CAGcast #132: Mediocrely Average
Posted 11 September 2008 - 12:31 PM
You two are Pinkos to the core! ;>
Great show guys. Cheapy, any whale sightings while on the cruise? Other than the fatties you mentioned on the ships deck.
Posted 11 September 2008 - 12:47 PM
---copied from http://www.purplemat...eanmode.htm----
The "mean" is the "average" you're used to, where you add up all the numbers and then divide by the number of numbers. The "median" is the "middle" value in the list of numbers. To find the median, your numbers have to be listed in numerical order, so you may have to rewrite your list first. The "mode" is the value that occurs most often. If no number is repeated, then there is no mode for the list.
So with scores in videogames, the most common score(some would call "average" is the "mode or modal" score. Adding up all the scores and diving by the number of games, would be the "mean" and the absolute middle score in a list would be the "median". So Wombat, there are many different ways of finding the "average" game.
Either way, I think games should be listed using the standard grading system of A, B, C, D, and F.
The old bridge used to be called the new bridge.
Posted 11 September 2008 - 01:02 PM
Stores like mine and Gamestop NEED to sell new games to sell used games. That is why they push pre-orders. The reason is that it is more likely that you may trade that title into the store thus allowing them to eventually sell it used. There would be no other retail location that will strive to sell a pre-order like these stores do. While you can pre-order games at some big box stores, typically they are just cards with box art.
The reasoning is that for publishers, if someone is buying a used game they are not buying a new game. Truth is that if you are buying a new game, you are not buying it from the publisher anyway, the store is. In addition, most of the time after a few months you just don't buy any new games because they are out of cycle. It is why if you go to a big box store, while they may have a ton of titles, it is quantity they have, not the number of different titles. They may have 20 copies of Madden but if you count the number of different titles for each system. You may get 15 for each console at Best Buy... at a used game store you have over 50 because of those older games.
The restricting of selling of new product only hurts the publishers and consumers. It is like Sony then telling you that you can't sell your Blu-Ray on ebay... because someone may want to buy it new. It is tough luck. Depending where you go, you can really get better deals with a used title and not only that sometimes a game gets fandom with used game sales. These are titles that don't sell huge new and may not take off till down the road. Its hard to find a new copy of Beyond Good and Evil :P
I understand Wombat's logic with thinking that they can just sell the titles at non used places, but then again look and see how pre-orders help the industry and if you take that market away, they will sell far less. If they also hated Gamestop so bad, then they wouldn't be partners with select games and offering bonuses.
But for the game review stuff... I don't know if it is possible but what if you had something where you can see where all game scores rate. So you can have your 5 star system but what does someone think is a 5 star game compared to a 4 star game? That context can really help people know the difference. Like what games do you consider for each section to be a awful, bad, fair, good, great game? Another idea would just call the middle score "Wombat" and have his picture there. Everyone would know what that means and would be funny to see a "Wombat" score on metacritic.
Posted 11 September 2008 - 06:18 PM
Posted 12 September 2008 - 07:11 AM
Posted 12 September 2008 - 04:12 PM
I will disagree with Cheapy on one thing: I totally want that Pro Evolution Soccer 360 controller. I play a lot of games using the D-Pad. I did purchase the Hori Pad EX Turbo, and while the D-pad is excellent, everything else about it is mediocre (and yes, I had to correct myself from using "average" ).
Posted 12 September 2008 - 07:17 PM
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Posted 14 September 2008 - 06:34 AM
I dig the batman impersonation quite a bit. There must be some way to work it into the show on a regular basis.
edit: Obviously, I referring to the Cheapy impersonation...
Posted 14 September 2008 - 07:54 PM
On the topic Wombat should be reminded that Average isn't a mathematically discrete equation. The equation he describes is best called a 'mean'. I'm sure we all remember learning about Mean, Median, Mode and Range in school. Average is a less specific synonym. That's why there's a difference between an 'arithmetic average' and the normal usage of the word 'average'. That said, while I completely disagree with his stance on the word average, I fully support his Advocacy for Mediocrity. I'm all for the reduction of any trace of ambiguity.
Wombat is right. Madden would sell just as many copies if EA decided to cut out GameStop distribution. Sure Gamestop would still get their used copies but most people would be able to buy the game just as easily at Target, BestBuy, Circuit City and all the other stores. CheapyD you say that it's so far off that a publisher alienating GameStop is such a far fetched concept and yet that's almost exactly what the guy from EA said. He used the same car model that GameStop always tried to use.
Gamestop says: Imagine how the new car market would fair if Toyota didn't let you sell your old car
EA says: Imagine how Toyota would feel is their car dealer partners tried to push you towards a used car that's 'guaranteed to work'. You can bet that you wouldn't be a partner with Toyota anymore.
Edited by Wolfkin, 14 September 2008 - 08:29 PM.
Not everyone needs to look like a 16 year old girl cosplaying a 16 year old boy, every-Japanese-artist-ever.
Bully - Outland
Posted 15 September 2008 - 04:48 AM
I normally wouldn't comment on something as minor as this, but this is probably one of the very few times I disagreed with Wombat on something, you just don't seem like the sort of person who would take something so petty so seriously. Regardless, Wombat still rules.