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#61 Strell

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Posted 19 September 2008 - 08:31 PM

The funny thing is that someone at PC World had to waste their time and photoshop that 360 Slim.


I'm almost 100% sure I saw that exact photo a few months ago, sometimes around E3. There was a rumor that MS would announce a slim 360, or at least hint at one.

So that photoshoppin' has been done for a while.

Edit: Yep.

Blue: Even our actual news outlets don't get the story right anymore, and post all sorts of flagrant exaggerations and half truths. If I can't expect it there, what hope could there be for smelly nerds in basements?


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#62 Strell

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Posted 19 September 2008 - 08:33 PM

This might actually be less useful and newsworthy than an internet petition.


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#63 whoknows

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Posted 19 September 2008 - 08:34 PM

This might actually be less useful and newsworthy than an internet petition.


That's because internet petitions work.

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Posted 19 September 2008 - 08:35 PM

I like it when people act like outraged customers... when there's a store nowhere to be seen.

#65 BlueLobstah

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Posted 19 September 2008 - 08:37 PM

Blue: Even our actual news outlets don't get the story right anymore, and post all sorts of flagrant exaggerations and half truths. If I can't expect it there, what hope could there be for smelly nerds in basements?



And that's exactly my point, hince "outlets" and not "blogs". Of course, I imagine a lot of the media likely has other interests in hand which influence a story, but that's neither here nor there.

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#66 62t

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Posted 19 September 2008 - 08:38 PM

wait you will read kotaku even if tyhey apologise?

#67 Mr Unoriginal

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Posted 19 September 2008 - 08:40 PM

Seriously?

Its too bad you're still a prick with a stupid gimmick.


#68 LonelyController

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Posted 19 September 2008 - 08:47 PM

So...in the unlikely event that Crescentoast issued an apology, you wouldn't see it?

Look, we punked him, and he's all butthurt now. We don't need to pout because he's blustering to make himself look good. We already "won".

#69 Gothic Walrus

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Posted 19 September 2008 - 08:51 PM

Wow. I wasn't even aware of this contest (I just read the forums), but this is hilarious.


I don't think it ever was an official contest.

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#70 Ryuukishi

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Posted 19 September 2008 - 08:53 PM

I don't think it ever was an official contest.

Well I hope it is now. :) Dude deserves some kind of prize for causing such a stir with a grainy picture of a Word document printout.

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#71 ArthurDigbySellers

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Posted 19 September 2008 - 09:56 PM

Those mofos disabled comments for my Kotaku account after I posted several in the Xbox Pure thread. I barely post there anyway, but I find it funny that they are now censoring comments about this as well.

Christ, Crecente should have just deleted the whole post instead of starting this shitstorm.

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#72 eswat

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Posted 19 September 2008 - 10:00 PM

Kotaku mods disable comment abilities if you so much as look at a post in a funny way.

#73 bingbangboom

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Posted 19 September 2008 - 10:15 PM

This is soooooo funny and Kotaku and the other blog sites deserve it. I have been pulling away from various blog sites once you realize that they don't really have any additional content to them. They typically don't create anything, they just find something else and link it. We pretty much have Digg for that. These people are really no body with no responsibilities. We can just post anything but for some reason they have built up credit because they have a funny name. Same thing with the other sites and they are all on their high horse and consider themselves "gaming press". In reality they are not and I wouldn't be surprised if we are starting to see the beginning of the bubble bursting on these type of sites.

Even if something is not posted as a rumor, it can still be wrong because they don't really look into it. Even asking for a comment or talking to someone at Microsoft. I am sure that if they do have this creditable well credibility, then they have contacts. They should, and ask them. I don't understand why there is a big deal with being first on something anyway. You can go to these three big sites: Kotaku, Joystiq and Destructiod and see the same stories repeated over and over again.

At least sites like IGN, 1UP and others have some sort of respectability when it comes to their news.

#74 DesertEagleXIX

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Posted 19 September 2008 - 10:24 PM

I left a few remarks via e-mail, (since I don't have a Kotaku Acct.) and these were quickly banned.

I think Cresente feels embarrassed, that why he's lashing out. He needs to walk away from the keyboard.

All in all, everyone got their page views. Cheapy and Cresente win.
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#75 Panda Wizardry

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Posted 19 September 2008 - 10:36 PM

Man, this is hilarious. Kotaku and all of the similar blogs got owned on this one. CAG is nothing more than a game deals site with a fancy forum attached, so there is no need for CAG to fact check anything. The only ones who need to do fact checking are sites like Kotaku, since they're the ones who'll look like the fools.

Besides, what's the big deal? They posted it as a rumor, so no one should be pissed when a rumor doesn't come true.

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#76 BlueSwim

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Posted 19 September 2008 - 10:38 PM

I read the comments on Kotaku for about a half hour and I think anyone who would blame CAG's motivation for the contest has to be a 1 dimensional thinker. Someone incapable of understanding the irony of the situation. Kotaku's God of Good Hair could have written up the story and saved it to a "drafts" folder in case it panned out. He didn't, and therefore, proved the point the contest was trying to make absolutely perfectly. It's hard to believe, but the perfect quote for what happened comes from Star Wars of all places.


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#77 DarthPuma

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Posted 19 September 2008 - 10:42 PM

I love how they are all butt hurt about this when Kotaku posted a fake VC game story one time and it got picked up by Gametrailers, who they off course mocked. IIRC they said it was a joke directly in the story, but it's still kind of a pot calling the kettle black situation.

#78 Phished0ne

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Posted 19 September 2008 - 11:47 PM

I think the best part is that BC is trying to say "oh no it doesn't ruin OUR credibility, it ruins THEIRS"

all in all..i think this sums it up

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#79 mykevermin

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Posted 19 September 2008 - 11:56 PM

Huh. Would ya look at that?
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#80 Clarke

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 12:10 AM

I love how they are all butt hurt about this when Kotaku posted a fake VC game story one time and it got picked up by Gametrailers, who they off course mocked. IIRC they said it was a joke directly in the story, but it's still kind of a pot calling the kettle black situation.

It was a week when there were no VC releases and Mike made a wishlist. Gametrailers didn't report it. You must be thinking G4.

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#81 DQT

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 12:27 AM

Supergrass at 09:33 AM

* Of course, what happens when someone wants to play a little prank on CAG and sends in documentation of the next price drop for the 360 or PS3? Clearly, it's easy to pull a fast one over on a Web site.


Lol. Somebody doesn't know how cag works. Within the hour it'd be marked with YMMV if not outright dispelled as not happening.

#82 DQT

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 12:35 AM

We're a reliable source for shopping news because we actually go out of way to make sure the news actually happens.

They should have let this blow over and learned their lesson. Stop posting rumors just for page views. The story could have been worse. EGM confirmed FFVII for the PS3 a while back and even ran a 1up story telling people to buy that issue.

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 01:28 AM

CheapyD,

A few weeks ago on a CAGCast (I want to say it was circa E3), you mentioned something about a person you met (or talked to, at least) that gave you a lot of valuable info and dirt about the gaming industry and its 'media'. You asked the person whose name I'm forgetting if an unnamed person in the gaming media was a "dick"*, and he apparently verified this. Was this "dick" Brian Crecente? Because no lie, that's who I thought of first and foremost, for whatever reason. Maybe it's just his shit-eating grin.

I will understand if you choose to 'ignore' this post.

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 01:33 AM

CheapyD,

A few weeks ago on a CAGCast (I want to say it was circa E3), you mentioned something about a person you met (or talked to, at least) that gave you a lot of valuable info and dirt about the gaming industry and its 'media'. You asked the person whose name I'm forgetting if an unnamed person in the gaming media was a "dick"*, and he apparently verified this. Was this "dick" Brian Crecente? Because no lie, that's who I thought of first and foremost, for whatever reason. Maybe it's just his shit-eating grin.


No, it was not.


I've met Brian many times and even took both Kotaku Brians to Sumo during last year's TGS. Crecente always been very nice to me and has always stopped to shoot the shit with me when I've run into him at various gaming events. I never got the impression that he felt he was "too important" to talk to me or anything like that.

Supergrass at 09:33 AM

* Of course, what happens when someone wants to play a little prank on CAG and sends in documentation of the next price drop for the 360 or PS3? Clearly, it's easy to pull a fast one over on a Web site.

In the 5+ years of running CAG, I've never posted a rumor to the front page that didn't turn out to be true. I'm very careful about that.

#85 Strell

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 01:33 AM

I wonder if the people getting giggles at the expense of Kotaku now are the same ones that got their panties in a roar when Sony went after 'em for posting info they were specifically asked not to.


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#86 kuddles

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 01:34 AM

I just joined the forum to say I'm astounded at the sour grapes of the bloggers claiming CAG should be ashamed of themselves over "credibility". If they were so worried about credibility, they wouldn't have all posted the news of "Google buying Valve?" from The Inquirer, a site well known for for being unreliable many, many times in the past, and without doing the thing which is the bare minimum of journalistic integrity - taking two minutes to call Valve and ask for a statement before running it.

For sites like Kotaku and Destructoid, that thrive on creating fake drama, posting notiouriously unreliable rumors without doing proper follow-up and taking quotes out of context, to claim a simple gag was highly unprofessional is laughable to a hundred degrees.

#87 jollydwarf

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 01:43 AM

Well, back to the speculation drawing board. But thanks for the ultra-turbo-fast response!

Now that I think about it, I remember the sumo anecdote, what with the cramped confines and the women sitting behind your group (or was it the other way around?), and all that stuff.

They might be lashing out now, but I think that this one will have more than a momentary effect on how indiscriminate gaming blogs feel they can be. That's the upside. The downside is that this is going to spark a shitload of kids with too much time and no creativity trying to "punk" anyone and everyone.
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#88 weevles

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 01:46 AM

Well, if anything, this will make for an interesting CAGcast come Monday. :p

Edit: ha, I totally forgot Cheapy took the Brians out to Sumo! I'm sure this will all blow over by Monday, but sheesh, how quickly these guys'll throw industry courtesy out the door just to cover their ass.

#89 ninja dog

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 02:07 AM

Well I'd hope it wouldn't turn into a gaming site turf war. as funny as kotaku's sour grapes were, if it went on any longer than, say, a few hours ago, it would be kinda sad.

#90 Z_meista

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 02:40 AM

lol... kotaku got pwned! just goes to show that they'll put anything on their site... hahaha!