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#121 Rei no Otaku

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 12:54 AM

Well genius, this is a thread specifically realted to COMPLAINTS about the Wii, and is posted in general gaming. It's not like I went in the Wii forum and posted such comments. It's a thread about the Wii lacking core games.

You only own the Wii and a DS and absolutely hate the competition. Why don't you just stay the Fuck out of general gaming and stay in the Wii and DS forums and you're nerdy fanboy sensibilities won't be offended by negative comments about your precious Nintendo. Better yet, since you hate online and any thing related to technology, why don't you just stay off the internet period?

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#122 dmaul1114

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 12:55 AM

Edit: And "Reggie" in the title makes this a Wii thread, even if it is in the "General Gaming" forum...


I never said it wasn't a Wii thread. I said it was a Wii thread related to people's thoughts about the core games (or lack of them) on the Wii, and thus posting negative opinions on the Wii library is perfectly on topic. And not a thread crap as DMK was implying. If he doesn't want to read negative opinions on the Wii, then he should stay out of general gaming and especially from a thread like this where it's sole purpose is to discuss the console's game line up.

And if he thinks my posts are annoying or repetitive, he can put me on ignore as I've encouraged him to do multiple times.

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 02:21 AM

You mistake my loyalty to principles as loyalty to a company. I will likely hate Nintendo's home console division like no other next cycle. You can expect I wont be visiting WiiHD threads.

Regarding the ignore function, this is a problem I've brought up in the help subforum before. Its not robust enough. There is a second level of ignore that may not exist anymore that I've seen used before, where the offending poster's post dont show up at all. Therefore they cant be quoted either. Something like that, to where you cant see that the poster has made a post at all, and that posts showing quotes of the source post will not be shown as well.

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 02:33 AM

If my posts so offend you, put me on ignore, and have the will power to not respond to my posts if they happen to get quoted. It's not rocket science.

And again, if you're so opposed to technological advancements, stay under your fucking rock and off the fucking internet.

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 02:43 AM

or we could discuss things without having to "win" and agree to disagree instead.

It's not rocket surgery.

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 02:46 AM

Again, I'm not opposed to technological development. I just want the technology to be used a certain way. I'm pro waggle and I'm super pro for Square-Enix's mind control device and any similar experiments to actually improve the interface. I intend to be for VR someday depending on its implementation.

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 03:02 AM

Yeah there is not enough porn on the Wii.
Plus theres no Captain Rainbow in the US right now.
Fuck you Nintendo. Fuck you.

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 03:06 AM

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Lol. That guy is insatiable. Rosebud motherfuckers. Oh and I'm not excited about any games on the wii. I don't even pay attention to the previews and such. I'm focused on the DS.

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 03:10 PM

I think the point alot of us were making is that Reggie is right. Everyone likes to bitch bitch bitch.

There's three great consoles and two great handhelds on the market right now. With all these choices, there's got to be something you'll enjoy. Instead of bitching about what you don't have (which is what alot of you like to do), rejoice in what you do have. Be thankful that the video game industry is big enough to support five different platforms. Be thankful that we have a way to play hardcore shooters and fun casual games.

My question to the hardcore Wii owners is this: What did you expect? Seriously, every franchise has seen a Wii version. It might not be exactly what you want but Nintendo has released a new Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Smash Bros., Mario Kart, Mario Party, and soon to be Animal Crossing. Every major franchise under Nintendo's umbrella has been covered. Not every one of them can be the best game in the history of the franchise. All of you that think otherwise are hopelessly naive. You'll never get any enjoyment from anything because it always sucks.

#130 FloodsAreUponUS

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 03:15 PM

I think the point alot of us were making is that Reggie is right. Everyone likes to bitch bitch bitch.

There's three great consoles and two great handhelds on the market right now. With all these choices, there's got to be something you'll enjoy. Instead of bitching about what you don't have (which is what alot of you like to do), rejoice in what you do have. Be thankful that the video game industry is big enough to support five different platforms. Be thankful that we have a way to play hardcore shooters and fun casual games.

My question to the hardcore Wii owners is this: What did you expect? Seriously, every franchise has seen a Wii version. It might not be exactly what you want but Nintendo has released a new Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Smash Bros., Mario Kart, Mario Party, and soon to be Animal Crossing. Every major franchise under Nintendo's umbrella has been covered. Not every one of them can be the best game in the history of the franchise. All of you that think otherwise are hopelessly naive. You'll never get any enjoyment from anything because it always sucks.


Once I get Shenmue 3 I will stop bitching.

#131 dmaul1114

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 03:16 PM

I think the point alot of us were making is that Reggie is right. Everyone likes to bitch bitch bitch.

There's three great consoles and two great handhelds on the market right now. With all these choices, there's got to be something you'll enjoy. Instead of bitching about what you don't have (which is what alot of you like to do), rejoice in what you do have. Be thankful that the video game industry is big enough to support five different platforms. Be thankful that we have a way to play hardcore shooters and fun casual games.



My question to the hardcore Wii owners is this: What did you expect? Seriously, every franchise has seen a Wii version. It might not be exactly what you want but Nintendo has released a new Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Smash Bros., Mario Kart, Mario Party, and soon to be Animal Crossing. Every major franchise under Nintendo's umbrella has been covered. Not every one of them can be the best game in the history of the franchise. All of you that think otherwise are hopelessly naive. You'll never get any enjoyment from anything because it always sucks.


For me, I'll admit I bought a Wii at launch for 2 reasons. Brand loyalty and I thought the PS3 and 360 were too expensive at the time. It was a mistake, and I'm glad I have a 360 and not a Wii now.

As for games, I was happy for the first 6 months. Mario, metroid and Zelda (even though it was a GC game) were very good. But after that there was nothing as I don't care for Smash Brothers and have long been sick of Mario Kart, and there was not (and still isn't) a single game on the horizon that interested me.

But I was smart enough to finally ditch the system and pick up a 360 rather than hold on to the Wii and keep bitching about the lack of games I want to play over and over and over again. Though again I'll admit I did that for a couple months longer than I should have this spring.

So I agree very much with the first part of your post. There are 3 consoles, 2 handhelds and PC gaming out there. People should be able to find plenty of games that interest them. They just need to buy the right console(s) and skip/ditch the ones they aren't enjoying.

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#132 Halo05

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 07:23 PM

Once I get Shenmue 3 I will stop bitching.


You have a lifetime of bitching ahead of you.

I'll stop bitching when Sega gets back to making the best games on the planet and reenters the hardware business.

I too have a lifetime of bitching ahead of me.

As many of you know, black ops 2 is plaid with bugs, lag etc which many people have been suffering including me.


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Posted 13 October 2008 - 07:25 PM

Regarding the ignore function, this is a problem I've brought up in the help subforum before. Its not robust enough. There is a second level of ignore that may not exist anymore that I've seen used before, where the offending poster's post dont show up at all. Therefore they cant be quoted either. Something like that, to where you cant see that the poster has made a post at all, and that posts showing quotes of the source post will not be shown as well.


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#134 FloodsAreUponUS

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 07:27 PM

You have a lifetime of bitching ahead of you.

I'll stop bitching when Sega gets back to making the best games on the planet and reenters the hardware business.

I too have a lifetime of bitching ahead of me.


We shall bitch together forever.

#135 Casiotech

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 07:39 PM

basically gamers got spoiled with a new ps2 game coming out every other day.

it's not like it used to be where gamers played super mario world for 3 years before moving on to a new game.

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 07:41 PM

are there any plans for starfox?

#137 crystalklear64

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 08:03 PM

I think the point alot of us were making is that Reggie is right. Everyone likes to bitch bitch bitch.

There's three great consoles and two great handhelds on the market right now.

And if you own a Wii + something else, you're probably fine. But the point is that the Wii doesn't offer enough to satisfy on its own, not that gamers can't be satisfied with everything. I only owned a Wii up until about 3 weeks ago. When a new Nintendo release would come, I would play and beat it on the first weekend I had free and then not touch the Wii until the next release with nothing to play inbetween. The only game to break that mold was SSBB, and that was thanks to the online multiplayer. After waiting for nintendo press events and such and seeing that nothing of interest was coming, I bought a 360. Now I am certainly satiated. With constant multplatform games and the exclusives of the 360 (plus all the previously released games I missed out on) along with (eventually I'm guessing) future first party titles of nintendo, I always have a game I could get and be happy with.

My question to the hardcore Wii owners is this: What did you expect?

Mainly, I expected quality and inventive games. Not only from nintendo, but from 3rd parties. You're right that Nintendo first party stuff has been pretty well taken care of, but we need things from 3rd parties inbetween nintendo games. Of course I don't expect Nintendo to constantly release first party stuff, they've never done that, but in the past, there were quality games from 3rd party developers to bridge the gaps.

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#138 Casiotech

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 08:19 PM

it's too bad 3rd parties don't want to deal with the wii, after seeing Zack and Wiki bomb, who can blame them?

the user base is 30 million + but the attach rate is probably 2 games per console, namely mario ones.

it seems that right now, nintendo just wants to push out their consoles. When sales fall, they'll start to shift towards making games for their new 60 million userbase or whatever. Because selling each wii owner a couple of new AAA game is almost the equivalent of selling another 30 million consoles.

nintendo makes their money on hardware whereas all other companies make it on software and online service. Which is fine because selling 1 console at a profit with 2 games as opposed to a console at a loss but with 6-8 games is a way better strategy I believe. Lets not forget those subscriptions! Subscriptions are always the most profitable thing in almost any industry.


Doubt it will reach the 140 million of the ps2. But I'm curious to find out!

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 09:12 PM

Yeah. Not happening.

NOA can't/won't make any money by releasing Mother stateside. It's not going to happen. The fan translation is less than a month away so it's all good.

You really think that Nintendo couldn't make money on Mother 3 via Wiiware? With the rabid fanbase this series has they could move plenty of copies at $15. And the Secret Of Mana was just released on the VC. I'm sure Earthbound would sell just as many copies and Nintendo wouldn't have to split the money with SE. I mean look at some of the dreck that's been released on the VC, yet no Mother/Earthbound games. For whatever reason, NOA has no interest in this series and couldn't care less about how many people want to see it.

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 10:10 PM

NOA will release Earthbound eventually.

#141 dmaul1114

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 10:29 PM

it's too bad 3rd parties don't want to deal with the wii, after seeing Zack and Wiki bomb, who can blame them?


Third parties shouldn't make much out of Z&W failing. Point and click adventures is a niche, at best, genre.

If third parties want to see if something sells, they need to make a top notch AAA game in a major genre like FPS and see how that sells. Likely it wouldn't sell well as the core Wii base isn't into such genres--thus the Wii is stuck with Nintendo franchises and casual games like Wii Fit as that's what the bulk of the user base bought the console for. So third parties are kind of limited to those genres if they want to sell big numbers, and better off going to the 360/PS3 if they want to put out FPS games, action games, RPGs etc.

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 10:33 PM

But the point is that the Wii doesn't offer enough to satisfy on its own, not that gamers can't be satisfied with everything.


You make a great point. My thing is, why would anyone expect the Wii to be different than the Gamecube? The Gamecube had great Nintendo games and so so support from 3rd party publishers.

The Wii has a much bigger base but nothing that would make a 3rd party publisher want to publish a game. Like you said, Zack & Wiki bombed. So you have a system that's in every house but everyone is just playing one or two games. Kids are getting a birthday present and a Christmas present and it's not being wasted on hardcore games. Everyone can bitch about it or find a system with the games you want.

#143 dmaul1114

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 10:43 PM

Yeah, that was a point I made earlier. Neither the N64 or GC offered nearly enough core games to satisfy a "hardcore" gamer, so people were silly to expect anything different this time.

For "hardcore" gamers the Wii really won't work as a sole console. But it's a nice complement to the PS3/360 if you like the types of games on the Wii as it offers something much different than those two consoles.

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 10:45 PM

You really think that Nintendo couldn't make money on Mother 3 via Wiiware?


Not enough to make it worthwhile, no. To translate it and then either code a GBA emulator to WiiWare or port the game to some other container it would cost a small fortune. I really and truly doubt Nintendo would sell more than 30k copies of it as well. The game just has no appeal outside of 'gamer' circles.

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 10:58 PM

Yeah, the whole rabid fanbase for Mother 3 is a little misleading. I have no doubt that alot of people would love to see the game on the VC but it's nothing like the people lining up to get Madden or Halo. Those are rabid fanbases.

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Posted 14 October 2008 - 03:36 AM

I f'ing hate Reggie. At one point I thought he was the wisest player in the industry. Now, he's just a corporate tool. Granted, I understand that companies are in business to make money. But, what about soul? He ripped the soul out of Nintendo. This is especially surprising coming from a Japanese company where they have values and pride. Not anymore.

Here's the thing....Nintendo needs to make games that I (and anyone else I talk to that isn't a recently converted Mom...no i'm not being facecious) want to play. I own three games for the Wii, the very system I camped out for when it launched. They are Wii Sports, Zelda and Disney Princess for my 3 year old Daughter.

So, do reply to Reggie directly, "Sir, you've slapped your "core" fans in the face enough over the last few years. Please restrain yourself from verbally attacking those who actually stuck with the company during the Nintendo 64 days. It's classless."

Thank you, i'm off my soapbox now.
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Posted 14 October 2008 - 03:54 AM

I f'ing hate Reggie. At one point I thought he was the wisest player in the industry. Now, he's just a corporate tool. Granted, I understand that companies are in business to make money. But, what about soul? He ripped the soul out of Nintendo. This is especially surprising coming from a Japanese company where they have values and pride. Not anymore.


NOA has always been under an incredibly short leash to NCL. Come on, deep down you know all that shit Reggie was talking was an act. Yamauchi is one psychopathic bastard and he built the hierarchy that controlled all of Nintendo.

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Posted 14 October 2008 - 06:31 AM

nintendo doesn't care about the n64 people. They have a new fanbase now (grandma and grandson) they don't need any of you.

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Posted 14 October 2008 - 10:52 AM

Yeah, the whole rabid fanbase for Mother 3 is a little misleading. I have no doubt that alot of people would love to see the game on the VC but it's nothing like the people lining up to get Madden or Halo. Those are rabid fanbases.


Well I didn't say large fanbase, I said rabid! ;)

Concerning sales, have any numbers been released anywhere (Nintendo or developer) on Wiiware sales? Would 30K be a good number or is it 100K? From what I saw on VC game sales a few months back, dl games don't sell as well as I had thought they would.

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Posted 14 October 2008 - 01:28 PM

Well I didn't say large fanbase, I said rabid! ;)


That's why it's not coming out. They could go through the effort but the rabid fanbase might not buy it because of who did the translation or the color palette was a little off or the sound was slightly garbled. It's not worth the time and effort because fanboys are never satisfied. Why throw the rabid fanbase a bone when they'll just spit right back?