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#1 Reality's Fringe

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 12:27 AM

Well, I got pulled over tonight for "running a stop sign". I was a bit confused at first, because I didn't really remember doing so, but I realized what he meant. See, I was coming down a residential street planning to turn right. There was no traffic to my left (which is a 4 lane street), so I slowed down to about 4 mph to make sure. Seeing that I was quite literally clear for a country mile, I turned right and continued on my way. Well, about a mile up the road I get pulled over by a traffic cop who says I ran the stop sign. He claimed he would let me off with a warning, but I "put people in danger" by doing what I did. Thus, I have to appear in court in a week on my 1st offence. Now, by strict definition, I ran it. I did not come to a complete and total stop. However, I know Traffic units are able to make judgement calls (especially considering he said he was going to give me a warning). My problem is, how is a "rolling stop" at 4mph going right onto a 4 lane road with 0 traffic endangering the lives of others? Regardless, he says I have to be in court, but can't I just pay the fine and avoid it?
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 12:32 AM

You should be able to plead no contest and pay a fine without appearing in court. This information should be on the ticket.

And yes, they're just being jerks mostly.

I want to have a bumper sticker that says, "Good job protecting us all from me going 5 over."

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 12:33 AM

Jerks. If traffic tickets only took points off a license, then they'd be protecting us. But they're making money, so up their couches.
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#4 Graystone

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 12:35 AM

Explain it to the judge most of the time simple stuff like this gets thrown out if you put up a fuss. Were I live the cop has to come to court the same day you do. Half the people I know that have went to court got off cause the cop never showed.

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 12:39 AM

Explain it to the judge most of the time simple stuff like this gets thrown out if you put up a fuss. Were I live the cop has to come to court the same day you do. Half the people I know that have went to court got off cause the cop never showed.


The problem is that I'm a student, so I'd be putting myself out trying to show up. I just noticed something hilarious, apparently I didn't show proof of insurance, even though I handed him my fucking insurance card. Wow, thank you officer! Now I have to deal with that. Anyone want to buy a New Digital Devil Saga? I'm going to need some money.
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#6 Graystone

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 12:42 AM

I want to have a bumper sticker that says, "Good job protecting us all from me going 5 over."


The problem with that is your still breaking the law. In a street cops eyes all criminals are equal at the time of arrest or ticket. With a bumper sticker like that your basically saying, "hey I'm not as bad as him"

To play devils advocate, I agree with the bumper sticker. As I type this I hear police sirens and a later tonight I will hear gunshots, coming from a few blocks away where they sell guns out of a car wash. My point is yes there people doing worse then me or you speeding, but the cops can't stop all bad people or the world would stop spinning.

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 12:46 AM

i understand what youre sayin. but really now, is it that hard to come to a complete stop and just pause for one second. sure it was clear, and sure you coasted very very very slowly, but thats not the point. you should have just stopped. im sure you would have saved about, oh 5 seconds by doing the ol california stop. but cmon!

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 12:46 AM

The problem with that is your still breaking the law. In a street cops eyes all criminals are equal at the time of arrest or ticket. With a bumper sticker like that your basically saying, "hey I'm not as bad as him"

To play devils advocate, I agree with the bumper sticker. As I type this I hear police sirens and a later tonight I will hear gunshots, coming from a few blocks away where they sell guns out of a car wash. My point is yes there people doing worse then me or you speeding, but the cops can't stop all bad people or the world would stop spinning.


I'm not coming against the fact that I didn't come to a complete stop, but Traffic Cops give warnings. I bet if I had big fucking titties he would've let me off with a smile.
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 12:49 AM

I got a story for you: I got a ticket for running a red light with my bicycle once (in San Francisco). Everyone....I mean Everyone....riding a bike will run a red light in San Francisco if there is no traffic. Its all part of the norm.

So when this Cop pulled me over - I was shocked. I went to the courts later on and approached the judge about it and asked for leinency (spelling?) since I was poor at the time. The Judge threw out the ticket.

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#10 Rusty Ghia

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 12:50 AM

I bet if I had big fucking titties he would've let me off with a smile.


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Posted 09 March 2006 - 12:57 AM

I got a story for you: I got a ticket for running a red light with my bicycle once (in San Francisco). Everyone....I mean Everyone....riding a bike will run a red light in San Francisco if there is no traffic. Its all part of the norm.

So when this Cop pulled me over - I was shocked. I went to the courts later on and approached the judge about it and asked for leinency (spelling?) since I was poor at the time. The Judge threw out the ticket.


Hmm. Maybe I have a good chance then? It's my first offense, and I'm DIRT poor. I just spent $200 to fix my brakes, and I have to spend another $60 this week for tags. I'm a student for Christ's sake, that's as poor as you get. I swear, if this town had a good mass transit system, I wouldn't bother.
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 12:59 AM

I bet if I had big fucking titties he would've let me off with a smile.


LMAO! i can imagine mario in your avatar screaming this at the top of his lungs!

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Well, to be honest, it's hard for people to be outraged about something once they know the facts. And it takes more effort to dig up facts than be outraged. ;)

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#13 zionoverfire

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 01:05 AM

My problem is, how is a "rolling stop" at 4mph going right onto a 4 lane road with 0 traffic endangering the lives of others?


I didn't realize it suddenly became legal to run stop lights and signs when no one else is around.

Go to court, plead no contest and ask the judge for a reduced fine because it's your first offense and you're a poor student.

#14 botticus

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 01:17 AM

I'm curious how you went from getting a warning to getting a ticket. I hope you didn't get into this discussion with the cop ;)

I've only been pulled over once, and afterwards I almost wish he gave me a ticket, othe than the hassle. I sped around someone who was going like 15 in a 25, and I guess when the cop tagged me, I was going 44. He tells me I was going 44 in a 25, and to slow down from now on. But the speed limit changes to 35 well before I was within range of him (we're talkin a half mile, and assuming I was going 44 the second I passed the guy in front of me, he would have needed to tag me within seconds), so I was really going 44 in a 35. Regardless of my speed, I'm pretty sure if the cop didn't know what the speed limit was, it would be pretty simple to show he didn't know what speed I was going.

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 01:24 AM

I'm curious how you went from getting a warning to getting a ticket. I hope you didn't get into this discussion with the cop ;)


Oh no, I was compliant and respectful which is way more than I should have been now that I realized he claimed on the ticket I didn't show proof of insurance when I puit the card in his hand. He said he was going to give me a warning, but what I did endangered the lives of others. This is where the disbelief and anger comes in as there was no one fucking there. I'm not questioning the semantics of legality here, because I didn't come to a "complete stop", but if the guy was going to give me a warning anyway but didn't because of my "wreckless behavior" then I have to question what the hell he was talking about. Oh well. Live, learn, hold a grudge against cops. :lol:
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 01:37 AM

I hate when some cops act on a power trip like that. IMO, he should have just given you a warning. It seems like cops always want to give people a rough time. There is a school zone that I drive through often that is about 1 minute away from the police station. It's 15 mph when the light is flashing and I try to stay 15 - 20 mph. People zoom through at 25 - 35 mph and even though I see cops on the road all the time they never get pulled over. Yet I was double parked near the school waiting (basically on the shoulder), the cop threatened everyone who was waiting there (a common pickup point that everyone uses all the time for picking up someone from the school) to move or get ticketed.

If someone is going really fast like 40 in a 25 residential area, I can see how they are pulling someone over for safety reasons but not completely stopping at a stop sign is not worth being pulled over for IMO

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 01:51 AM

here's one for you, EVERY car I ever had (4) in my name I would get pulled over on a regular basis with no ticket given EVER, just pulled over for a fake light being broken or some lame excuse. I now have a really nice car but for a experiment I put it in my mothers name (big tymers style) and I have not gotten pulled over once, WTF?!
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 03:09 AM

Also, you have to remember that he is a traffic cop and he is supposed to be out there finding people who violate traffic laws. Regardless of you posing a danger, you broke the law and we pay good money for him to issue you a citation. He has no type of quota, but he is a traffic cop and he is expected to be out there busting people who break traffic laws. You broke the law (and admitted it) even if it was unintential and got caught. End of story.


Jerks. If traffic tickets only took points off a license, then they'd be protecting us. But they're making money, so up their couches.


Umm... you do realize they are taking your money in order to deter you from doing it again, right? Most people couldn't care less about the point system and don't realize the recourse of their actions. However, money talks. In fact, in most places in Europe, the citation is based on your income.
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 03:14 AM

Umm... you do realize they are taking your money in order to deter you from doing it again, right? Most people couldn't care less about the point system and don't realize the recourse of their actions. However, money talks. In fact, in most places in Europe, the citation is based on your income.

If people are deterred by it, so be it, but it's strictly a stream of revenue for municipalities.
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 03:33 AM

I know for a fact in my city the officers assigned to traffic DO have a quota.
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 03:48 AM

Aren't you the same guy that said they pull you over for a "fake light" or something like that? And, yet, you know the inner workings of your police department enough to know they have a quota?

Sounds to me that most of you are just bitter at the police.
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 04:03 AM

Aren't you the same guy that said they pull you over for a "fake light" or something like that? And, yet, you know the inner workings of your police department enough to know they have a quota?

Sounds to me that most of you are just bitter at the police.


bitter nah, but really I'm sure most cities police force could be of better use then handing out tickets for minor traffic things such as the OP's current situation.
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 12:29 PM

I want to be an NY traffic cop and pull over all these assholes that drive in Hummers and talk on thier cellphones and run redlights since they are to busy talking.

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 02:00 PM

Where I live, I wish the cops would pull over more people.

The fact is, you did break the law and now you'll probably will be more careful in the future, perhaps saving a life (maybe your own).

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 02:14 PM

The whole reason for recieving fines for speeding, running red lights, etc. is becuase its a money making machine for the city and state. Thats all it is... sure a lot of traffic laws do make the roads safer but all its comes down to is revenue. Why do you think there are cameras mounted on top of stop lights now? Imagine the type of revenue that generates.

Another thing is cops are hypocrites. Ive seen cops break all kinds of traffic laws but will pull you over and lecture you for doing the same thing. Its all bullshit.


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#26 RacinReaver

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 02:23 PM

Heh, beats the $600 ticket my friend just got the other week for going 30 in a school zone (we checked, and the fine for leading police on a car chase isn't even that much)..

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 02:32 PM

Wah, wah, wah. Boo fucking hoo.

You broke the law, there's no footnote on a stop sign that says "unless you loook both ways, and you're clear for a country mile, then just roll right on through". You know the old saying, "don't do the crime if you can't do the time". You also signed the ticket saying that you hadn't provided him proof of insurance. You should have read it before you signed it.


As for jeopardizing lives, you did. I was hit by a jackass just like you. I was walking through a crosswalk, with the light on solid "walk" when this prick in an SUV decided to do a rolling stop through the light (there was no traffic coming in the direction he was looking, left), and he "rolling stop"ped right into my ass. If I hadn't yelled and slammed my fist down on the hood of his car, he'd have hit the gas and rolled right over me. But hey, I'm sure it was his first rolling stop, too.

I weep for the death of personal responsibility in this country. Man up, Nancy, and accept your punishment.

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 03:00 PM

no shit it's all about the money. why else do you think they give you a ticket for not wearing a seat belt? $$$. me not wearing a seat belt hurts nobody but me. and if i want to take the chance of risking my life, it's my choice, not theirs. but no, they know they can make money off it, so it's a ticketable offense now. what next? make it illegal to run with scissors?

and if it's not about the money, it's about the ego/power trip. if you're not intimidated by their power and refuse to kiss their ass, they'll do whatever they can to screw with you.

here's a little story that happened to me a few years ago. i was on my way to work, running late so i was going about 65 in a 55. i pull into work. while i was waiting for the gate to open a state cop pulls in behind me gives me a ticket for speeding. i was pissed, so as soon as he handed me the ticket, i crumpled it, tossed it in the back seat, slammed the car into drive and nailed the gas. left him standing there (i was on private property now, there was nothing he could do about it.) so, when i went to mail in the ticket , on that little part of the check where you write what it's for, i wrote "for filling some pig's quota", crumpled the check and ticket into a little ball and stuffed it into an envelope. a week or so later i got the reciept back in th mail with a summons to court for contempt for it. (so much for freedom of expression/speech) the judge lookedup my record to see if there was anything on there he could use to haul me in for, but there wasn't. he was going to fine me $100 and put me in jail for 3 days.
now here comes the good part. my father in law knew the judge, campaigned to get him elected. he called him up, told him i wsa his son in law and got me off the hook. (finally government corruption works in the small guy's favor) i still had to go to court, but when i got there he just pretty much told me not to do it again.

if they can't make money off of you, and nobody is about to die, they don't give a crap about you. my father called the cops one time because there was someone vandalizing his truck. it took them 2-3 hours to show up. we live in a small town, about the worst we ever get here is an occasional case of domestic violence. so i highly doubt there was any serious crimes going on at the time that needed the attention of every cop in town. they didn't see the chance to make any money so they didn't do shit about it except file a report when they finally got around to showing up.

another time i caught the neighbor kids shooting my car with a bb gun, so i called the cops. (i would have beat their asses myself, but they were only 12 or 13 and i was 18-19) took the cops 1 - 1 1/2 hours to show up. they didn't even question the kids. all they did was file a report.

then there was the time someone hit my car in a store parking lot. they hit it hard enough to put a good sized dent in the door. the cop tried to tell me a shopping cart done it. now the way my car was parked and the side the dent was on, a cart would have had to roll UPHILL to hit my car, let alone to put that size of a dent in it.

i have plenty of other stories of police laziness, but i've ranted long enough for now.
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 03:25 PM

Wah, wah, wah. Boo fucking hoo.

You broke the law, there's no footnote on a stop sign that says "unless you loook both ways, and you're clear for a country mile, then just roll right on through". You know the old saying, "don't do the crime if you can't do the time". You also signed the ticket saying that you hadn't provided him proof of insurance. You should have read it before you signed it.


As for jeopardizing lives, you did. I was hit by a jackass just like you. I was walking through a crosswalk, with the light on solid "walk" when this prick in an SUV decided to do a rolling stop through the light (there was no traffic coming in the direction he was looking, left), and he "rolling stop"ped right into my ass. If I hadn't yelled and slammed my fist down on the hood of his car, he'd have hit the gas and rolled right over me. But hey, I'm sure it was his first rolling stop, too.

I weep for the death of personal responsibility in this country. Man up, Nancy, and accept your punishment.



Thank you, Mr. Internet Hardcore Topical Person Man for your badass attitude regarding my "plight". Your Dirty Harry no nonsense forum post has made me realize that maybe I should show up for court, even though I had already resigned myself to doing just that. I also appreciate your story, which while illogical, makes me realize that my situation was exactly like yours. Except I looked right and left twice(even on the sidewalk), it was a stop sign, there was no traffic pedestrian or otherwise, and (unless he was doing a speed slower than people jog) I was going slower. I'm also glad that you got the point of my post which was, of course, "Man, I broke the law and I shouldn't have to pay" as opposed to "The cop was going going to give me a warning, but changed his mind for a reason that makes little sense". I'm happy that you think I would be foolish enough to sign something without reading it! It's not as if the cop wrote the ticket, tossed it in my window, told me to show up for court, and then sped away or anything. I'm also glad you took the time to lament the lack of personal responsibility in this country, because we were all blissfully unaware of that. Thus, I have to thank you again, especially for the part where you called me "Nancy" at the end(which is what I assume to be an attack on my "manhood", because men always take what they feel to be injustices and annoyances in stride. I've never seen a guy blow anything out of proportion, ever) because it has inspired me to new and great heights. Your Judge Mathis like tough-love is much more poignant than simply stating (like others in the thread) that the cop was right.
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#30 raveneyes

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 03:27 PM

::shurgs:: around here, if you take the chance by not coming to the stop, you take the chance of them writing you up a 150 dollar ticket.


generally speaking it's easier to just stop. I mean it's not like he's in the wrong by doing his fucking job. Unless you're going to protest the fact there was a big red sign with STOP written on it..

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