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#61 Thomas96

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Posted 07 June 2008 - 02:01 PM

Your confusing what I meant, by founders I meant early colonists not founding fathers


they say the youth of today don't listen... guess they were right too.
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#62 usickenme

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Posted 07 June 2008 - 03:23 PM

Your confusing what I meant, by founders I meant early colonists not founding fathers


Okay but the Puritian weren't "founding" a new country. They clearly still considered themselves English.
The Purtians weren't the only settlers. The Virginia Colony was founded to make money and it predates Plymouth by a dozen years. That's not even counting the non-English settlers. At best, you're 1/4 right, kind of.

No one would really care about correcting you if you didn't play the part of Mr. Never-Wrong

#63 UltimoRey

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Posted 07 June 2008 - 06:49 PM

I agree that GH:Areosmith not playing GH3 DLC is not news. Also, I am actually a pretty big Aerosmith fan too, Cheapy and I have to say they did pick a lot of decent songs for the Guitar Hero game. Admittedly several favs are missing, and I don't understand why we need other bands on a suppossedly band-dedicated game. . What were the songs you thought they completely missed out on? Also, and this question goes to anyone, do you think if you were't a GH fan, that a game dedicated to your favorite band, would get you to play it?
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#64 Wombat

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Posted 07 June 2008 - 07:11 PM

Okay but the Puritian weren't "founding" a new country. They clearly still considered themselves English.
The Purtians weren't the only settlers. The Virginia Colony was founded to make money and it predates Plymouth by a dozen years. That's not even counting the non-English settlers. At best, you're 1/4 right, kind of.

No one would really care about correcting you if you didn't play the part of Mr. Never-Wrong


I think correcting me has become the meta-game within the CAGcast.

Back on the subject, The Puritans may not have intended one becoming one of the many groups that led to the founding of this country, but over time their children and grandchildren did.

#65 banodyne

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Posted 07 June 2008 - 07:30 PM

Definantely not the equivalent of Xbox Live Gold. The 360 equivalent of this would be those Inside Xbox videos. Which are free for even Silver accounts. Qore is like paying for Sony advertisements.

Bravo. Dead on. I was waiting for the fanboys' reaction to justify Qore.

Basically it comes down to this. People think the internet is 100% free. But companies have to pay for bandwidth. All those promos and demos cost money to distribute. A lot of money. The Xbox LIVE fee, in addition to providing a stabile online play infrastructure, subsidizes promos, demos and other stuff for everyone. Including the free Silver account members.

Qore is some bean counter's attempt to reduce costs.

#66 banodyne

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Posted 07 June 2008 - 07:39 PM

I have to chime in on the Marketplace content issue.

There's a notion in marketing called the 'Gruen transfer', named after the architect of the original mall. The theory is that malls are purposefully designed to disorient and confuse people. That's when you buy something else beyond what your original intent was. Why do you think all malls have anchor stores that don't have a direct line of sight? Why do people get lost in malls, or are unable to go directly to the store they want with negotiating escalators and passing by pretzel stands, sale signs and other goodies?

Now take this concept in the virtual shopping world. By getting lost in content; you might come across something in that big unorganized collection of media that is of interest to you. Buy it and you're succumbed to the ol' Gruen transfer.

I'm sure Microsoft knows this; I doubt they'll completely 'organize' their content so you can concisely pick what you want. It's bad business.

I don't know why people and Xbox execs themselves think the Marketplace is confusing. It's alphabetical. Scroll down the list. Find the game you want. Click it and see what content is available. There's even a checkmark to indicate what you've already bought.

Then again, seeing how Circuit City employees can't keep titles in any kind of order, maybe alphabetical is too hard for some people.

#67 banodyne

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Posted 07 June 2008 - 07:43 PM

I think correcting me has become the meta-game within the CAGcast.

There you go. That's the basis for the eventual Cheap Ass Gamer video game. People will pay $20 to follow Wombat around correcting him when he says something wrong.

#68 mik

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Posted 07 June 2008 - 09:09 PM

Bravo. Dead on. I was waiting for the fanboys' reaction to justify Qore.

Basically it comes down to this. People think the internet is 100% free. But companies have to pay for bandwidth. All those promos and demos cost money to distribute. A lot of money. The Xbox LIVE fee, in addition to providing a stabile online play infrastructure, subsidizes promos, demos and other stuff for everyone. Including the free Silver account members.

Qore is some bean counter's attempt to reduce costs.


Free demos, themes, videos, etc. aren't going anywhere on PSN.

#69 meager

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Posted 07 June 2008 - 10:25 PM

I hope the future installments of the Penny Arcade game reward those who have played the ones that come before...
First of all, they should price the game cheaper if you own the previous installment... 800 MS Points if have episode one, 1600 if you're a newcomer.
Additionally, they should let you carry over your character/stats/weapons and not start from scratch. To accomplish this, they'd need a totally new weapon set to upgrade that all players can work with, but veterns also get to use their powered-up weapon for the first episode.
Do you think such marketing would get players to invest in all episodes, or just avoid all of them?

I, for one, will probably invest in a new set of instruments with the next Guitar Hero game for one simple reason... owning two consoles. The 360 will be my Rock Band machine, and the PS3 shall be my Guitar Hero system.
It doesn't look good for Rock Revolution, however. Konami best make it work with existing equipment if they want me to give it a try.

#70 Unassuming Local Guy

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Posted 08 June 2008 - 03:26 AM

Cheapy... I agree 100% that Nintendo needs WiiWare downloads. Why? Because I bought Dr. Mario and it doesn't work! At all! I'm sure a demo would be the same code as the full game and I could have saved myself $10.

(I did call Nintendo support on it and the best they could do was knock $30 off the price of a system repair, making Dr. Mario a grand total of $70. Of course I declined as everything else is working fine. Oh... and no refunds on the Wii points either. Blah!)

#71 Daemon0101

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Posted 08 June 2008 - 04:27 PM

Your confusing what I meant, by founders I meant early colonists not founding fathers


After the comment by Cheapy that politicians need to demonstrate their faith in order to get elected, you made the comment:

You got to remember this country was founded on people that believed that...the reason they left Europe to come to the United States wasn't because they wanted freedom of religion because they wanted less religion, they wanted more religion.


If you meant to talk about those who came here and settled and not the founding fathers, you simply made a poor choice of words. The comment implies it shouldn't be surprising politicians need religion in their campaigns to win. This implication is based off the idea the country was founded with more religion in mind.

If memory serves me correctly, the founders, when forming the government, did not want the government to be involved in religion. While people are allowed to believe whatever they want, within reason, we shouldn't expect politicians to campaign on the steps of their house of worship.

In short, it's probably best to avoid political and/or historical discussions on the CAGcast.

Besides that, great show! :D

#72 Indifference

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Posted 08 June 2008 - 04:54 PM

Hey Cheapy was the intro music to this show from the Quest of Glory(aka Hero's Quest) series. I loved those games growing up. I have the anthology, I should install it or I could watch walkthroughs on Youtube and save some time.

#73 eliter1

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Posted 08 June 2008 - 05:05 PM

I think correcting me has become the meta-game within the CAGcast.



Yes it has, someone keep score.

I watched the Clip of A Shot At Love and that guy got fucked up and then just stood there like an idiot, maybe he was stunned but if a guy head buts you and then punches you in the face you do something about it even if you get kicked out of the show. That was a great CAGcast as always.
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#74 H.Cornerstone

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Posted 08 June 2008 - 06:11 PM

All I am going to say is, as I have said in other threads, what makes you think Qore is a priority over those features you want? The team that does this is different than the team that would do firmware updates. This is a Sony PR SCEA/ official playstation magazine idea, and firmware updates are engineers in Japan.

#75 chwisch87

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Posted 09 June 2008 - 12:37 AM

Hey guys, i'm having trouble with the zune support. Its not showing up in my zune marketplace ... could you guys check it out??

#76 thakingrocka

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Posted 09 June 2008 - 01:59 AM

alright cheapy and wombat, here's why i never wrote a review for itunes:

they want my credit card info before i can review anything.

i never set up an itunes account because i never had any intention of purchasing anything from the itunes store, but now they won't let me review podcasts because i have no credit card on file. can't speak for everyone, that's just me.

oh, and how could you forget the man who showed you the ropes in what now appears to be the most dangerous of districts in the city of tokyo? you broke my heart.


#77 StarKnightX

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Posted 09 June 2008 - 03:35 AM

Regarding the discussion about the EGM Metal Gear Solid 4 non-review , or review without a score , I'm gonna throw myself under the bus by saying that I don't really care all that much for the actual "review" of most game reviews and care more about the score and a generalized bulletpoint overview.

The problem I have with a lot of game reviews is that , as others have pointed out over time , the games that most of us know are going to be good end up getting reviews that read like long wankoff sesions about the greatness of said game (GTA4 IGN review , Assasins Creed GS review) whereas games that might be lesser known or not as good tend to get very brief reviews. I say do away with the whole review and just give me a score showing your overall satisfaction/impression of the game , and some general bulletpoints about the good things and bad things about the game.

Did the game have good controls? How where the graphics? Did the camera suck? Voice acting? About the only things I feel might need to be gone into more detail than a simple good / bad note is how good is a game compared to other games in the same series (if its a sequel) , which platform does the game perform best on (for mutiplatform games) or to borrow one from wombat , is the game better or worse than other games in the same genre.

Whew. I think I'm done now. Everyone can proceed to flame the hell out of me now for being a simpleton who doesn't like to actually READ and decide for myself whether a game is good or not.:dunce::twoguns::fridge:

#78 JadedJedi

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Posted 09 June 2008 - 03:42 AM

Attention Texas voters. Stop electing total fucking retards to the office of Governor.
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#79 Agent_BBJ

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Posted 09 June 2008 - 06:23 AM

Cheapy, I love the show but where in the constitution is mentioned the separation of church and state. It is not in the first amendment w/ freedom of religion. Freedom of religion is so the government cannot have one religion that everyone must obey. Separation of church and state was coined by Thomas Jefferson in a letter, he may have believed this but it not in the constitution. I believe you may have misspoke. Otherwise. great show.

#80 SkippyDoorknob

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Posted 09 June 2008 - 06:38 PM

Cheapy... I agree 100% that Nintendo needs WiiWare downloads. Why? Because I bought Dr. Mario and it doesn't work! At all! I'm sure a demo would be the same code as the full game and I could have saved myself $10.

(I did call Nintendo support on it and the best they could do was knock $30 off the price of a system repair, making Dr. Mario a grand total of $70. Of course I declined as everything else is working fine. Oh... and no refunds on the Wii points either. Blah!)




Dr. Mario DOES have a demo. However you can't just go to the store and download it. You have to have it sent to you by someone who already has the full game. It's a lame system, but it's a small step in the right direction.

#81 orko60

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Posted 09 June 2008 - 11:16 PM

Cheapy, I love the show but where in the constitution is mentioned the separation of church and state. It is not in the first amendment w/ freedom of religion. Freedom of religion is so the government cannot have one religion that everyone must obey. Separation of church and state was coined by Thomas Jefferson in a letter, he may have believed this but it not in the constitution. I believe you may have misspoke. Otherwise. great show.


The words "separation of church and state" may not be used in the first amendment, but the idea of it is certainly there. Specifically by "separating" the government from religion, insofar as they cannot create, bar, or otherwise officially support religious activities. While it may not be there in name, it is basically all there in the first amendment.
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#82 tyrone hawk

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 02:54 PM

Thanks again, guys, for a great show as always.

I just want it to comment on the Official Xbox Magazines CD. Althought you're right on the spot that most of the demos do appear on the marketplace after a while, some of them will not (like the japanese game they featured 6 issues ago). Also, keep in mind that due to the region lock most of us international players will not get a demo from the marketplace at all (like the Bourne Conspiracy, which I was lucky to get this month on the July issue, and it was region locked for my country).

Also, add the fact that we the owners of the 20GB hard drives really need some demos stored in the CD so we can save the space we need so much for the big demos that will appear every once in a while, like Battlefield Bad Company.

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#83 meager

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 06:19 PM

Dr. Mario DOES have a demo. However you can't just go to the store and download it. You have to have it sent to you by someone who already has the full game. It's a lame system, but it's a small step in the right direction.


Looks like we need Mrs. Shipwreck to start sending all of us some Dr Mario demos!

#84 ratzombie

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 11:27 PM

Great show this week guys.

And thanks for the movie suggestions, Cheapy. I watched "Who Killed The Electric Car" and enjoyed it quite a bit. Also, I have "Gone Baby Gone" downloaded... uh I mean queued up at Netflix and I'll watch that next. :lol:

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 01:09 AM

CAG on news! CAG on news! CAG on news!

#86 Agent_BBJ

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Posted 12 June 2008 - 03:32 AM

I agree with you but the forefathers never intended for it (maybe beside Jefferson) be the way we think about it today. I was just trying to make a point. I know it has changed over the years. I do not think that a candidate for the president of the US telling everyone what religion he/she is would stop them from being a good president (this goes for every religion). It is just good politics. 80% or more of people in America are of the Christan faith (or at least claim to be). The presidential candidates know by saying they are Christian just brings them votes. Look at the majority of people voting they are white 30-60 year olds. It is a big deal to them weather or not the candidate is of the faith.

The words "separation of church and state" may not be used in the first amendment, but the idea of it is certainly there. Specifically by "separating" the government from religion, insofar as they cannot create, bar, or otherwise officially support religious activities. While it may not be there in name, it is basically all there in the first amendment.



#87 Daemon0101

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Posted 12 June 2008 - 04:17 PM

I agree with you but the forefathers never intended for it (maybe beside Jefferson) be the way we think about it today. I was just trying to make a point. I know it has changed over the years. I do not think that a candidate for the president of the US telling everyone what religion he/she is would stop them from being a good president (this goes for every religion). It is just good politics. 80% or more of people in America are of the Christan faith (or at least claim to be). The presidential candidates know by saying they are Christian just brings them votes. Look at the majority of people voting they are white 30-60 year olds. It is a big deal to them weather or not the candidate is of the faith.


Sure it's good politics, but what does it say about a country when it uses religious ideology as a weapon in presidential races?

#88 Agent_BBJ

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Posted 12 June 2008 - 09:42 PM

were not the only country that uses reilgion as a weapon. So your telling me in a country full of Muslims they are going to vote in a Christian?

#89 Daemon0101

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Posted 13 June 2008 - 05:47 AM

were not the only country that uses reilgion as a weapon. So your telling me in a country full of Muslims they are going to vote in a Christian?


Of course we're not the only country who uses religion for political means. I think we can all agree on the point. However, this goes back to my original question...

What does it say about a society, any society, when it supports the practice of using religion as a political weapon?

#90 smurfbob

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Posted 23 June 2008 - 04:31 AM

i dont think there are many muslim nations that can vote...
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