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CAGcast #136: Pre-TGS BS, DSi, LBP, and Other Abbreviations


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#31 rogueweapon

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 12:27 PM

I don't really care about written previews. I can tell right away if I'm going to like a game as long as I see a gameplay video. I'm probably 98% right based on my first impressions. Btw , that gay guy should know that Wombat and Cheepy are the gayest straight dudes on the net. Has anyone else heard about the calamtous webot predicting some unsettling shit for oct 7 or 8th?
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#32 Wombat

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 12:29 PM

How well did you do in destroying me, Wombat? ;)


I can take the loss, but knowing I left more point on my bench then I put on the field is driving me crazy

#33 Mr. Wiggly

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 01:02 PM

Did you have fun with Major Nelson? Have you talked to Crecente yet? I'm loving the CAG soap opera. The game stuff is just a setting!

#34 thorbahn3

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 02:09 PM

Good show. The whole "buy it new and get this chunk of game" will also piss off a lot of pirates as well since they can't hack into the xbox store and take the content. If I was the publisher, I'd release whatever it is a free download three or four months after release. Also the movies and games comparison doesn't hold up too well. You need to remember that a movie goes from theater to DVD to HBO to cable/network TV. Each time, they get a cut. Games however go release...clearance... to long ass period of time... nostalgic game for $10.00 . Not as much money to be made. Plus movies are excepted by everyone. video games aren't. Although the Wii has made advances in widening the gap, it doesn't have the same reach. Just my opinion.

Also, if you want more viewers, do some interviews. I'm sure if you had Rocksolidaudio on the show he'd mention it on his podcast and some people would wonder over to the site and check it out. I didn't listen to the Bionic Commando podcast until Cheapy went on and talked about straight pubic hairs for example. I haven't listened to it since but I'm sure somebody still is because of Cheapy.
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#35 Chrisness

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 02:34 PM

Cheapy I think it was a bad idea to say you would rather hire Shipwreck because I bet Wombat will stop posting on his CAG Blog as retaliation to that statement. Also it was kind of mean.

Though at the same time, Wombat I think it is ridiculous to say browsing and posting on the forum is work.
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#36 mightyhorse

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 03:38 PM

Hey cheapy & wombat. another great show. I agree about the Force Unleashed being broken if set as default. There are settings you can change to help make the game less frustrating. Press start & go to options screen. Use the bumper to switch to gameplay. Scroll down and look for force throw. change the setting from toggle to hold. there is another toggle/ hold choice there to change but I cannot recall it at this time. This will, with the press and release of the trigger (instead of holding the trigger), lock your enemy/object into force grab. there is also a spot for "action camera". try adjusting these settings and dont forget to save afterward. I hope this helps you, it really helped me play this unnessasarily hard, throw you back to the begining of the level no matter where you saved, game.

#37 cdubya42

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 03:57 PM

It just hit me about how this whole deal w/ buying new sounds an awful lot like what Steam did w/ the PC market when Half-Life 2 was released... makes you wonder who all is behind it and certainly does sound like an industry setting themselves up for lawsuits...

#38 eliter1

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 04:55 PM

I disagree with you Cheapy, if games were to be sold for a cheaper price, the Gamestops of the world would still offer cheaper games. Us gamers would probably buy the new game instead but most of the parents and kids that go into the store would be talked into buying the cheaper game, I've seen many people beeing talked into buying used and the edge card. I think Epic has the right idea when they offer 5 maps if you buy the game new but they should not punish gamers because of gamestop.

Also Cheapy, a suggestion about the DSi's you are thinking about giving away. I think it' almost itme for the Child's Play donations. You should give them away to someone who donates money that would deffinatley serve as encouragment for people to donate and help us break last year's record.
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#39 KingBroly

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 05:03 PM

Sorry, these guys got it wrong, it seems:
http://www.nintendow...om-the-sd-slot/

I believe this is just some sloppy blog reporting and that both cameras are actually 0.3 megapixels.

http://www.nintendo....resen/e/02.html

I'm pretty sure they would have mentioned the 3mp camera if they had one.


I don't blame you on the sd card slot stuff because a lot of blogs are reporting it that way. As far as the cameras on the DSi, I don't really care about that either, and I'm sure a lot of people won't care either. But you should wonder how Activision feels since they have to rethink Guitar Hero on DS now.
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#40 hoofrog

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 05:14 PM

I have to say that I wasn't too excited for LBP, but I just got into the beta and I had to force myself to go to bed. I love it.

#41 lilboo

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 05:28 PM

Hey I think Benjamin or whatever the CAGs name was, needs to STFU.
I'm like.. the emperor of the gays on here and I find "That's gay" not offensive at all. I think people really need to get over themselves.

So Benjamin or whatever your name is: STFU.
Plus I haven't heard either one of you say "That's gay" in a loooong time. Either way, it doesn't matter!

Good show, by the way! I'm surprised Cheapy wasn't a bit more interested in the DSi. It's nothing mind blowing, but the "DSWare" has me very interested in how this is going to turn out. The camera part is purely a gimmick; it's the internal web browser (again, nothing fancy but still neat to have) and the download service that seems to make the DSi more appealing.

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#42 I Am ProZac

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 05:41 PM

I don't think i mentions the megapixels on that page, but this leads me to believe that both camera are shitty:

http://www.nintendo.....esen/e/02.html
For cell phones and digital cameras, manufacturers have been increasing the number of pixels in order to appeal to consumers. However, we have taken almost the opposite approach. We cannot boast about the resolution as the camera for DSi has the 300,000 pixels resolution.


I believe Reggie Fils-Aime said during an interview with Dan Hsu on G4 that the outside one was 3 mp, and the inside was .3 mp. I would hope he knows what he's talking about... though I could have misheard.
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#43 dece

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 06:00 PM

Hey I think Benjamin or whatever the CAGs name was, needs to STFU.
I'm like.. the emperor of the gays on here and I find "That's gay" not offensive at all. I think people really need to get over themselves.

So Benjamin or whatever your name is: STFU.
Plus I haven't heard either one of you say "That's gay" in a loooong time. Either way, it doesn't matter!


Agreed!
If anything CAGcast deserves some kind of equality award not such stupid accusations.
Like just a few shows ago I remember you said you both support gay marriage.

I suppose that guy's just a big drama queen :whee:

#44 TheFreshPrince

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 06:03 PM

Cheapy,
Let me preface my comment by saying that I have listened to nearly every episode of the CAGcast, and will continue to do so without hesitation. I love the website, the off-the-wall stories, and the friendly (and sometimes unfriendly) banter between you and Wombat.

Ok, here is my question: Are you guys really gamers?

You made mention that you never really played Super Mario 64. You fell asleep during Metal Gear Solid 4. You were pretty meh about the Little Big Planet beta, while nearly everyone else is loving it, and got bored after a few hours, while nearly everyone else is spending days tweaking levels. You both have difficulties with games that really aren't too difficult. And you consistently forget about or misinterpret recent gaming news (including no mention of Sin and Punishment 2 from this weeks Nintendo Conferences).

I'm not saying you should enjoy certain games, or should play certain games, it just seems like both you and Wombat really aren't that into it. For you, maybe it is more of a casual hobby, but I am just interested in what your take is on this subject.

Thanks, and keep up the awesome website and podcast!

#45 lilboo

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 06:05 PM

Agreed!
If anything CAGcast deserves some kind of equality award not such stupid accusations.
Like just a few shows ago I remember you said you both support gay marriage.


Well I think that's a bit ridiculous to say this is some LGBT friendly podcast simply because they agree on gay marriage: That just makes them civil human beings :lol:

I suppose that guy's just a big drama queen :whee:


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#46 dece

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 06:14 PM

LOL, yeah.
But the subject comes up pretty often on the show and they seem a bit more pro-gay than the average person.
I may be wrong...

#47 XTommyDonX

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 08:02 PM

Great observation of the codes being bundled with new games only. I would think that charging for content that comes on the codes is a better idea. This would make people feel like they are getting a better deal buying new games. It would also allow people who got a deal on the used version to have the oppuritunity of getting that content, rather than never being able to get it.

PS. Sorry I already asked this in the CAGbag but can you guys revive your DLC Tears & Jeers segment? That would be awesome.

#48 MSUHitman

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 08:31 PM

FYI IGN had the first review and gave Fracture a 5.9. The PS3 editor who reviewed both versions also made fun of it on the IGN PS3 podcast by having the IGN Guides editor read exceprts from the review guide Lucasarts sent with the game in a documentary style.

The quote by Greg Miller (PS3 editor) at the end (in a deadpan tone): "This is the Moby Dick of our time."

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#49 Fallout911

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 08:35 PM

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#50 Dr Mario Kart

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 08:48 PM

Your (CheapyD) subdued interest in TGS might be because you are personally interested mostly in Western style games. I think E3 is bigger for you in this regard.

Wombat is right about the used games and movies scenario in all his points, from the aftermarket situation of DVDs to the impossibility of $10 AAA video games. Most DS games cost $30 and I still buy mostly used. If video game makers COULD sell twice as many or more at half the cost, then their market research wouldve already told them that, and someone wouldve tried it.

The way video game sales work for most games, the vast majority of your lifetime game sales happen in the first month, in some cases in the first 2 weeks from the launch of a title. This is why they have to be full priced.

I'm going to be buying pretty much all of the Wii GC remakes, since the motion control/pointing is going to make those games much better. I didnt play any of the Pikmins or Metroid Primes because I was not satisfied with the control scheme.

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#51 LiK

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 08:58 PM

Nice discussion about LBP. I think Wombat is right about LBP not being a casual type of game. Alot of the people I know who are excited about it are hardcore gamers. My sis thought the game is cute but she has no real interest with it even after I showed her some videos of those awesome levels made by other users. LBP is a wild card with its audience, imo.

Once again, great show. Btw, Cheapy, don't embarrass yourself in front of Major Nelson. ;)
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#52 trip1eX

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 09:56 PM

LBP has always been overrated.

#53 dubbfoolio

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 10:39 PM

I hate to say it Cheapy but I found this site through Kotaku and even though I didn't "click through" every time I saw a story sourcing your site, after seeing it come up a couple times I finally decided to check it out and join.

#54 Baron O Hell

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 10:42 PM

I don't know about paying the Wombat to work on the podcast. That type of thing is better done from love. However, if there was something else he could do like edit the show, marketing, or something not directly related to the show that would be cool.

#55 bigl523

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 10:44 PM

Thanks Cheapy, I have now canceled my Amazon Little Big Planet pre-order. The more you talked about it the more I began to question just how long I would be playing this one. I know I won't be creating a bunch of levels and if the gameplay is really that incredibly simple then I can probably wait for a deal for this one.
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#56 misterine

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 11:09 PM

Great show as always..
Haha punch out has shitty graphics.. i wish.. they kepted the old school 8 bit :(

#57 mik

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 02:18 AM

LOLed at the story of the safe sex Flash ad for Wombat's company. Related to that, you should watch this 5-minute clip from Ricky Gervais's standup on the same subject:




On LBP, I think it will certainly resonate with the casual audience--if Sony can get it in their hands. I know you both offered up your anecdotal evidence to the contrary with your wives, so I'll go ahead and offer mine: I cannot get my 9-year-old and 12-year-old daughters off the damn game. The minute I get home from work, they want to fire it up (which means they bust their asses to get homework done--that's never happened before). They get to play dress-up with their Sackboy, discover all kinds of new and bizarre levels that people have created, tinker with and decorate their own creations, and bomb through levels together cooperatively.

As a single player game, I'm pretty confident it's going to be excellent. Even though the mechanics are simple, the ways people are extending those into other elements--like music creation and clever puzzles, like the Heist one you mentioned--have amazing potential to make it more interesting than simply "jumping and grabbing." Remember that the final game will have 20 times the developer-created levels that this beta has, not to mention 100 times the number of users creating content--and rating it so the cream rises to the top. Have faith, brethren.

Oh, and I'd be a total ass if I didn't say--enjoyed the show, as always.

#58 Z_meista

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 02:59 AM

I wasn't impressed when I saw gameplay videos of LBP. The control aren't tight and whoever was playing the Mario 1-1 on the video has trouble controlling sackboy.

#59 Jake Tower

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 03:45 AM

Homosexuals don't own the word "gay." Feel free to use it however you choose.
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#60 lilboo

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 03:46 AM

^ It's called being respectful of others :)

Thanks, though! :roll:

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