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#31 radjago

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Posted 20 January 2005 - 07:50 PM

That being said, its hard to say. Even if the Xbox version does become rare, in 2 system generations, maybe it'll be part of some compilatiion. If they throw it in some Sega Smashpack 7 or something, your value will plummet like a rock.


This isn't true. Shining Force was released in a Smash Pack and it still holds an above-average value to Genesis collectors. The same goes for the Phantasy Star collection (excluding IV).

I contend that good games can hold their value better than many rare titles. Compare the many dismal Blockbuster exclusive games, rare only due to their limited production and distribution, to nearly any quality SNES RPG and you'll get my point.

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Posted 20 January 2005 - 07:52 PM

i've never viewed video games as investments.


indeed, video gaming is a fun activity, but for heavens sake please dont confuse it with some sort of investment stragety or a way to get rich later in life.

OH man, i used to collect comic books in the early 90s, and that industry just about disintigrated. I probably spent a thousand dollars on comics from 1990 to 1994(went to college in 1994 and gave it up). All those comic books, while i still own them, they are maybe worth a couple hundred all together. that was a horrible investment, but it sure was fun. I view videogames in much the same way, they are fun to play and can be fun to collect, but I do not plan on selling these to get rich off of them later in life
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Posted 20 January 2005 - 07:53 PM

damn, i was all set to post the 7 million dollar flaw in gamedudes arguement but cornfedweb beat me to it.


Yes, but its better now that he still doesn't get it. This is why its good for him to have his retirement wrapped up in Suikoden IIs and Rezs.


yes. i tried to explain it above in more detail, but i bet he will still say it would have been better to spend that $10,000 on videogames.

the ONLY way you could even come close to that would be to buy a wharehouse full of sealed final fantasy 3 copies and keep them sealed, they are currently selling for approx $500 apiece. so that would be a $450 dollar profit on each one that you bought at $50.

actually, that would only get you a couple hundred thousand dollars(nowhere even close to the millions you could have made from investing in yahoo, or microsoft or aol back in 1994_. And that is the best possible scenario (that i know of) for the sealed video game market.


$10,000 invested in MSFT 10 years ago would now be worth a little less than $79,000.

Yahoo became a public company in 1996. A $10,000 investment there would be worth about $300,000


If you bought the FF games at retail (which isn't advisable) and could sell them for $500 each, your investment would be worth $100,000, which is comparable to MSFT.
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Posted 20 January 2005 - 07:56 PM

damn, i was all set to post the 7 million dollar flaw in gamedudes arguement but cornfedweb beat me to it.


Yes, but its better now that he still doesn't get it. This is why its good for him to have his retirement wrapped up in Suikoden IIs and Rezs.


The sad this is that YOU don't get it. I've been investing for nearly 10 years. I hold my Series 7 license....of which I scored a 90% on it. The average passing score is 73. However, this doesn't mean that any of my advice is approved by the SEC or NASD.

Cornfedwb, you're a smart guy, but you don't understand the stock market.


OK time to call BS. you are not a stock trader, if you you used to be, then you certainly didint trade for very long or with much success.
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Posted 20 January 2005 - 08:02 PM

damn, i was all set to post the 7 million dollar flaw in gamedudes arguement but cornfedweb beat me to it.


Yes, but its better now that he still doesn't get it. This is why its good for him to have his retirement wrapped up in Suikoden IIs and Rezs.


yes. i tried to explain it above in more detail, but i bet he will still say it would have been better to spend that $10,000 on videogames.

the ONLY way you could even come close to that would be to buy a wharehouse full of sealed final fantasy 3 copies and keep them sealed, they are currently selling for approx $500 apiece. so that would be a $450 dollar profit on each one that you bought at $50.

actually, that would only get you a couple hundred thousand dollars(nowhere even close to the millions you could have made from investing in yahoo, or microsoft or aol back in 1994_. And that is the best possible scenario (that i know of) for the sealed video game market.


$10,000 invested in MSFT 10 years ago would now be worth a little less than $79,000.

Yahoo became a public company in 1996. A $10,000 investment there would be worth about $300,000


If you bought the FF games at retail (which isn't advisable) and could sell them for $500 each, your investment would be worth $100,000, which is comparable to MSFT.


again, you are ignoring the stock splits: see page 2 4th post from the top on why buying 1000 shares of yahoo in 1996 @ 10 dollars per share would get you millions of dollars now, not 300,000 like you state. You say you trade stocks(or at least used to?), i dont trade stocks, i invest a little, unfortunately i didnt have spare cash to invest in the 90s, if i had invested in time warner, aol, microsoft, ibm and yahoo, my goodness i would have so much money now it would not even be funny.
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Posted 20 January 2005 - 08:04 PM

damn, i was all set to post the 7 million dollar flaw in gamedudes arguement but cornfedweb beat me to it.


Yes, but its better now that he still doesn't get it. This is why its good for him to have his retirement wrapped up in Suikoden IIs and Rezs.


The sad this is that YOU don't get it. I've been investing for nearly 10 years. I hold my Series 7 license....of which I scored a 90% on it. The average passing score is 73. However, this doesn't mean that any of my advice is approved by the SEC or NASD.

Cornfedwb, you're a smart guy, but you don't understand the stock market.


OK time to call BS. you are not a stock trader, if you you used to be, then you certainly didint trade for very long or with much success.


You can call bs all you want. I never said I was a "stock trader." I have invested in many stocks and I'm a financial advisor. I just want you guys to understand that if a stock splits, you are in the same situation you were before as far as value goes.

Bob has $10,000 invested in XYZ corporation.

Stock XYZ spilts 2 for 1. Before the split, Bob had 100 shares, now he has 200. Presplit, XYZ's stock price was $100, now it's $50. Bob still has $10,000 in his account.

Well, a bunch of shareholders decide to approve a move that would split teh stock 2 for 1 again. Bob now has 400 shares at a price of $25. He still has $10,000 into his account. You could do this ad nauseam. The ONLY way your account will increase in value is if the underlying shares increase. If the stock goes from $25 to $50, you now have $10,000. This would be the same if the stock went from $100 to $200 though.
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#37 JSweeney

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Posted 20 January 2005 - 08:07 PM

I guess my point is this. It's better to invest $20 into a game that you think will be valuable than into a stock or mutual fund.


If you play the percentages, sure.
A game with rarity or demand behind it is far more likely to double in price than a stock. The thing is, the gains most games (with the exception of one of a kind or prototype games) is that in most cases the gains made will be trivial.

Heck, if you're only concerned with short term gains, and are only buying a game as a commodity to sell at a later date, you'd be better off gambling. At least then you'll know the probabilities for your chances of a payout before putting your money down.

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Posted 20 January 2005 - 08:10 PM

I guess my point is this. It's better to invest $20 into a game that you think will be valuable than into a stock or mutual fund.


If you play the percentages, sure.
A game with rarity or demand behind it is far more likely to double in price than a stock. The thing is, the gains most games (with the exception of one of a kind or prototype games) is that in most cases the gains made will be trivial.

Heck, if you're only concerned with short term gains, and are only buying a game as a commodity to sell at a later date, you'd be better off gambling. At least then you'll know the probabilities for your chances of a payout before putting your money down.


You might be better of gambling but if you know your industry well enough, you would be better of investing in games. Chances are, a sealed FFX will go more than a sealed Mojo. You can't really increase your odds like that in gambling since it's all luck...unless you count cards and stuff ;)
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Posted 20 January 2005 - 08:16 PM

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Posted 20 January 2005 - 08:19 PM

damn, i was all set to post the 7 million dollar flaw in gamedudes arguement but cornfedweb beat me to it.


Yes, but its better now that he still doesn't get it. This is why its good for him to have his retirement wrapped up in Suikoden IIs and Rezs.


The sad this is that YOU don't get it. I've been investing for nearly 10 years. I hold my Series 7 license....of which I scored a 90% on it. The average passing score is 73. However, this doesn't mean that any of my advice is approved by the SEC or NASD.

Cornfedwb, you're a smart guy, but you don't understand the stock market.


OK time to call BS. you are not a stock trader, if you you used to be, then you certainly didint trade for very long or with much success.


You can call bs all you want. I never said I was a "stock trader." I have invested in many stocks and I'm a financial advisor. I just want you guys to understand that if a stock splits, you are in the same situation you were before as far as value goes.

Bob has $10,000 invested in XYZ corporation.

Stock XYZ spilts 2 for 1. Before the split, Bob had 100 shares, now he has 200. Presplit, XYZ's stock price was $100, now it's $50. Bob still has $10,000 in his account.

Well, a bunch of shareholders decide to approve a move that would split teh stock 2 for 1 again. Bob now has 400 shares at a price of $25. He still has $10,000 into his account. You could do this ad nauseam. The ONLY way your account will increase in value is if the underlying shares increase. If the stock goes from $25 to $50, you now have $10,000. This would be the same if the stock went from $100 to $200 though.


OK that is the one valid point you have made in this tread, the stock does not increase in value simply from spliting, if you buy 100 shares of stock x at 10 dollars per share and it goes to 100 dollars a share and then does a 3 for one split, you have 300 shares, and it is worth 33.33 dollars per share. THEN if it climbs back to 100 again, you would have 30,000 worth of the stock(300 shares@100 dollars per share). That kind of growth was common in the 90s with all the tech stocks popping up, and it was possible to make huge sums of money from a relatively small invenstment.
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#41 JSweeney

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Posted 20 January 2005 - 08:21 PM

You might be better of gambling but if you know your industry well enough, you would be better of investing in games. Chances are, a sealed FFX will go more than a sealed Mojo. You can't really increase your odds like that in gambling since it's all luck...unless you count cards and stuff ;)

Actually, you can. Luck will always be a HUGE factor that can't be negated, but a skillful player at a table game will end up ahead of the non-skilled player in the short run (in the long run, the house always wins.)

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Posted 20 January 2005 - 08:24 PM

Yes, I'm glad you understand. But with people thinking that their $10,000 investment in a company would be worth $7 million in just 10 years drives me insane!

I don't know of ANY one stock that has produced those kinds of gains.
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Posted 20 January 2005 - 08:25 PM

You might be better of gambling but if you know your industry well enough, you would be better of investing in games. Chances are, a sealed FFX will go more than a sealed Mojo. You can't really increase your odds like that in gambling since it's all luck...unless you count cards and stuff ;)

Actually, you can. Luck will always be a HUGE factor that can't be negated, but a skillful player at a table game will end up ahead of the non-skilled player in the short run (in the long run, the house always wins.)


I'll gracefully bow out of talking about gambling now. That is one arena where I have virtually no experience. I bought a lottery ticket for $2 a while back and didn't win so I stopped.
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#44 JSweeney

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Posted 20 January 2005 - 08:53 PM

You might be better of gambling but if you know your industry well enough, you would be better of investing in games. Chances are, a sealed FFX will go more than a sealed Mojo. You can't really increase your odds like that in gambling since it's all luck...unless you count cards and stuff ;)

Actually, you can. Luck will always be a HUGE factor that can't be negated, but a skillful player at a table game will end up ahead of the non-skilled player in the short run (in the long run, the house always wins.)


I'll gracefully bow out of talking about gambling now. That is one arena where I have virtually no experience. I bought a lottery ticket for $2 a while back and didn't win so I stopped.


I think it's the luck of the Irish, but I've left Vegas up and when I gambled on one of the cruises I went on, I left up as well. Of course, I don't chase bad money, and I've left down as well...those are the times I played slot machines. I hate slot machines.

I should state it clearly though.... GAMBLING IS ONLY A WAY TO MAKE MONEY IF YOU ARE A CASINO OR A BOOKMAKER!! EVEN A SKILLED GAMBLER WILL LOSE IN THE LONG RUN!!

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Posted 21 January 2005 - 01:01 AM

i've never viewed video games as investments as someone earlier said. To the OP original post, I don't really think PDO will be more valuable in the future either sealed or not sealed because I believe that recently they had a re-release I believe. I also know that I see tons of copies at my Fry's and TRU.

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Posted 21 January 2005 - 04:18 AM

Uhm I'd have to say Gamedude has a better handle on stock splits than the other couple posters challenging him in this thread.

A stock splitting does not change the capatilization of the company.

Semi-related is peoples misconception of what a company's price per share 'means'.

Basically a companies per share price is not very meaningful in comparing company A to company B. For example it would be very silly to say "Oh Sears is just as good a company as Wal-Mart because both of their stocks are right around $50. It's all about market cap, P/E etc...

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Posted 21 January 2005 - 04:25 AM

You might be better of gambling but if you know your industry well enough, you would be better of investing in games. Chances are, a sealed FFX will go more than a sealed Mojo. You can't really increase your odds like that in gambling since it's all luck...unless you count cards and stuff ;)

Actually, you can. Luck will always be a HUGE factor that can't be negated, but a skillful player at a table game will end up ahead of the non-skilled player in the short run (in the long run, the house always wins.)


Actually in the short run swings in luck would make it a virtual crap shoot (har har) between a skilled and unskilled player. The few % point edge a skilled player would have over a non-skilled player would only reliably show itself over the long run. (And in that case the skilled player would lose less...)

Though I believe it's possible to beat the house at Blackjack if you can count cards (but the casino can pick up on the betting strategy and kick you out, and many casinos are apparently using machines that constantly reshuffle the cards making counting impossible.)

Check out 'Bringing Down the House' for the story of how a highly skilled team of gamblers beat the casinos at Blackjack. Really cool system they devised. I heard a while back that a movie is being made from the book.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:15 PM

Resuscitating this thread from the dead! Anyone have any idea how much this is worth now, if anything? I couldn't find any ebay listings/completed auctions for a sealed copy.

My backlog is so insanely large now that the only prudent thing to do is start getting rid of some older games that I have, and since I never would up getting a 360, this would fit the bill perfectly.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 07:12 AM

Lowest price on Amazon is $70 for a new copy.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 07:51 AM

lol... I think I bought this game at Frys for $10, it's still sealed too. >_<

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 01:48 AM

Lowest price on Amazon is $70 for a new copy.


Thanks for the heads up, YoshiFan1. Hadn't thought of checking Amazon Seller prices :). I always intended on playing it, but my backlog has blown up so much that I need to start whittling it down, not to mention having some extra cash is never a bad thing.

lol... I think I bought this game at Frys for $10, it's still sealed too. >_<


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Posted 23 January 2013 - 02:08 AM

Resuscitating this thread from the dead! Anyone have any idea how much this is worth now, if anything? I couldn't find any ebay listings/completed auctions for a sealed copy.

My backlog is so insanely large now that the only prudent thing to do is start getting rid of some older games that I have, and since I never would up getting a 360, this would fit the bill perfectly.


Ebay's completed listings show quite a few new copies for me. Four copies sold, in the $45-50 range.

http://www.ebay.com/...mCondition=1000

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 02:11 AM

Ebay's completed listings show quite a few new copies for me. Four copies sold, in the $45-50 range.

http://www.ebay.com/...mCondition=1000


Hmm...I hadn't used ebay in a long time. When I clicked the recently sold listings button before, I got a handful of results that were all for used copies. Weird.

Edit: Yeah, I saw all those listings when I clicked the link you gave, Vinny. I wonder why I got nothing like that the other day o_O.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 02:32 AM

Ebay's redesigns get worse and worse every year...

It's best to just go on eBay, search for an item (simple title search, i.e., "panzer dragoon orta"), select the completed listings option (look right above the first result) and then use the options on the left side to pick whatever option you need (condition, system, etc.).

Also, make sure you're logged in. I think that matters... maybe...?

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 02:41 AM

Ebay's redesigns get worse and worse every year...

It's best to just go on eBay, search for an item (simple title search, i.e., "panzer dragoon orta"), select the completed listings option (look right above the first result) and then use the options on the left side to pick whatever option you need (condition, system, etc.).

Also, make sure you're logged in. I think that matters... maybe...?


Ah that's what probably did it. I did everything described above, except logging in. I wouldn't be able to remember my password for ebay for the life of me. It's literally been at least 4 years since I've used the service.

OO didn't notice an option for filtering for condition/system/etc. That's handy to know. Thanks for all the info!