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#1 Will

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 04:21 PM

On another site I made the following post for shits and giggles yet theres total truth to it-

I titled it-
Money Shots

The body said-
I wouldnt mind laying one across Lita. I like the fact she's a dirty
double u-ach-oh-are-e. Even Gail Kim..i likes them orientals.
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Then I get a pm from someone saying-

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The use of "orientals"

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I seriously take offense to that term. You may be joking and kidding, but that is a very derogatory word. I kindly ask you edit and just use Asian.

Sensitivity goes a long way plus you do have a young audience in these forums. I would hate to see people drop the "n" word next and think it's funny. I hope you see my point.
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Am I wrong or that out of touch with today's society that using the word oriental is racial slang?

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#2 Guest_Apossum_*

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 04:25 PM

I had no idea...

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#3 TimPV3

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 04:29 PM

Since when is Oriental racist?

#4 Graystone

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 04:30 PM

I had no idea...

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:D

When I was in school I said Oriental about something. My teacher said that was derogatory. He was Irish not Asian though.

#5 dcfox

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 04:30 PM

That's our word, you can't use :-x.

But all joking aside, oriental is an outdated word, to me it's like saying someone is "colored". I don't particularly mind if someone uses it in a non-derogatory manner, but I would prefer they just use Asian.



#6 jmcc

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 04:31 PM

Yeah, oriental is out and asian is in, which is dumb since they both denote the same region. Still, go with the flow, I guess. Me, I call people by name rather than any descriptor other than gender.
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#7 Guest_Apossum_*

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 04:33 PM

Nope, can't say Asian either...

Some people think the term "Oriental" is derogatory, largely because of its connection to imperial 19th century Europeans and Americans who are thought to have held a patronising attitude towards the region. Many of these people saw the East as backwards, while the West was seen as logical, rational and more modern. Furthermore, it is claimed that some courses in "Oriental studies" were riddled with inaccurate information that was used to justify colonization of these countries. Some Asian Americans see parallels between the word "oriental" and "nigger", though many see it as simply old-fashioned and functionless, as many African Americans see the word "Negro". The main criticism of the term is that it is overly vague, referring to a category of peoples with widely divergent cultural and ethnic backgrounds and no clear division between which groups belong to the term and which do not. In the USA, the location where most of the objections to usage of "oriental" occur when describing people, the term is often replaced with "Asian", which is also criticised as overly vague and confusing.



#8 jmcc

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 04:36 PM

That's our word, you can't use :-x.

But all joking aside, oriental is an outdated word, to me it's like saying someone is "colored". I don't particularly mind if someone uses it in a non-derogatory manner, but I would prefer they just use Asian.

It's funny that colored is still in use today by the NAACP, isn't it?
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#9 Guest_Apossum_*

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 04:36 PM

Yeah, oriental is out and asian is in, which is dumb since they both denote the same region. Still, go with the flow, I guess. Me, I call people by name rather than any descriptor other than gender.



must get tedious when you refer to entire races and ethnicities :P

#10 Kayden

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 04:36 PM

I was told oriental was for objects and Asain was for people.
IE- Look at all the Asians on the Oriental Express.

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#11 Will

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 04:39 PM

I didnt think it was a bad thing to be honest. I thought the other person took it a bit far comparing it to the N word.

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#12 jmcc

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 04:39 PM

must get tedious when you refer to entire races and ethnicities :P

I'll report in on it when I get to know an entire race or ethnicity.
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#13 bobo2k4

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 04:42 PM

As long as you dont call me a chink it doesnt matter.
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#14 jmcc

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 04:42 PM

I didnt think it was a bad thing to be honest. I thought the other person took it a bit far comparing it to the N word.

Yes, a bit. "Jap" or "chink" might have been comparable. Oriental doesn't carry nearly the same hate.
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#15 dcfox

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 04:42 PM

It's funny that colored is still in use today by the NAACP, isn't it?

I've always wondered about that.



#16 Will

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 04:47 PM

Yes, a bit. "Jap" or "chink" might have been comparable. Oriental doesn't carry nearly the same hate.


"Jap" or "Chink" I can see, but oriental? Guess I cant say fairly that its absurd since my heritage isnt from there.

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#17 botticus

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 04:49 PM

I can see what the problem is, but as a non-Asian, I wouldn't have read anything into it. I call people whose families are from Asia "Asian" because I knew a lot of Asians in school and that's what they referred to themselves generically as. Oriental is frankly a lot more accurate since it doesn't refer to the Middle East and whatnot (at least not that I've ever heard), which is a totally different culture but still part of Asia.

I guess next time just say Japanese or Chinese or whatever?

#18 jmcc

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 04:55 PM

"Jap" or "Chink" I can see, but oriental? Guess I cant say fairly that its absurd since my heritage isnt from there.

I can. Oriental is one too many syllables for racists to handle.
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#19 wbc1228

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 04:56 PM

I was told oriental was for objects and Asain was for people.
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that is what i believe in too.

and yes, i'm asian.
being labeled as "oriental" is a little weird but i don't find it offensive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriental

it is funny that only some asian-american take offense to this term (it is not much of an issue in the rest of the world). if you don't use the word in a negative aspect, then it is NOT offensive.

oh, one final thing
please tell the other user that PORN is derogatory and degrading too (at least to some people).
he/she shouldn't even be clicking a link called "money shots" in the first place

#20 jmcc

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 04:57 PM

I can see what the problem is, but as a non-Asian, I wouldn't have read anything into it. I call people whose families are from Asia "Asian" because I knew a lot of Asians in school and that's what they referred to themselves generically as. Oriental is frankly a lot more accurate since it doesn't refer to the Middle East and whatnot (at least not that I've ever heard), which is a totally different culture but still part of Asia.

I guess next time just say Japanese or Chinese or whatever?

Mmm...Asian refers to as far over as India, at least, so it's only slightly more accurate than Oriental, really.
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#21 RBM

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 04:57 PM

:pray:

O Heavenly Lord above, save us thy faithful flocks of orientals, colored people, caucasians, latinos, albinos, winos, asians, europeans, chocolate thunder from down unders, chinky winkys, mooks, kooks, gobbeldyg00ks, fruit bats, blacks, knicks, knacks, paddywacks, WASPS, hornets, cheap-asses, non-cheap asses, fat-asses, dumb-asses, and your run-of-the-mill boring, non-descript multi-ethnic shmuck from the horrors of :censored:-ing political :censored:-ing correctness.
Amen.

#22 jmcc

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 04:58 PM

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O Heavenly Lord above, save us thy faithful flocks of orientals, colored people, caucasians, latinos, albinos, winos, asians, europeans, chocolate thunder from down unders, chinky winkys, mooks, kooks, gobbeldyg00ks, fruit bats, blacks, knicks, knacks, paddywacks, WASPS, hornets, cheap-asses, non-cheap asses, fat-asses, dumb-asses, and your run-of-the-mill boring, non-descript multi-ethnic shmuck from the horrors of :censored:-ing political :censored:-ing correctness.
Amen.

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#23 Guest_Apossum_*

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 04:59 PM

run-of-the-mill boring, non-descript multi-ethnic shmuck


stop being so racist...we prefer to be called "mutts"

#24 Hex

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 05:12 PM

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O Heavenly Lord above, save us thy faithful flocks of orientals, colored people, caucasians, latinos, albinos, winos, asians, europeans, chocolate thunder from down unders, chinky winkys, mooks, kooks, gobbeldyg00ks, fruit bats, blacks, knicks, knacks, paddywacks, WASPS, hornets, cheap-asses, non-cheap asses, fat-asses, dumb-asses, and your run-of-the-mill boring, non-descript multi-ethnic shmuck from the horrors of :censored:-ing political :censored:-ing correctness.
Amen.


You forgot skanks and skallywags. :shame:

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#25 depascal22

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 05:13 PM

colored is still in NAACP because it's a brand name. If they went and changed the name, people wouldn't know who the hell to turn to when a honky rascist cracker cop starts using a brother's head for batting practice. oh and i'll use any damn identifier for a person that i want to. i can't stop people on xbox live from calling me a nigger, why can't i say oriental? it seems nowhere near as derogatory as chink, slope, yellow skin, or jap.

#26 RBM

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 05:23 PM

:pray: May bobo embrace his Inner Chink and fear not its outer manifestation in the mouths of abrasive passer-by's

:pray: May Apossum the Mutt find a loving owner soon

:pray: May jmcc the Prayer Gestapo Officer's penis grow another 0.5" in the night, so that he may finally stop drenching his own testicles when he goes

:pray: May Tiphiret the Self-Appointed Spokesman for the Skanks and Scalliwags of the world eventually be granted membership in their crabs-infested ranks

#-o ...and please help me to avoid mistakenly using Thy where I should have used Thine in the future, 'cause You know I need all the help I can get with my :censored:-ing sloppy grammar.

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 05:25 PM

I was told oriental was for objects and Asain was for people.
IE- Look at all the Asians on the Oriental Express.


There you go. Just follow that rule and score tight ass all night. Nothing freaks an (chinese, korean, japanese) chick more while she's drunk, than calling her and oriental.

#28 jmcc

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 05:33 PM

:pray: May bobo embrace his Inner Chink and fear not its outer manifestation in the mouths of abrasive passer-by's

:pray: May Apossum the Mutt find a loving owner soon

:pray: May jmcc the Prayer Gestapo Officer's penis grow another 0.5" in the night, so that he may finally stop drenching his own testicles when he goes

:pray: May Tiphiret the Self-Appointed Spokesman for the Skanks and Scalliwags of the world eventually be granted membership in their crabs-infested ranks

#-o ...and please help me to avoid mistakenly using Thy where I should have used Thine in the future, 'cause You know I need all the help I can get with my :censored:-ing sloppy grammar.

That's it. The ACLU is getting a call now.
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#29 alonzomourning23

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 05:36 PM

Oriental is offensive to some. Older asians usually do not find it offensive, but it's very risky to use with younger ones. I think there's a few reasons for this. One, it was a name placed on them, not one they chose. Two, it's a name that has often been used as an insult. And, three, as someone said, oriental is often understood to refer to things, not people.

Though when referring to chinese, japanese etc. the "modern" term is east asian.

Basically, this is one of those things that only some will find offensive. Some won't like the word, but won't say anything as long as they don't think you mean offense by it, other will just correct you politely. I think it's unlikely someone would immediately jump in your face because it's not something that they expect everyone to know.

My opinion is if there is a significant risk of someone finding the term offensive then don't use it. It's just a word, why risk insulting and/or making yourself look bad when you can just use asian, east asian etc? It's not that hard.
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#30 jmcc

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 05:40 PM

For some reason this thread now makes me think "Dong, where is my automobile?"
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