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CAGcast #115: The Beta is Not a Chicken


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#121 moleson

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Posted 14 April 2008 - 08:38 PM

I doubt it was an act. They didn't replay the radio show afterwards, there is no show rundown on howardstern.com, and there are no plans to show it on Howard TV.
If you've listened closely recently, Artie has made several references about him doing coke. For a long time, he has not even joked about doing coke again...being very serious about his coke problem.
He has also been falling asleep during the show lately, perhaps suggesting that he has been up all night and not continuing the drug use during the show.

Also, I've seen Arties movies...his acting isn't that good.

Cheapy- Do you wanna see Jackie back or should they fix the Artie problem...I say screw it all and pay big bucks to get Billie West back in the game!!!!!

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#122 DJSteel

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Posted 14 April 2008 - 08:52 PM

I'd love to see Artie.. but if I were Howard, I'd tell him to stop his tours across the US. Maybe allow him to do one once a month locally or in the tri-state area. It's obvious the road is taking a toll on him..
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#123 SeanNOLA

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Posted 14 April 2008 - 08:57 PM

But I agree, a stereotyped 90's personality does not realistically fit on a different planet in the distant future. That society should have its own stereotypes.


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#124 LiK

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Posted 14 April 2008 - 09:16 PM

holy shit, people talking about Stern, *love love* too bad they're on vacation this week. i'd like to know the Artie situation now
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#125 M_Rated

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Posted 15 April 2008 - 05:11 AM

How about doing a poll using increments of 0.5 (1-10) for each category. Example, gameplay, graphics, sound, lasting appeal/replay value, fun factor, or etc. Have the reviewer describe in his post why he gave that score for each. Do an average "Overall Score", but also do a "final verdict" poll. Example, Buy at release/Pay retail (full price), Wait for a price drop($35-$50), Wait for it to become a Greatest Hit($25-$35), or it's a bargain bin/rental game($20 or below).

#126 evilpenguin9000

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Posted 15 April 2008 - 09:31 AM

Hey Wombat, what was that comic site you recommended? I am too lazy to redownload the CAGCast and hunt for the URL. I've recently gotten back into comics (somewhat) and am looking for some solid recommendations and reviews. Thanks.

#127 banodyne

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Posted 15 April 2008 - 02:26 PM

Hey Wombat, what was that comic site you recommended? I am too lazy to redownload the CAGCast and hunt for the URL. I've recently gotten back into comics (somewhat) and am looking for some solid recommendations and reviews. Thanks.

iFanboy - The hosts of the video podcast are really likeable.

And if I could give you a self-serving plug, ComicMix is pretty good site too. Comic news and articles and digital comics to read for free.

#128 catapult37

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Posted 15 April 2008 - 10:20 PM

I just want to say that assigning a dollar amount is PERFECT. It's novel -- it's appropriate to this site and it's not like any other review scale. A $30 rating for a $60 game isn't the same as giving it a 5/10 on a point scale... it indicates that a title is worth playing whenever it reaches a certain level of cheapness. It's perfect for CAG, cause it says that if you can get coupons or deals to get a game at the review price, it's worth it. You're right that prices fluctuate, but that still works perfectly -- prices will drop until it reaches the ideal review price, or maybe never get low enough if the game totally sucks. If it's something like the orange box that's just overflowing with awesome gaming value, the reviewer might even assigning it a higher-than-retail dollar amount, meaning this game is a must-buy at its current price, and would be worth even more. I really, really like this review idea and you simply have to do it. Otherwise you are just rehashing all the other websites. This would be new, interesting, and totally unique to CAG.
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#129 Wolfkin

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Posted 15 April 2008 - 11:10 PM

I'm going to go ahead and go with the 5 point scale. I say either 3 o 5. anything more than a 5 point scale is pointless. It detracts from the purpose of the scale. With a 100 point scale reviewers complain that noone reads the article but with 100 points Ishouldn't have to. With a 5 point scale it's ideal. You have a review scale that tells me which way the article leans. 3 is average. 4 is good. 5 is highly recommend/must buy (not necessarily perfect b/c nothing is perfect). 2 and 1 will hardly be used but that's a small issue. The benifit of the 5 point scale is that most games hopefully fall within the 3-4 range and what makes that difference b/w average and good.. read the article. The 5 of course denotes a game that will generally be used for 'must buys'. This way we end up using the entire scale instead of having that impossible 10.

You could always go with a 1-5 system
1- So bad I'd rather play the Aquaman game.
2- Hardcore fans of genre/IP only.
3- 100% average.
4- Very good, near perfect.
5- Portal good.


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#130 mnine

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Posted 16 April 2008 - 01:49 AM

that story about the guy that recognized cheapy and then proceeded to make fun of and kill him is priceless! i laughed my balls off. i think it was funnier the second time though.

great show, i "lol'd" a few times, which is exactly what I needed on a stern vacation week.

P.S. Artie is coming back Cheapy, I know he will.


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#131 DQT

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Posted 16 April 2008 - 03:24 AM

Great show. The thing about a Nintendo hard drive is its audience. Susie homemaker probably doesn't download VC games or do WiiWare. She won't need one. It'll fit the needs of traditional gamers who are savvy enough to handle a Wii hard drive. Nintendo should just do it.

#132 blazsox

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Posted 16 April 2008 - 04:38 AM

I've played Warhawk religiously and have rarely had any of those problems Wombat reported.
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#133 superkevx

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Posted 16 April 2008 - 07:52 AM

I don't post on cag much but I love this podcast! I even blogged about it!
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I second the 1-5 scale.

#134 dan13l858

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Posted 16 April 2008 - 08:15 AM

How about the Gold Star Scale. That was the shit back in grade school.

#135 dan13l858

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Posted 16 April 2008 - 08:18 AM

How about the Gold Star Scale. That was the S*** back in grade school.

#136 Kingfalcon

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Posted 16 April 2008 - 08:33 AM

I just want to say that assigning a dollar amount is PERFECT. It's novel -- it's appropriate to this site and it's not like any other review scale. A $30 rating for a $60 game isn't the same as giving it a 5/10 on a point scale... it indicates that a title is worth playing whenever it reaches a certain level of cheapness. It's perfect for CAG, cause it says that if you can get coupons or deals to get a game at the review price, it's worth it. You're right that prices fluctuate, but that still works perfectly -- prices will drop until it reaches the ideal review price, or maybe never get low enough if the game totally sucks. If it's something like the orange box that's just overflowing with awesome gaming value, the reviewer might even assigning it a higher-than-retail dollar amount, meaning this game is a must-buy at its current price, and would be worth even more. I really, really like this review idea and you simply have to do it. Otherwise you are just rehashing all the other websites. This would be new, interesting, and totally unique to CAG.

I couldn't have said it any better myself. The $$ system is by far the most ingenious and appropriate method.

#137 banodyne

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Posted 16 April 2008 - 03:30 PM

Wanted to chime in with the rating system debate. From a practical point, I don't see assigning a price value working. How about a value system? That's still a rating system but has a nice CAG slant to it.

$$$$$ - Get it even at full price
$$$$ - Worth it if you can get it on sale
$$$ - Wait till this gets discounted
$$ - Rent it
$ - Only if it's in the bargain bin

#138 ReaperHybrid

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Posted 16 April 2008 - 05:28 PM

I would love to see the value system for reviewing games ( the "what would you pay for this game" system. Using this system would be perfect for CAG because the price value of the game is the main focus and because no other websites (that I know of) are doig anything like this.


#139 dadeisvenm

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Posted 16 April 2008 - 06:16 PM

Hey Wombat, I'm not sure what Warhawk servers your playing on but if you filter the servers you might find more mature gamer but hey... whether your playing on a PC or PSP, team kills and ganking happen. Its a fact of life.

Now about the mic thing.... really you want more mics? Really?! I activate mute when I have the chance. If you are playing ANY team based game, a once of common sense is far greater then a mic.
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#140 Kfoster1979

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Posted 16 April 2008 - 09:29 PM

Good show guys. I think the review scale should be monetary, this is something I do now when talking about if people should buy a game. Not only would it help drive traffic to your site, but you might be able to get some deals from sites based on the CAG average price score. It seems that most people only read the reviews on games they have an interest in so the chance of buying that game is high anyway. If say you review a game and say that over all a good game but I wouldn't pay more than 30 bucks for it maybe I hold back and not waste money. Then you could add in a overall CAG price (kind of like gamespot avg score) where the CAGs give there idea on what its worth.


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#141 letsgetacid

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Posted 17 April 2008 - 12:15 AM

Regarding the rating system:
Keeping it simple is best. This isn't a videogame magazine, where people will bicker about .5 off a score. It's just a website profile review. A quick 1-5 scale will suffice. Let's face it, not many CAGs would even write reviews justifying their scores. With the 1-5, it keeps it quick and clean. That's just my view.

The dollar idea is, well....terrible as far as a rating for a game. Consider Portal. That game is definitely a 5 (going with the aforementioned scale). However, there is no possible way I would pay $60 for it (i.e. the max score in this scale). It's a short game, which is partially why it's great. It doesn't needlessly drag. However, it's SO short, that I would most certainly only pay $20 max (I am a CAG after all :)). Because of using currency as a rating, I can't rightly give Portal the rating it really deserves. A game can't just be rated in the sense of "how much is it worth". Portal is soooo damn great, but under the money system, it would be rated so damn low. That defeats the purpose of a rating system altogether to me.

Keep ratings as ratings. Let dollar value be something else. Combining the two into one will only serve to confuse the Fuck out of everybody. If the dollar thing is actually not meant to be a rating of the quality of the game, then disregard the previous rant.

Also regarding Wombat's comments about the harddrive and WiiWare titles:
He failed to think that if someone could manage to set up a wireless network, and get their Wii working on it, they could manage plugging a harddrive into a USB port. There's obviously SOMEONE in the household that could help Susie Homemaker with her predicament.
 

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#142 Kfoster1979

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Posted 17 April 2008 - 01:23 AM

Regarding the rating system:
Keeping it simple is best. This isn't a videogame magazine, where people will bicker about .5 off a score. It's just a website profile review. A quick 1-5 scale will suffice. Let's face it, not many CAGs would even write reviews justifying their scores. With the 1-5, it keeps it quick and clean. That's just my view.

The dollar idea is, well....terrible as far as a rating for a game. Consider Portal. That game is definitely a 5 (going with the aforementioned scale). However, there is no possible way I would pay $60 for it (i.e. the max score in this scale). It's a short game, which is partially why it's great. It doesn't needlessly drag. However, it's SO short, that I would most certainly only pay $20 max (I am a CAG after all :)). Because of using currency as a rating, I can't rightly give Portal the rating it really deserves. A game can't just be rated in the sense of "how much is it worth". Portal is soooo damn great, but under the money system, it would be rated so damn low. That defeats the purpose of a rating system altogether to me.

Keep ratings as ratings. Let dollar value be something else. Combining the two into one will only serve to confuse the Fuck out of everybody. If the dollar thing is actually not meant to be a rating of the quality of the game, then disregard the previous rant.


See I think it works well. Using your portal analogy the Orange Box has a whole is well worth the 60.00 you get 5 good games. Now if you base the review on portal alone then your right it's worth about 20.00 a very good game but short with little replay after you beat all the challenges. Now you can buy portal as a stand alone for 20.00(PC only). So the system works; if you want all 5 games plunk down the cash its worth it, If you just want portal then wait it out for a price drop or a stand alone budget title. My thinking is you can go to a ton of sites with 1-10 score or ABCDF hell game rankings just gives you the average score. This needs to be two fold for CAG : Drive up traffic, and give it a CAG touch. And whats a better way they saying GT5 prologue is a good driving sim, but is basically an overpriced demo. After you have unlocked and races the 4 tracks over there is little replay value. This title is worth 20.00... Your not saying its a 2.5 out of five your just suggesting that hey don't drop 40.00 on it, but it is worth 20.00 if you can get it for that price buy it. Thing is if your like me and love GT your going to buy it and I did however if you just on the fence you might hold out until you can get it for that price. Also it would be a floting scale the Highest score would be full price the original MSRP.

Anyway I think gamers take the scores too seriously. For me it's more about the context of the review not the over all score. And by having a different kind of scale you forcing people to read the review not just look at the Wombat score and move on. I don't know just my opinion.


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#143 DQT

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Posted 18 April 2008 - 06:39 AM

I forgot to mention this but Wombat, I am VERY GLAD you starting to acknowledge the redundant questions from the Cagbag. Kinda overdue, and I am quite surprised that you are the only person that gets complaints about them.

#144 Nobi-Wan

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Posted 18 April 2008 - 04:06 PM

Also, the last time Gamestop did this, the MGS:3 Snake-Eater LE sold for 3 times the cost on ebay.


That's Ebay, not MSRP. The LE of MGS3 that included a new camera system, a making of DVD, and Online Mode cost $40.
That's $10 less than the "gimped" original launch version cost. I bought two of them and still have one sealed. That being said, I wouldn't pay $85 for the "LE" version of MGS4 when I know that they're going to come out with some new, improved version of it next year. They've ALWAYS done that with every single MGS game. They're just milking the fanboys for all they're worth at launch and it's very transparent. Just wait til next year, you're gonna see some ultra-awesome edition of MGS4 and that's the version I'll buy.

Anyway, CheapyD, about the rating system you're thinking about. I'd really dig a system that does away with the stupid number system. It's flawed and can be interpreted so many different ways that most of the time it can be broken down much more simply. Just rate games as Buy, Wait For Price Drop (Buy Cheap), Rent, and Don't Even Bother.

#145 pbaz11

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Posted 18 April 2008 - 08:26 PM

Great show again CheapyD and Wombat. I've been a fan since show number 20 and I'm like Wombat and listen to a couple of other shows, but none compare to the CAGcast. The comic book segment was refreshing. Makes me wonder just how many comics Wombat reads a month?

Wombat, what do you think of the new title that was just confirmed, Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe?

And there was no need for Cole to be so stereotypical. Keep up the good work and can't wait for the next show.

#146 DT778

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Posted 18 April 2008 - 08:37 PM

Please don't start up a comic segment. Keep that stuff to a weekly thread by wombat. Stick to video games suckas.