that sucked. Kashimir is good, and will be great but who else do they have?


Tampa's probably the number 4 team, but they're still going to be harder to get wins against then say Minnesota, Detroit or Kansas City. And although I admit I haven't been watching Tampa's offseason action so well, I don't believe they really lost anything from the team that had one of the best records in baseball for the last half of the '05 season.

All this is assuming Cleveland didn't lose too much putting Jason Michaels in Coco's place and losing Millwood. There may well not be anyone in the Central to contend for the Wild Card spot this year.

#12 dafoomie

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 04:22 PM

Baltimore won't be an easy team either, they should be almost .500, maybe 70-80 wins.

Toughest division in baseball.

#13 greendj27

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 05:25 PM

Minnesota should be decent this year too. Don't discount them.

#14 ryanbph

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 05:28 PM

many mlb writters are claiming for minn to be the darkhorse

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#15 greendj27

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 05:30 PM

many mlb writters are claiming for minn to be the darkhorse


And Milwaukee, I love hearing that!

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 05:50 PM

many mlb writters are claiming for minn to be the darkhorse


They just didn't show me enough last year and didn't do nearly enough so far in the offseason for me to put any credence to those reports. I'd give Detroit a much better chance of coming out of nowhere given their young players that could break out at anytime.

#17 craven_fiend

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 01:09 AM

They just didn't show me enough last year and didn't do nearly enough so far in the offseason for me to put any credence to those reports. I'd give Detroit a much better chance of coming out of nowhere given their young players that could break out at anytime.


Unless they lose Hunter, they still have a chance. They picked up a 2B, in Luis Castillo and lost Jacque Jones, forget where he went, and I think a reliever. They shouldn't be too far back this year.
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Posted 09 February 2006 - 01:12 AM

Minnesota's window has closed. They will have a winning record but not much more will be able to be said. Radke has been wilting, still no pop in the batting order. I hope i'm wrong but I doubt it. There is no real buzz with the twins up here in the Minnesota, Dakotas area. (at least that I have read or noticed)
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#19 ryanbph

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 01:14 AM

j. jones went to the cubs

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 01:27 AM

j. jones went to the cubs


I should've known that, as thats all I ever hear about around here, the Cubbies and occassional White Sox fans.

The Cubs look poised in the Central, and could overtake St Louis this year, giving that St Louis has been rather quiet thus far in the offseason.
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Posted 09 February 2006 - 01:28 AM

I should've known that, as thats all I ever hear about around here, the Cubbies and occassional White Sox fans.

The Cubs look poised in the Central, and could overtake St Louis this year, giving that St Louis has been rather quiet thus far in the offseason.


Brewers will be competitive too if things go right.

#22 craven_fiend

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 01:30 AM

Brewers will be competitive too if things go right.


Yeah, and by things, you mean a healthy Sheets and another monster season by Lee. Add Prince(???) into the mix, and it could be a nice 3 team dance in the NL Central.
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#23 ryanbph

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 01:32 AM

Hey green, I take it your a brewers fan, can you explain to me wtf was ben sheet doing resigning. I can understand him possibly being a moron, but what the Fuck was his agent thinking. He could have competed and gotten a HUGE payday in the free agent market.

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#24 dopa345

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 01:37 AM

My take on the AL East:

Toronto is arguably the most improved team in baseball (you could make a case that the Mets are as well) and is definitely in the mix. That being said, A.J. Burnett and B.J. Ryan are not sure things (Burnett is still a career .500 pitcher), and Halladay and Glaus are both injury prone. I still predict them coming in third but they are definitely a dangerous team.

The Yankees continue to get older, especially on the pitching side. They'll score buckets of runs especially with Damon at the top of their order (grrrr....) and despite another year in decline in their starting pitching they probably will still finish on top since they have the will and the resources to bring in an impact player when they need to and Rivera (who is really the team MVP) continues to dominate and shortens games into 8 or even 7 inning affairs.

I will preface this by saying I am a big Red Sox fan but I honestly think they are much better this year than last year. Their infield is completely upgraded both offensively and defensively. Lowell will definitely do better than last season and is a significant upgrade both offensively and defensively over Meuller. Gonzalez is a huge defensive upgrade over Renteria (though I am in the minority that thinks they should have kept him) and is a little underrated offensively. Loretta is a perfect no 2 hitter and now they are "forced" to finally play Youkilis at first which is what they should have done last season. In the outfield, there is a downgrade in CF but Crisp is a serviceable player with upside but otherwise they are the same. In addition, Beckett is a huge pickup (a better pitcher than Burnett for half the price) and the Red Sox have excellent young pitching depth that should continue to improve. I think they will fall just short to the Yankess but I still forsee a 1-2 finish with the Red Sox getting the wildcard.

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 01:41 AM

Hey green, I take it your a brewers fan, can you explain to me wtf was ben sheet doing resigning. I can understand him possibly being a moron, but what the Fuck was his agent thinking. He could have competed and gotten a HUGE payday in the free agent market.


Yeah, I live in Madison, WI. To be honest, I think Sheets knew the Brewers were an improving organization and he wanted to be a part of that. Not to mention he got a pretty nice payday to stay too. ;)

#26 ryanbph

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 01:45 AM

Dopa, as much as I like the red sox, and I do believe they will be first or 2nd in the al east, I don't agree with your breakdows. Lowell is 50% at BEST will do better offensively then bill mueller. Besided hitting .300 or in that area every year, mueller was CLUTCH and came up with key hits almost as often as big pappi, the difference being they were singles. Gonsalez is not a huge upgrade over the career of renteria. Rent had a horrible fielding year, but he was throwing to kevin millar. If you look at rent stats, he has had some horrible fielding seasons, followed up by stellar ones. Gonzalez, I hope to god doesn't make the roster, and that they go with the rookie dustin pedrioa. Loretta is great if you are considering him replacing bellhorn, but if you consider him replacing graffinino, i think it was a mistake. We still have graffinio, and in order to get loretta, we had to trade the catcher the wakefield pitched to. Wakefield didn't win 1 game without mirabelli last season. Mirabelli missed at least a month with an injury. I don't think that loretta will be as much of an upgrade over the loss of wakefields trusted catcher. Graffinio was solid in the field and hit .316, played a lot last year compared to his usual back up role, and fit in/played well in boston.

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#27 ryanbph

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 01:47 AM

Yeah, I live in Madison, WI. To be honest, I think Sheets knew the Brewers were an improving organization and he wanted to be a part of that. Not to mention he got a pretty nice payday to stay too. ;)


he might have been paid great for millwakee brewer money, but the red sox, yankee's would have dueled it out for him. Throw in other potential big spenders in the mets, the angels and the tigers. Also the orioles have money to spend as does the dodgers. He would have made well over 10mill per season on the free agent market, when you look at people like carl pavano making $10mill, and matt clement making $9mill a season

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 02:14 AM

Dopa, as much as I like the red sox, and I do believe they will be first or 2nd in the al east, I don't agree with your breakdows. Lowell is 50% at BEST will do better offensively then bill mueller. Besided hitting .300 or in that area every year, mueller was CLUTCH and came up with key hits almost as often as big pappi, the difference being they were singles. Gonsalez is not a huge upgrade over the career of renteria. Rent had a horrible fielding year, but he was throwing to kevin millar. If you look at rent stats, he has had some horrible fielding seasons, followed up by stellar ones. Gonzalez, I hope to god doesn't make the roster, and that they go with the rookie dustin pedrioa. Loretta is great if you are considering him replacing bellhorn, but if you consider him replacing graffinino, i think it was a mistake. We still have graffinio, and in order to get loretta, we had to trade the catcher the wakefield pitched to. Wakefield didn't win 1 game without mirabelli last season. Mirabelli missed at least a month with an injury. I don't think that loretta will be as much of an upgrade over the loss of wakefields trusted catcher. Graffinio was solid in the field and hit .316, played a lot last year compared to his usual back up role, and fit in/played well in boston.


Lowell will have a big bounce back year, 25 HR, 90+ RBI and plays gold glove defense. I loved Mueller but the fact remains he had too little power for a 3B. I agree Gonzalez is a downgrade at SS but his defense is definitely superior and makes up somewhat his offensive shortcomings and he has enough power to be dangerous at the bottom of the order. I think you have to agree that Graffinino overachieved considerably and at best he is a solid utility infielder so I think it's fine for him to return to that role. Losing Mirabelli hurts... a little but I'm sure Varitek can adjust to catch Wakefield (or they can groom another backup catcher to play that role).

#29 craven_fiend

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 02:22 AM

Just look at the CWS, Gonzalez proves he can have some pop to his swing by winning a few games for the Venenzulian team. I wish Rentierra would've gotten a 2nd chance this year to work out his fielding, but the pressure of playing on the big stage was what ultimately led to his departure.

Too bad he didn't voice his disgust prior to dealing Hanley, then SS wouldn't be too big of an issue.
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Posted 09 February 2006 - 02:23 AM

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