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#2011 weevles

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 06:34 PM

No, technically it has to be some specific thickness before they will DC it - so you can't do that with a letter, or even a thin folder type mailer. I think you can pay up for the signature confirmation, though, on those - or possibly send them certified. If you put it in a bubble mailer, though, you can probably get DC.



Oops, you can get Delivery Conf w/Priority Mail, which includes flat mailers.

I stick w/Priority 'cause of my location and figured it applied to everything, but I guess it doesn't. >_<

#2012 io

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 11:17 PM

Yeah, cheapest option, though, is to go with a bubble mailer + DC. You can even pad the mailer a bit with tissue paper or something so they don't get on your case about the DC. I'll just be printing mine off via Paypal if I go that route. However, I will probably just stick with cheap-ass mail and not even bother with the DC. It is highly unlikely the PO will lose it and even if they do I'm sure you could plead your case with Atlus.

And by the way, last night was the first night in a long time when I didn't play any Demon's Souls. I've moved on to R&C. I just need to make sure I get it finished up, though, being that I am so close to getting that platinum. I "temporarily" stopped playing Oblivion a few months ago after putting about 80 hours in and I've never gone back to it. I don't want that to happen here. Fortunately I've got my son bugging me to see the black CT stuff, so he'll keep on me about it till I do it ;).

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 06:44 PM

so i am a royal and finished 1-1 and 1-2 and died once.... i think i have been playing REALLY conservatively though

two questions though...
1- what is a good order to tackle the different levels (i.e. finish 1-X or start 2-1, 3-1 etc)?
2- i like magic a lot so far (always like being a mage in RPGs)... will i be screwed later on if there are enemies that dont get affected by magic? and what categories should i be leveling up while its still cheap to do so? thanks

#2014 weevles

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 07:02 PM

There's no right or wrong way to level. For royal, most people want to continue to pump their Magic/Int stats at least for the first playthrough. I personally wanted to use certain weapons and armor asap, so I pumped up STR to 22 (for Purple Flame Shield) and got my dex up to 16 since I like having a bow (better range than magic).

For me, I did 1-1, 1-2, 4-1, and 2-1 so far and it's been fine. The next ones I plan to do are 2-2 and 3-1. From there I'll probably be less concerned about the order.

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 07:09 PM

Farm 4-1 skeles for some levels. I am doing 4-2 (though I need the 20k souls for the evac miracle to do it properly) for a few levels/souls now that I have 4-1 done, but you should be able to level quite a bit by just farming 4-1. STR to 22 is important. Then decide what you want to do. Dex helps with bows...there are a couple of nice miracles and Faith of 16 gets you 2 slots. I think INT of 14 or 15 gets you 2 spell slots.

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 07:53 PM

I found 4-1 relatively easy--if you can get to the boss, then just go for it since he's probably the easiest in the game. I think I was about SL40 too when I did it, too. For me, the Golden Skels were more difficult since you have to fight them on the cliff and there's really no room to roll/dodge. I ended up using magic to get through that part since my attack power wasn't too good, I didn't have a mace/blunt weapon, and I just didn't want to spend a lot of time fighting them. I keep thief's ring on pretty much all the time, so for the black skels, the first one I can kill either with arrows from below the ledge he's on, or just bait him into the long corridor and backstab him when he gives up and walks back. The second one, I just lure him into the courtyard so I have more room to dodge/roll. The third I can kill w/flame toss, but there's enough room to melee if you want to just turpentine your weapon and have at it.

Right now, I'm just farming the easy reaper in 4-2. Rescued Urbain, but I don't feel like seeing the entire level through just yet as I'd like to have a bit more attack power/vitality to get through it. I might try finishing 2-2 first as I'd like to get better weapon upgrades, then maybe try 3-1 to at least rescue Freke.


When I do NG+ world 4 is probably the first I will take out.

You know a good sercret to 4-2 after the first reaper.

walk out the door to the edge of the block floor... just before you drop to the clif side. You can see the two skeletons and the archer.

Shoot the middle skeleton with a bow... he rolls right off the edge and dies. I can 2 shot the other archer, and if you can hit him successfully in sequence he can never return fire.. if he does side step and go back to hitting him. Dont forget to zoom with the bow.

The last guy you can hit once with a bow... then get out of bow mode and back all the way behind the flag pole or whatever is right there... stay on the brick.. that skeleton rolls right up to you and off the edge... you never have to fight any of those 3.


Then for the goldies I can hit them 3-4 times with my bow and drop them, but what I did to this point is hit them and wait for them to turn around and hit them again. You can do this and slowly back up the cliff and hit them again. They cant walk up the small step to get to the brick walkway so if it takes you that long to drop them you can work them up the step... again no risk situation.


Guys on the 5-1 giant trolls just a side step.. they cant turn fast.. you can smack them from the back very easy.
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#2017 stk i wvu

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 08:09 PM

so does the evac miracle let you keep all the souls you got and transport you back to the nexus?

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 08:12 PM

so does the evac miracle let you keep all the souls you got and transport you back to the nexus?


Yes - it's nice to have around

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 08:15 PM

indeed it is.. I have evac almost always in my que. I find myself using it less now but it was worth the dough for sure.
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#2020 weevles

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 08:15 PM

Farm 4-1 skeles for some levels. I am doing 4-2 (though I need the 20k souls for the evac miracle to do it properly) for a few levels/souls now that I have 4-1 done, but you should be able to level quite a bit by just farming 4-1. STR to 22 is important. Then decide what you want to do. Dex helps with bows...there are a couple of nice miracles and Faith of 16 gets you 2 slots. I think INT of 14 or 15 gets you 2 spell slots.



Right after 1-1, 4-1 will be pretty difficult w/o a high hit res shield. You can dodge/roll some parts, but in the enclosed spaces, the skels' roll is tough to avoid. I'd suggest doing 1-2 first since Royals can easily take out the Tower Knight from the archer positions without ever having to go near him. That opens up 1-2 Archstone where you can farm the two blue knights and archers for a while to level up.

1-2 can seem challenging at first due to the red dragon, but you should be able to time your sprints in between the towers if you just want to get to the boss and rescue Ostrava later. Plus running the top of the bridge nets you short bow in the second tower which you can use to take out the dragon from the first tower later on.

As for Evac, I haven't needed it yet since I only recently made SL58. As you get higher in SL, it becomes more of a concern to have. I'd suggest waiting until you can farm the 4-2 reaper before blowing souls on Evac as by then getting to 20K souls will be relatively quick.

#2021 ChibiJosh

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 09:21 PM

Everyone voted for this for best RPG of the year for the Spike Video Game Awards.

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#2022 io

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 10:59 PM

When I do NG+ world 4 is probably the first I will take out.

You know a good sercret to 4-2 after the first reaper.

walk out the door to the edge of the block floor... just before you drop to the clif side. You can see the two skeletons and the archer.

Shoot the middle skeleton with a bow... he rolls right off the edge and dies. I can 2 shot the other archer, and if you can hit him successfully in sequence he can never return fire.. if he does side step and go back to hitting him. Dont forget to zoom with the bow.

The last guy you can hit once with a bow... then get out of bow mode and back all the way behind the flag pole or whatever is right there... stay on the brick.. that skeleton rolls right up to you and off the edge... you never have to fight any of those 3.


Then for the goldies I can hit them 3-4 times with my bow and drop them, but what I did to this point is hit them and wait for them to turn around and hit them again. You can do this and slowly back up the cliff and hit them again. They cant walk up the small step to get to the brick walkway so if it takes you that long to drop them you can work them up the step... again no risk situation.


Guys on the 5-1 giant trolls just a side step.. they cant turn fast.. you can smack them from the back very easy.


Well, you covered the easy part ;). Here's the rest: when you go in to the next inside part rush the first shadow and kill him as quickly as possible. His ray may take you out but if you get close he will try to melee. Then turn around from a spot about halfway down the stairs and you will just barely see the reaper in between two pillars. Try to take him out with a bow. It usually takes at least 2 shots and you can get 2 off before he moves. If you miss back up and watch for another shadow to show up and take him out. The reaper will be back to his spot. Go all the way down to where you killed the reaper and run in circles with your shield up. There is an invisible assassin waiting for you (you will hear his footsteps). He will backstab you if you don't move around. Once he shows up take care of him. Then go all the way down the stairs and just before you go outside there will be TWO of the assassins. If you go outside they won't bother you - but if you go for the two treasures off to the right they will attack.

Then, after following along the cliff you will come to a third inside part. Take out the first shadow with arrows (this one won't shoot rays at you) and then RUN up the stairs and RIGHT PAST the 3rd reaper and down the stairs, rolling all the way down. The thrid reaper shoots a death spell at you and it should miss if you are rolling. Once down, turn around and shoot him safely with arrows.

As for the club guys in 5-1, the only problem with side stepping is that you are usually fighting them in enclosed spaces or on ledges and that can often be deadly.

Farm 4-1 skeles for some levels. I am doing 4-2 (though I need the 20k souls for the evac miracle to do it properly) for a few levels/souls now that I have 4-1 done, but you should be able to level quite a bit by just farming 4-1. STR to 22 is important. Then decide what you want to do. Dex helps with bows...there are a couple of nice miracles and Faith of 16 gets you 2 slots. I think INT of 14 or 15 gets you 2 spell slots.


Yep, follow the strength and dexterity tips here because expecially as a magic-user you will want to be able to wield the purple flame shield + winged spear combo, and use a bow. The magic runs out quickly and spices (the things that replenish magic) are hard to come by. And waiting for the fragrant ring to replenish it wastes a ton of time, especially later.

indeed it is.. I have evac almost always in my que. I find myself using it less now but it was worth the dough for sure.


So I have a question, does evac work during boss fights? I've never tried it but after I try the arrow trick with the False King I'd like to have evac as a backup in case he rushes me!

#2023 Snake2715

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 12:12 AM

Well, you covered the easy part ;).

Then, after following along the cliff you will come to a third inside part. Take out the first shadow with arrows (this one won't shoot rays at you) and then RUN up the stairs and RIGHT PAST the 3rd reaper and down the stairs, rolling all the way down. The thrid reaper shoots a death spell at you and it should miss if you are rolling. Once down, turn around and shoot him safely with arrows.



You forgot one thing here.. once you go past the two assasins that are invisible and go out the door.... do a 180 and go back to where the first assasin was... walk up the steps 2-3 steps and look off to the side... there is the 3rd reaper and its shadow..!!


Also for the first shadow i dont rush him i hit him wiht 3 bow shots before he walks up the stairs... his angle on the stairs guarantees his ray wont hit you, as long as you stand at the entrance to that area.



So I have a question, does evac work during boss fights? I've never tried it but after I try the arrow trick with the False King I'd like to have evac as a backup in case he rushes me!



excellent question... I would like to have that for this fight as well.... hmm. Hopefully someone knows.

Also I have a question does resurrection change WT when you do it to blue phantoms? I am deciding where to use my boss souls
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#2024 Jodou

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 03:08 AM

So I have a question, does evac work during boss fights? I've never tried it but after I try the arrow trick with the False King I'd like to have evac as a backup in case he rushes me!

Yes, evacuation works during boss fights.

#2025 stk i wvu

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 03:56 AM

Yes, evacuation works during boss fights.


wow that might make that miracle one of most crucial things to have

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 05:34 PM

/\ or just dont go in loaded to the gill with souls... you may pull off a last minute kill. Although sometimes you just know whats going to happen! Other times you may not have the time needed to cast this.
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Posted 19 November 2009 - 05:53 PM

Everyone voted for this for best RPG of the year for the Spike Video Game Awards.

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Done. Kinda lame to see Borderlands in there. I know it is a sorta RPG, but still.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 07:32 PM

Well, you covered the easy part ;). Here's the rest: when you go in to the next inside part rush the first shadow and kill him as quickly as possible. His ray may take you out but if you get close he will try to melee. Then turn around from a spot about halfway down the stairs and you will just barely see the reaper in between two pillars. Try to take him out with a bow. It usually takes at least 2 shots and you can get 2 off before he moves. If you miss back up and watch for another shadow to show up and take him out. The reaper will be back to his spot. Go all the way down to where you killed the reaper and run in circles with your shield up. There is an invisible assassin waiting for you (you will hear his footsteps). He will backstab you if you don't move around. Once he shows up take care of him. Then go all the way down the stairs and just before you go outside there will be TWO of the assassins. If you go outside they won't bother you - but if you go for the two treasures off to the right they will attack.


Ah thanks for this part. I've tried this part twice with no luck. I keep getting to the 2nd reaper spot and would kill the first shadow. Then I assume I was at the spot I'm supposed to see the reaper from because there was a player comment saying "sniper spot" or something but as I look for the damn reaper the shadow re-spawns killed me with his ray the first time and the second time I accidently rolled off the stairs to my death.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 09:35 PM

Ah thanks for this part. I've tried this part twice with no luck. I keep getting to the 2nd reaper spot and would kill the first shadow. Then I assume I was at the spot I'm supposed to see the reaper from because there was a player comment saying "sniper spot" or something but as I look for the damn reaper the shadow re-spawns killed me with his ray the first time and the second time I accidently rolled off the stairs to my death.


I kill two shadows and then rush that second reaper. One or two swipes and it falls to its death.

If you go outside the door (after the invisible assassins) and then back inside up the stairs you can snipe the 3rd reaper no problem. Dunno if this has all been covered... was away from the computer for about a week. :)

#2030 Snake2715

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 09:43 PM

dang Saint.... look 6 posts up or so, I covered it..

level 4-2 is so great.
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#2031 io

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 09:56 PM

I kill two shadows and then rush that second reaper. One or two swipes and it falls to its death.

If you go outside the door (after the invisible assassins) and then back inside up the stairs you can snipe the 3rd reaper no problem. Dunno if this has all been covered... was away from the computer for about a week. :)


This I didn't know (till Snake posted it) but it seems just as easy to rush past the third one and then take him out from below.

But why do you have to go outside past the two assassins and then back in again? Can't you get him before you go outside, or does going outside trigger something that makes him show up or move?

I just never thought to try that because I thought the third reaper was in a completely different, unconnected, section (and he seems so well hidden I thought they made it impossible to snipe him on purpose). Plus, well, neither the guide nor the online FAQ mention this :bomb:.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 10:02 PM

dang Saint.... look 6 posts up or so, I covered it..
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You move coast to coast and see how your brain is! I still am jumbled from the drive alone.. :lol: Sorry!

But yeah... the way mentioned by Snake is the way to go for sure.

#2033 Snake2715

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 10:07 PM

I was coming in to edit my post, I may not be the only or first to even post that idea in this thread... I realized it when i noticed the shadow over there... I shot at him forever and he never died... then when I went out the door and had to back track I noticed the reaper.... Then I realized the door must be when the reaper comes active. This was pretty early on for me so I am glad I caught it, it helped on that level greatly.


I have written sniper spot in the area before, but most people probably think I am crazy as he is not there yet and the shadow wont die unless you go out and back in.
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Posted 23 November 2009 - 02:22 AM

Bumpan the thread, and I'm probably going to get this for Christmas. Hopefully I'm not to late to the party. :D

I'm not going to do a lot of research on this game until I get it.

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 02:45 AM

Don't worry. I didn't either. I just started this the other day and it's one of the hardest games I've ever played. If there was a way to keep the camera locked on it would be much easier. Makes me appreciate the Zelda games that much more. Timing is key and be prepared for a frustrating experience. I'm still working my way through the first area. The game is unforgiving and harder than, 'I just saw Megan Fox naked in front of me' wood. I'm looking for advice, but most of the beginner stuff goes back quite a few pages. I'll have to go back and look at it myself.

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 02:46 AM

if there was a way to keep the camera locked on it would be much easier.


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EDIT - Advice... Use royal to start for an easier start. Parry/counter. Keep your shield up. Keep a very measured pace. Try to lure enemies out one at a time to not get swarmed.

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 02:52 AM

Don't worry. I didn't either. I just started this the other day and it's one of the hardest games I've ever played. If there was a way to keep the camera locked on it would be much easier. Makes me appreciate the Zelda games that much more. Timing is key and be prepared for a frustrating experience. I'm still working my way through the first area. The game is unforgiving and harder than, 'I just saw Megan Fox naked in front of me' wood. I'm looking for advice, but most of the beginner stuff goes back quite a few pages. I'll have to go back and look at it myself.



Start as Royalty....it will make the first level infinitely easier to finish. Dying is a big part of the game....it is a cruel learning process.

The False Idol on 3-1 has to be the easiest of the bosses I've finished yet...although I hear 4-2 is easy as well, but I have not made it there yet. Finished 1-1, 1-2, 2-1, 2-2, 3-1, and 4-1. Was stupid and upgraded my +6 spear without enough moonstones to get higher than +1...the meat cleaver assisted a little, but I upgraded the Cresent Falchion to +4 and that started kicking major rear....I really miss being able to block and attack though...time to farm 3-1 and 3-2.

#2038 io

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 03:29 AM

r3?

EDIT - Advice... Use royal to start for an easier start. Parry/counter. Keep your shield up. Keep a very measured pace. Try to lure enemies out one at a time to not get swarmed.


I'm near the end of my NG+ and I've never once parried. I just couldn't get the hang of it - every time I tried I would get slaughtered when I missed the parry. So I just went to block/attack with the spear - much easier. I think by parry/counterattack you mean when the enemy attacks you push L2 with the shield on the left hand, right? Anyway, just a tip for those starting out that it is by no means necessary to know how to do that.

Start as Royalty....it will make the first level infinitely easier to finish. Dying is a big part of the game....it is a cruel learning process.

The False Idol on 3-1 has to be the easiest of the bosses I've finished yet...although I hear 4-2 is easy as well, but I have not made it there yet. Finished 1-1, 1-2, 2-1, 2-2, 3-1, and 4-1. Was stupid and upgraded my +6 spear without enough moonstones to get higher than +1...the meat cleaver assisted a little, but I upgraded the Cresent Falchion to +4 and that started kicking major rear....I really miss being able to block and attack though...time to farm 3-1 and 3-2.


Royalty, yes... I only died a few times when I first started out.

3-1 was pretty easy in original game but much harder in NG+ because it seems she made so many more copies and you can't always hide from them (some are in front, some behind even if you hide behind the pillars). Still not too tough, but I had to be much more careful. The black phantom leading up to her, though, was easy as cake on NG+ and I was prepared for her to be much tougher.

4-2 is somewhat easy, but can be a bit tricky if you don't time your runs from the front to the back very well. The essiest boss in the game is the one on 4-3, though - and it is even easier in NG+ because you already have the sword you need to grab from way out on the cliffs (which is the only slightly hard part of the level).

I've stopped playing for now but I need to get back in before I forget how to play effectively. I still need to do the black CT events and then finish my 2nd playthrough (just 1-4 dragon and boss left to do) and then move on to NG++. I need to blow through that and get all my spells, then start NG+++ and get the last few special weapons forged, and I should have a platinum. It will be interesting to see how quickly I can blow through my NG++ when I don't have to do any additional stuff. The problem is, I always have a hard time passing up crystal geckos and like to get to all of them and farm them - not to mention the primevil demons.

A tip for late game on the first playthrough: I would suggest you take on black phantom Satsuki in the original game because even though I am leveled up way beyond what I was when I first fought him, he seems to be much more powerful in NG+ - more so than any of the bosses. I haven't fought any other BF NPC's except Miralda (who I cheesed with poison cloud again) so I'm not sure if they all get tougher like that.

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 03:36 AM

I'm going pretty slow with this game. I just got to 1-2. The problem I'm having is that the game doesn't really grab me and make me yearn to play more. The story is usually my main drive in a game.

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 03:38 AM

Just voted. I really wanted to vote for Dragon Age: Origins, but I voted for Demon's Souls simply because I want to support the smaller games/studios.

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