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#1 Strell

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 02:05 AM

Seriously. Can we please find another style to rip off repeatedly?

Every new webcomic in the goddamn world is nothing but feminine men and big breasted me-too women running around with triangle mouths, super powers, and angst. Throw in some half-ass wish-it-was-but-it-sorely-isn't lines and darkness. Oh, and don't forget the strange title, where you pick, say, a color (99% of the time it is blue, or some variation thereof, so cobalt or cerulean or something), a weapon name (as long as it isn't gun or sword), and then throw in an actual name. So, Blue Zweihander Gene. If you want, you can tack on a subtitle that is meant to be mysterious, like "Only the edges know."

Is it THAT hard to think up your own style? With your own shading, a different way to draw the eyes, and where every panel ISN'T some overly used pose? There's NOTHING intense about, say, talking about video games. Nothing. You do it all the time and guess what - dragons aren't flying around outside your window at night, the government doesn't have super secret humaniod battallions, and not every adventure you have has to be magnified to an apex of tension.

I won't mention that every cartoon these days is pushing some anime influences, and it is tiresome. Tiresome. Tiresome. Look, we know the sweatdrop. It is and has integrated into American culture. WE DON'T FUCKING NEED IT ANYMORE.

We don't need adolescent kids running around with their friends in some sort of fantasy world where there is an evil force hellbent on destroying everything, but for SOME reason they just CAN'T get away from this one kid and his friends.

The fascination with names needs to stop. Konseka Ganseikai. Look, I can make them up too. Jingai Goujinsetazuo. Holy shit! I did it again!

If someone can please explain to me why seemingly everyone has a hardon for anime these days - in their stories, in their art, in cartoons, in webcomics, in every last goddamn scifi or fantasy novel at Barnes and Nobles - I'd really appreciate it.

I like anime. I always have. I knew about before it was really in the mainstream, but right now it's just sad. It would be one thing if it wasn't so transparently copied that EVERYTHING that employees it wasn't just a palette change, but that's not the case. It's all a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy, when the original fascimile wasn't all that great to begin with. In other words, if we had Cowboy Bebop calibur stuff running around all over the place, I could forgive it. But it's like Pokemon copying Pokemon copying DBZ.

Just fucking stop it.

Give me some goddamn originality these days. It's possible, I know it is.

//yes, a poor attempt at a rant, but meh, I'm not looking for approval


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#2 jmcc

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 02:07 AM

I feel the same exact way...
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#3 jmcc

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 02:08 AM

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#4 Antiques Roadshow

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 02:08 AM

I agree. Anything that's "different", compared to your mentioned style, automatically sucks in the eyes of trollish children and man-boys across the 'Net.

Unlike you, and I feel sad to say this, I don't think it's possible for originality. :'(

A "drawererer" myself, I get easily annoyed at the new standard... so, more bitching to come (when I'm not at work)...

#5 sblymnlcrymnl

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 02:11 AM

It's those damn koreans with their affordable animation studios. :bomb: :lol:

#6 rabbitt

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 02:14 AM

We don't need adolescent kids running around with their friends in some sort of fantasy world where there is an evil force hellbent on destroying everything, but for SOME reason they just CAN'T get away from this one kid and his friends.


It's important for children and teens to have a strong imagination. (Now, for 15-19 year-olds to be running around role-playing, well...that's just weird) With or without Anime shows and graphic novels, kids will be running around immersed in their own world.

I agree with most of your Anime irks, however. It is an overly-cliched genre of cartoons and comics. Why, I was thinking the same exact thing as you when I paused on Cartoon Network for a minute.

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 02:40 AM

(Now, for 15-19 year-olds to be running around role-playing, well...that's just weird).


Tell that to all the 20-somethings who played Dungeons & Dragons in college. I liked the video games, but never understood the paper-based RPGs.

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#8 jmcc

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 02:52 AM

Tell that to all the 20-somethings who played Dungeons & Dragons in college. I liked the video games, but never understood the paper-based RPGs.

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#9 Metal Boss

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 03:06 AM

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#10 2poor

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 03:09 AM

the only anime people need to watch is akira. no overly big breasts or eyes.

#11 SpazX

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 03:11 AM

I just hate anime

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#12 Moxio

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 03:11 AM

No anime noooooo :cry:

#13 Guest_Apossum_*

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 03:28 AM

The good stuff is REALLY good (though my impression of "good" anime is crap to most other people who like it....but i'm not into the typical stuff...i'm just a guy who likes well-done art, stories, movies etc.) but most of it's bad. I don't understand how shows like DBZ and Naruto are so damn popular.

The influence, I don't see as much. From what i understand, it's in a lot of kids cartoons and webcomics, but i hardly watch/read those.

Tell that to all the 20-somethings who played Dungeons & Dragons in college. I liked the video games, but never understood the paper-based RPGs.


funny you mention that. i was just looking through the clubs list here at UW...there are about 15 D+D clubs, easily outranking the number of any one type of "cultural/leisure" club. I couldn't even get into d+d when I was 12, can't imagine i'd like it now. :lol:

#14 Kapwanil

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 03:35 AM

The first thing you want to do is to follow jmcc's link in his sig to Achewood. That'll help get a lot of the anime-influenced webcomic junk out of your system.

#15 kakomu

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 03:41 AM

the only anime people need to watch is akira. no overly big breasts or eyes.

No plot either. The only redeeming quality was Cam Clarke, and they nixed him in the newer "better" (worse) dub.
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#16 crystalklear64

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 06:54 PM

The anime style has become popular, and it may or may not change in time. That said, there are many things about anime that lend itself well to simple comics. Facial expressions are as easy as drawing bigger eyes or a smaller mouth. None of those complicated wrinkles (read: talent required) or scrunches that a real face would do. Also, no one questions the physically impossible hairstyles/colors of anime characters. When I think of quality animation, I don't think of anime, I think of works by artists like Don Bluth and Walt Disney (when it was done by Walt). Anyway, as long as anime is here, its a part of american culture, the whole melting pot thing... so we have to live with it until its popularity dies down, or its quality goes up.

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#17 itspaidgasterblaster

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 07:55 PM

You guys are right but, if you guys are so picky about stuff then you won't enjoy anything, I love RGP's but just about all of them revolve around the same premise. I love anime but just about everything is utterly childish. I don't need to have a deep story all the times or amazing art direction, sometimes we just need a break from reality. (not that i would play d&d's at my age) Its so simple to avoid the things you guys said just don't look at all the anime you guys call crap and just enjoy the ones you guys like.
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#18 Graystone

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 08:10 PM

I hate anime its stupid to me. I have noticed what OP means in other places then internet. Watch almost any cartoon on tv nowadays and it has the anime influence. It's really annoying IMO.

#19 jmcc

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 12:12 AM

The first thing you want to do is to follow jmcc's link in his sig to Achewood. That'll help get a lot of the anime-influenced webcomic junk out of your system.

They won't, which is a shame, because the current arc is shaping up to be awesome. I can't blame people, though. Achewood doesn't lend itself to casual reading at all.
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#20 TurkeyOnRye

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 12:30 AM

I think it depends on how much of the anime a program leeches. I dig the look of Teen Titans. Sure it has some anime-ness to it, but I think it's much closer to the incredible Batman:TAS than anything else, with some anime quirks that actually give it charm rather than detract.

I agree. Anything that's "different", compared to your mentioned style, automatically sucks in the eyes of trollish children and man-boys across the 'Net.

Unlike you, and I feel sad to say this, I don't think it's possible for originality. :'(

A "drawererer" myself, I get easily annoyed at the new standard... so, more bitching to come (when I'm not at work)...


It's not just kids, my friend, it's teenagers and young adults as well. Back in college (you know, way back like 4 years ago) I took a LOTR class because it sounded like fun and I had always been interested in LOTR but never really delved into it. The class was basically getting together and reading a chapter in the book and discussing what we were reading on our own. Of course, a bunch of the students in the class were the self-indulgent honors system asses (not all honors students are asses, but you know the ones) that knew everything there was to know on LOTR, anime and the such.

I basically sat in the class and would draw pictures on what I thought the characters looked like (not having seen the recently released first movie) and they were pretty damn good if I do say so myself. I tried to take a realistic approach to my work.

One day I happened to have to sit next to an honor student who drew in class too and she happened to be penciling out the typical anime school girl with a sword b.s. to the ooh's and aah's of her pals. The whore actually had the gall to look over at my paper and say "that's not bad" in a derogatory way sugar coated in pseudo-politeness.

I wanted to spit in her trendy thick rimmed "nerd" glasses.

#21 DuelLadyS

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 12:48 AM

I'm kida tired of it myself... it's one thing to do an entertaining and tasteful homage to the genre (Megas XLR), it's another to throw in stereotypical anime conventions for no other reason than an extra sell point (Teen Titans, amongst other far worse things I can't remember names of right now.)

Unfortunately, young trend-geeks seem to have no attention span, so it's all about quanity and not quality. It's OK if this shitty webcomic sucks, all I need is 10,000 hits to my webstore while it's the 'in' comic and I win! Then they can move on to something else. (I know a girl like this... I see her once a year at a con... and every single time, she's got a new 'best show/game ever' to worship. I've tried bringing up the previous year's item-of-choice before, and gotten nothing but bizzarre 'what's that' stares.)

The best thing to do is simply avoid contact with as much of it as you can. I read awhile back that sales of anime (real anime, not rip-off junk) plateaued- meaning we've hit the saturation point. it should calm down soon enough.

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 01:23 AM

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#23 sblymnlcrymnl

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 01:28 AM

I think it depends on how much of the anime a program leeches. I dig the look of Teen Titans. Sure it has some anime-ness to it, but I think it's much closer to the incredible Batman:TAS than anything else, with some anime quirks that actually give it charm rather than detract.

Like I said, it's those damn koreans with their affordable animation studios. I'm surprised Futurama didn't come out looking like that. :roll: :lol:

#24 Guest_Apossum_*

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 01:29 AM

They won't, which is a shame, because the current arc is shaping up to be awesome. I can't blame people, though. Achewood doesn't lend itself to casual reading at all.



ahhhh..so it's part of a larger story? i was gonna say, that strip makes less sense then most anime :lol:

#25 kakomu

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 01:47 AM

I know a girl like this... I see her once a year at a con... and every single time, she's got a new 'best show/game ever' to worship. I've tried bringing up the previous year's item-of-choice before, and gotten nothing but bizzarre 'what's that' stares.)

That's why if you look at animenfo.com, the top 100 or whatever animes that are rated the highest by fans are all from about 2001 till now. I think the top 10 is a cluster of shows from 2004-2005, and maybe Evangelion.

Personally, I'm bored of anime, not because of the look or style, but rather, because of the cliches that appear to be present in all of them. However, I'm thinking that some of those cliches are just present in Japanese media, or in Japanese Life. Battle Royale is essentially a live-action anime.
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#26 jmcc

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 01:48 AM

ahhhh..so it's part of a larger story? i was gonna say, that strip makes less sense then most anime :lol:

The strip is really character driven. So if you don't start at the beginning and get the whole view of how the characters tick, you just won't find it funny. It is though. How many other comics can get away with a robotic lying machine convincing a 6 year old that by touching a flower he got it pregnant and has to marry it to do the honorable thing? Then the kid's pen-pal from Japan comes and picks the flower to present to her friend by mail on their first meeting?
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#27 sblymnlcrymnl

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 01:54 AM

The strip is really character driven. So if you don't start at the beginning and get the whole view of how the characters tick, you just won't find it funny. It is though. How many other comics can get away with a robotic lying machine convincing a 6 year old that by touching a flower he got it pregnant and has to marry it to do the honorable thing? Then the kid's pen-pal from Japan comes and picks the flower to present to her friend by mail on their first meeting?

I see the funny, but how do the characters matter? Maybe you need a better example. :lol:

#28 WebScud

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 01:54 AM

I think it depends on how much of the anime a program leeches. I dig the look of Teen Titans. Sure it has some anime-ness to it, but I think it's much closer to the incredible Batman:TAS than anything else, with some anime quirks that actually give it charm rather than detract.


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#29 zionoverfire

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 01:55 AM

How about we stop using anything Mario related while we're at it, if they is one thing that's been beaten to death worse than anime it's fucking mario.

#30 jmcc

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 02:04 AM

I see the funny, but how do the characters matter? Maybe you need a better example. :lol:

Yeah, I suppose. Because there's an even amount of non-wacky bits in the series that end up just as funny, if not moreso, because of the backstory of the characters. Roast Beef seems like a pretty blase character if you pick a random strip with him in it, but when you add in his background from previous strips and his blog (the author goes as far as to create blogs for all the main characters in the comic which are updated regularly) he goes beyond being just a 2 dimensional straightman to something much better.
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