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Official Trophy Thread - 4/21: Enhanced Trophy Lists Coming in Firmware 3.30


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#31 daphatty

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Posted 03 July 2008 - 10:17 PM

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#32 FriskyTanuki

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Posted 03 July 2008 - 10:29 PM

Thanks.

#33 JMEPO

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Posted 04 July 2008 - 03:53 AM

So far I have 5 trophys in SSHD.

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Posted 04 July 2008 - 02:59 PM

I'm only seeing "gold" achievements with Super Stardust. Isn't there a level above gold(platinum?)?

#35 FriskyTanuki

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Posted 04 July 2008 - 03:01 PM

Not for PSN games. Platinum trophies are for collecting all of the trophies, which is reserved for retail games.

#36 jdioutkast

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Posted 04 July 2008 - 11:18 PM

you can add COD4 and Grid to the confirmed not getting trophies list,

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I heard MGS4 fixed bricked PS3s


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Posted 04 July 2008 - 11:25 PM

Already have COD4, but thanks for the Grid link.

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Posted 05 July 2008 - 03:23 AM

meant to post this question in the super stardust thread, sorry.

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#39 ryu489

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Posted 05 July 2008 - 03:31 AM

I'm only seeing "gold" achievements with Super Stardust. Isn't there a level above gold(platinum?)?


Plats are only in full retail games I believe.
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#40 StrandedBrit

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Posted 05 July 2008 - 07:39 PM

PJM is a probably.
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#41 cartman58

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Posted 05 July 2008 - 07:43 PM

PJM is a probably.


They better be retroactive. I've rainbow'd the first and two levels away from the rainbowing the expansion. That would be super weak if I had to do it again.

#42 Mana Knight

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Posted 05 July 2008 - 07:44 PM

Why has COD4 never been patched with Rumble?

IW doesn't really care, because they don't make money for adding it (they are good at making games, but terrible when it comes to support many times). They said they designed the game where patching it wasn't technically possible unless they redo the whole game.

I think it's a matter of them and Activision don't care because it doesn't bring money, and Activision/IW want to stick to their new game right now and forget CoD4 (they aren't like Criterion, who is awesome with support).

They better be retroactive. I've rainbow'd the first and two levels away from the rainbowing the expansion. That would be super weak if I had to do it again.

I don't think it would be. You can download PJM game saves right now I believe and use them:
http://www.gamefaqs....ave/944234.html
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#43 FriskyTanuki

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Posted 05 July 2008 - 07:46 PM

That makes sense that Acitivision only cares about the money and not the fans after the Rock Band compatability debacle.

Edit: Thanks for the PJM link.

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 01:46 AM

Dude looks like no one wants to go back to implement trophies.

Capcom says no to DMC4 and Puzzle Figher. Link.
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#45 jdioutkast

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 03:23 AM

disappointing I might have bought it if it had trophy support

I heard MGS4 fixed bricked PS3s


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Posted 06 July 2008 - 04:48 AM

I'm getting worried over lack of trophy support for games. Sony needs to get on somebody's ass. I don't know how it exactly works but I mean c'mon.



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Posted 06 July 2008 - 04:57 AM

I'm getting worried over lack of trophy support for games. Sony needs to get on somebody's ass. I don't know how it exactly works but I mean c'mon.


I'm pretty sure all the new stuff will have support, it's just the devs for the old stuff don't seem to give a rip. It's a shame but understandable.
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Posted 06 July 2008 - 05:08 AM

Dude looks like no one wants to go back to implement trophies.

Capcom says no to DMC4 and Puzzle Figher. Link.

*Wonders how long TMK is going to blame third party companies and their fancy profit margins before he admits that Sony half-assed the trophy system.*

Also, is there something special you have to do to unlock trophies in SSHD? I beat the first planet the other night in arcade mode and I did not get anything.

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 07:16 AM

I'm pretty sure all the new stuff will have support, it's just the devs for the old stuff don't seem to give a rip. It's a shame but understandable.


Yeah, but I can see how adding trophy support can give new life, not to mention sales, to your game. look at sshd, can anyone say that they are interested in the game now, even if it didn't have trophies.

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 12:20 PM

*Wonders how long TMK is going to blame third party companies and their fancy profit margins before he admits that Sony half-assed the trophy system.*

How do you propose Sony force 3rd parties to go back and patch old games?

#51 StrandedBrit

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 12:31 PM

Yeah, but I can see how adding trophy support can give new life, not to mention sales, to your game. look at sshd, can anyone say that they are interested in the game now, even if it didn't have trophies.


New life and sales, maybe .... but they have a small window of opportunity. If they can get the trophies in, in the next few months then it will be worth it. After that though most games will start incorporating them and it won't be as 'new'.

Everything so far makes sense. The games that have had updates during their life spans will be getting trophies.

If Sony doesn't want to help with the old stuff that is one thing, but if stuff like Ghostbusters and Fallout 3 lack trophies then they will officially suck in my book.
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#52 Mana Knight

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 01:18 PM

How do you propose Sony force 3rd parties to go back and patch old games?

The problem is, Sony cannot technically force third parties developers to patch old games with trophies, because they are already out (and approved by Sony). And like I said, many developers (except a few these days) aren't too kind about continuing to support games unless they are making money or they basically aren't doing anything (most developers have moved onto new projects). Sony isn't going to tell developers you cannot support PS3 if you don't do it, because they need the third party support. I also feel what may hurt some games getting patched (especially from third parties) is that in order to release a patch, they MUST get it approved and certified to release in 2-3 regions separately (that's just how PSN works, and Sony has NO plans of every going global for reasons (I don't have the link on me for the reason)). And for some developers, going through the ENTIRE game takes takes. Testing the ENTIRE game again takes time. Getting 2-3 approvals takes time. If it was ready for retail (trophies), then it's not much of a problem.

As for DMC4, I'm not sure if I'm right here, DMC4 MIGHT not have been setup to work with patches. Some may think I'm lying, but I remember several older PS3 games and some more recent single player games cannot easily be patched (due to a developer not leaving in hooks or whatever to allow for patching). Part of the reason I know this is because the entire reason VF5 did not get online patched (or even some later Arcade stuff patched) was because the game wasn't setup for them (the game wasn't even setup to look for an online connection). DMC4 might have the setup, but I know for sure some PS3 games didn't. PSN games, even if they were not setup for patches, can be because they'll have you re-download the entire PSN game again (which is updated, like Puzzle Fighter II Turbo HD, Toy Home, etc.) to implement features.

And what Eric Lempel said was:

We are working with developers to ensure that Trophies are supported across the board in the future.

http://blog.us.plays...mware-v240-faq/

The REASON trophies are NOT mandatory right now is:
-Developers have ONLY had them in development kits since ONE month ago. When did the announcement about trophies being in development kits come?? Back in late May/Early June. There is NO way developers can get the implemented (into games that had nothing previously set) and get it fully tested in one month.
-Only SOME developers know how to utilize them (even if you give developers a set of instructions, that still doesn't technically show them how to use them, and there are developers who only speak particular languages).
-Sony (like Eric Lempel has said) is STILL in the process of going door to door to EVERYONE developer teaching them how to utilize trophies in-games. Some developers they've already taught, some still yet have to be taught. Sony has to teach developers because there might be some "imbalance" because a developer thought he could put all gold trophies (and maybe didn't include a platinum trophy in retail).

Will trophies be standard?? Most likely yes, but not until later in the year (helping hundreds of developers isn't exactly a day and night thing). Sony recently made rumble standard (once all developers got it in their development kits) which is why many newer games are starting to support it?

When will be see more games support trophies??? Most likely September, because games which are coming out in July/August (or most) have already finished production (or nearing) and are entering the testing phase. Unless a developer added their OWN achievement system in a way, a developer would have to go through the entire game again to make trophies work.

The problem is that PS3 fans demanded there be some achievement system, so they got it. Just by looking at Game Trailers, PS3 Forums, etc., I got sick of seeing a thread everyday about it for a while. I don't really care personally (I was happy being able to download game saves).

*Wonders how long TMK is going to blame third party companies and their fancy profit margins before he admits that Sony half-assed the trophy system.*

Also, is there something special you have to do to unlock trophies in SSHD? I beat the first planet the other night in arcade mode and I did not get anything.

I rather level up then gain meaningless points. And not it's actually a pretty good idea, just came a bit late.

Did you update to 4.00? The 4.00 update for SSD HD was removed along with 2.4 update. Anyway, you haven't even got a trophy to see how cool it is.

If Sony doesn't want to help with the old stuff that is one thing, but if stuff like Ghostbusters and Fallout 3 lack trophies then they will officially suck in my book.

I think there's a chance they'll get trophies due to being October releases (and their games aren't complete).

But seriously to everyone, would have rather have trophies implemented, even if a little late, or would you rather Sony say screw you, we are never implementing them?

This is somewhat like third party demos on the PS Store. There were no third party demos until late Feb./Early March of 2007. There wasn't a decent number of third party demos until August. The reason was Sony was working with developers to bring demos to the PS Store. Same thing about trophies, they are working with developers on implementing them. They'll come to more games, and will pretty much be standard by December/2009 (since all games coming out by then still have a ways to go in development, so it's not like it would be a pain to implement them).

PJM will most likely have support, like the developers said, but will not come until they finish Eden.

EDIT: When reading the PS3 Fanboy article, it says:

There is a tiny bit of good news though, Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix may have trophies implemented, but it will depend on "what schedules look like and what Sony's requirements are." The only real good news is future games from Capcom will all have trophies, as it has "been worked into CEI's developer contracts as a required deliverable." Have other publishers signed such a contract?

http://www.ps3fanboy...evil-may-cry-4/

Adding trophies to games almost about to be released is similar to if you were almost finished with cooking dinner, and a friend asks you if you want to go out to eat for dinner. Although going out to eat for dinner will be nice, you really can't do it since you already started cooking and it's almost done. If you knew about going out to eat before you started cooking, most likely you would go out to eat. If trophies were in the development kits around the time development started, it's pretty much a guarantee they'd have trophies. Also, I do see many multi-platform games getting trophies because most devs WANT to make their game as similar to the 360 version as possible, since in no way do multi-platform games want sales to be heavily skewed in one way (they want all versions to do well). Devs have to implement achievements in 360 games, so most likely they'll implement them in the PS3 version in a similar way.

Edited by The Mana Knight, 06 July 2008 - 02:27 PM.

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#53 ryu489

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 09:36 PM

I know everyone wanted Sony to get this out, but I think they just expected a little more support for trophies on day one than just one game. Same with in game music, except nothing supports it yet. I can't wait for future support, but man...there's just not much to do right now.

Also sucks for me since I procrastinated and got SSHD after Sony pulled the patch, so I can't even get those yet :(
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Posted 07 July 2008 - 05:49 AM

I think Capcom's reasoning behind not giving DMC4 trophy support is extremely weak. Saying like 'we have our own trophy like system in there, it's good enough' is sorta bs.

EDIT: But from my understanding in that story, they confirm SSIV will have trophies.

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Posted 07 July 2008 - 05:57 AM

Adding trophies to games almost about to be released is similar to if you were almost finished with cooking dinner, and a friend asks you if you want to go out to eat for dinner. Although going out to eat for dinner will be nice, you really can't do it since you already started cooking and it's almost done. If you knew about going out to eat before you started cooking, most likely you would go out to eat.


Hideo, is that you?? :D

I think Capcom's reasoning behind not giving DMC4 trophy support is extremely weak. Saying like 'we have our own trophy like system in there, it's good enough' is sorta bs.


Extremely weak, indeed. It's one thing to go in and retrofit a game to recognize certain trophy conditions, but if your game already does that, I don't understand how hard it is to just layer something else on top of it.

Of course, developer time is developer time.

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Posted 07 July 2008 - 10:45 AM

Here's something I don't think's been asked. What about games that will become Platinum Hits? Will those games have trophy support? I'm pretty confident Sony will mandate trophies after a while, so it begs the question will past releases (Such as Resistance, etc.) that become Platinum Hits have Trophy Support?
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Posted 07 July 2008 - 04:46 PM

Any MGS4 love? Is that going to get patched? I mean, it's only the biggest PS3 game. It will be a joke if games coming out in August or September and on and on don't have trophy support. I don't think "leaving it up to developers" is a wise thing to do.



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Posted 07 July 2008 - 06:39 PM

Here's something I don't think's been asked. What about games that will become Platinum Hits? Will those games have trophy support? I'm pretty confident Sony will mandate trophies after a while, so it begs the question will past releases (Such as Resistance, etc.) that become Platinum Hits have Trophy Support?


You know that would actually get me to buy a platinum hits if they do that, at least for games i really liked.

I doubt it will happen that way but could be plausible.


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Posted 08 July 2008 - 12:30 AM

Is really stupid for studios not to support trophies, I bet SSHD sold a lot after been announced as the only game with trophy support for now. I bought the 2 add ons just for the other trophies

#60 ryu489

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Posted 08 July 2008 - 01:41 AM

Here's something I don't think's been asked. What about games that will become Platinum Hits? Will those games have trophy support? I'm pretty confident Sony will mandate trophies after a while, so it begs the question will past releases (Such as Resistance, etc.) that become Platinum Hits have Trophy Support?


Really doubtful. Games generally dont change going from the original to platinum line. There are sometimes exceptions, like Lost Planet Colonies or DMC 3 on the PS2. Maybe if the dev wanted to pick up a few extra sales they could toss them in, but I don't see many doing it.
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