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#91 Ruined

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Posted 03 February 2009 - 04:11 PM

Hellboy (1) looks really bad on Blu-Ray. The graininess is off the charts. I couldn't even watch half of it because I was constantly irritated from the bad quality.


Grain does not make a movie "look bad." Film, which most movies are shot on, inherently has grain. It is naturally there. If you use DNR to remove the grain, you remove the fine detail as well because the fine detail is actually stored in those film grains. So you have the choice of either watching with grain and getting the full detail as seen in the theaters, or you can DNR out the grain and get effective lower resolution and a video-like look.

Personally, I far prefer grain & theatrical-like look than trying to DNR everything (losing fine detail in the process) to look like a video game/wax museum. Film grain is to Blu-ray what "black bars"/widescreen was to DVD; it takes some adjusting to, but in the end you are getting higher quality with the grain intact. There is little point to high resolution/Blu-ray if you filter out tons of fine detail.

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Posted 04 February 2009 - 12:19 AM

Yes, only the US version is affected; UK version should be fine.

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Posted 04 February 2009 - 02:10 AM

Grain does not make a movie "look bad." Film, which most movies are shot on, inherently has grain. It is naturally there. If you use DNR to remove the grain, you remove the fine detail as well because the fine detail is actually stored in those film grains. So you have the choice of either watching with grain and getting the full detail as seen in the theaters, or you can DNR out the grain and get effective lower resolution and a video-like look.

Personally, I far prefer grain & theatrical-like look than trying to DNR everything (losing fine detail in the process) to look like a video game/wax museum. Film grain is to Blu-ray what "black bars"/widescreen was to DVD; it takes some adjusting to, but in the end you are getting higher quality with the grain intact. There is little point to high resolution/Blu-ray if you filter out tons of fine detail.


That depends on whether the grain was artificial or inherent to the film media it is shot on.
Some spec effects films, CGI, IMAX shot, 1080p+ video shot, and animated CGI movies now have added film-grain purely for effect.

If it is intentional and natural to the film, like in Reservoir Dogs and it is inherent to the film, then that is fine; If it's added for "credibility" or appearance with Magic Bullet software . . .etc. and only for effect then it's crap and shouldn't be in the Blu version IMHO.

To me it's like people who prefer the audio of a Vinyl LP over a CD because they like the pop and crackle-calling CD's artificially bright. It's a thin argument.

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#94 weevles

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Posted 04 February 2009 - 02:38 AM

You missed Ruined's point--he was specifically referring to a shot on film movie.

#95 Ruined

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 04:37 PM

You missed Ruined's point--he was specifically referring to a shot on film movie.


Which is 99% of non-animated movies that have been made. Recently there have been a select few shot on digital, but even recently the ratio is very small. Most movies pre-2000 and most movies still going forward are shot on film.

The movie in question (Hellboy) was shot on 35mm film, not digitally:
http://www.imdb.com/...67190/technical
This is the most common way film is shot.

Thus if you filter out the grain, you also filter out the fine detail and defeat the purpose of having a high resolution format in the first place. Sony's transfer of it is great.

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 02:33 AM

You missed Ruined's point--he was specifically referring to a shot on film movie.


I was actually agreeing with him, just expounding on the idea. Some movies shot on film, like indie titles artificially enhance and/or add granularity for grittiness, but even then as long as that is the directors intent it's a good thing.

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 07:57 PM

Damn, that District B13 issue would really annoy me I think and I was planning on getting it. Well, I guess I just saved myself some money. Thanks, great thread.

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 09:27 PM

Thanks OP.I expected this list to be only a few obscure titles,but sheesh,this is BS.I have a PS3,but have not been buying any Blu Ray movies & I think I'll stick with dvds for a while longer.

#99 h3llbring3r

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 09:55 PM

Lionsgate is apparently just ignoring emails about their flaws in the HD masters of their Blu's.
I have decided to put a short but to the point review on Amazon (a lot of good it will do, I know).
http://www.amazon.co...=cm_cr_rdp_perm

If you guys wanna vote it up maybe they will notice- doubt it.
I also encourage anyone else who bought this to do the same.

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#100 ratzombie

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Posted 13 February 2009 - 03:20 AM

I think companies take Amazon reviews pretty seriously, I voted for it.

#101 h3llbring3r

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Posted 13 February 2009 - 06:27 PM

I think companies take Amazon reviews pretty seriously, I voted for it.


Thanks man, I hope so. I just keep getting automated email responses.

RE: Since it is on page before this one.

Lionsgate is apparently just ignoring emails about their flaws in the HD masters of their Blu's.
I have decided to put a short but to the point review on Amazon (a lot of good it will do, I know).
http://www.amazon.co...=cm_cr_rdp_perm

If you guys wanna vote it up maybe they will notice- doubt it.
I also encourage anyone else who bought this to do the same.

Any other flawed disc reviews you guys have would be great; I would be glad to make this a campaign.

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Posted 15 February 2009 - 01:05 PM

I voted "helpful"... i assume that's what you mean in "voting it up".... Shame. If it's worth doing... it's worth doing right. And that flick does bring back H.S. Memories... :)
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#103 eterral

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Posted 17 February 2009 - 10:25 PM

On a few of my disc's I get this wierd Motion Blur with things like faces or people moving. Would this be a flaw with the transfer or maybe something more likely wrong with my set?

#104 joeyatog

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Posted 18 February 2009 - 05:19 PM

i have the Enter The Dragon blu-ray and it does have a few scenes with some poorly mastered details. But for the most part, it looks amazing! the colors are impressive and it's a great deal as you can usually find it for around $15.
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Posted 27 February 2009 - 03:57 PM

i have the Enter The Dragon blu-ray and it does have a few scenes with some poorly mastered details. But for the most part, it looks amazing! the colors are impressive and it's a great deal as you can usually find it for around $15.


Check out these direct screengrabs of Enter the Dragon at full size on a digital monitor:
http://www.avsforum....433&postcount=2

With the noticable amount of jaggies, the transfer falls very short of "amazing."

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Posted 27 February 2009 - 04:19 PM

Check out these direct screengrabs of Enter the Dragon at full size on a digital monitor:
http://www.avsforum....433&postcount=2

With the noticable amount of jaggies, the transfer falls very short of "amazing."


i also said there were several scenes that didn't look that good. but for the price, and the unlikelyhood of a double dip, i doubt we will see a better version anytime soon.
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#107 h3llbring3r

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Posted 27 February 2009 - 04:25 PM

i also said there were several scenes that didn't look that good. but for the price, and the unlikelyhood of a double dip, i doubt we will see a better version anytime soon.


As with the Lionsgate titles where this happened with the effective resolution was cut in half (like Enter the Dragon) I consider these titles critically flawed.

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Posted 28 February 2009 - 12:13 AM

i also said there were several scenes that didn't look that good. but for the price, and the unlikelyhood of a double dip, i doubt we will see a better version anytime soon.


The thing is, the entire movie is 960x1080, not just parts of it - and the whole thing is aliased.

IMO a superb DVD upconverting player like the Pioneer BDP-51FD Blu-ray player w/latest firmware would do a better job with the latest DVD edition of Enter the Dragon than we see with the Blu-ray. The detail may not be as good, but at least you don't get stuck with the pixelated-jaggies look.

#109 joeyatog

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Posted 02 March 2009 - 04:53 PM

The thing is, the entire movie is 960x1080, not just parts of it - and the whole thing is aliased.

IMO a superb DVD upconverting player like the Pioneer BDP-51FD Blu-ray player w/latest firmware would do a better job with the latest DVD edition of Enter the Dragon than we see with the Blu-ray. The detail may not be as good, but at least you don't get stuck with the pixelated-jaggies look.


I see, thank you for informing me. Good thing I didn't pay for this Blu-Ray! =p
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Posted 06 March 2009 - 08:01 PM

Is there a thread like this for HD-DVDs?

If not there should be, the newest version of Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow refuses to work in the 360 HD-DVD player. I'm sure there are others like the above.

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Posted 22 March 2009 - 11:02 PM

I couldn't get past the title screen on two different copies of babylon ad. I don't need to watch anymore vin diesel movies anyway

#112 Ruined

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Posted 30 March 2009 - 05:56 PM

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#113 ITDEFX

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 10:51 PM

is it me or does the re-issue (2007) of The Fifth Element have a few scenes that have some frame jerking?

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 10:55 PM

is it me or does the re-issue (2007) of The Fifth Element have a few scenes that have some frame jerking?


Can u name a few scenes you noticed it in and I can check? I dont recall any but its been a year since Ive watched it.

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Posted 14 April 2009 - 02:43 AM

Can u name a few scenes you noticed it in and I can check? I dont recall any but its been a year since Ive watched it.


I'll rewatch it but I noticed in the first 30 mins of the movie.

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Posted 07 May 2009 - 12:22 PM

Is anyone else experiencing the sound being off in Hellboy 2? The entire movie looks like it was dubbed over in English from Chinese or something like in the old Godzilla movies.

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Posted 07 May 2009 - 04:20 PM

Is anyone else experiencing the sound being off in Hellboy 2? The entire movie looks like it was dubbed over in English from Chinese or something like in the old Godzilla movies.


Hmm, i didn't have any audio issues with my hellboy 2. in fact, it's one of the best mixes i've heard!
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Posted 07 May 2009 - 07:17 PM

Hmm, i didn't have any audio issues with my hellboy 2. in fact, it's one of the best mixes i've heard!


Same here. It might be an issue with you getting lag from your receiver.
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#119 crazylikeafox11

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Posted 07 May 2009 - 07:36 PM

Yeah so far all of my blu-rays have played just fine on my PS3 (probably should have mentioned that's what I was using before). I'll try it again later.

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 05:39 PM

Update on my Hellboy 2 audio sync problem. It seems that the issue occurs on all discs with Ucontrol (Incredible Hulk, Heroes). Seems to be a little better when I change the settings of my ps3 to bitstream from linear PCM.

Anywho, it's not the disc (I had my brother test it in his blu-ray player and it played just fine); guess I need to take a look at my settings.