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Poll: What will be your Shepard's main class in Mass Effect 2?

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#121 Bloodbooger

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Posted 31 July 2009 - 12:31 AM

Haha, it looks like a romance novel.

#122 Spybreak9

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Posted 31 July 2009 - 04:25 AM

Do you think the Box Art was affected by now being owned by EA?! It's fine for me but yea I thought they'd go for a something a bit darker.

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#123 Tha Xecutioner

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Posted 23 August 2009 - 11:49 PM

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I updated the OP with multiple videos and pictures that have come out post-E3. There was a bit of a delay between the last two updates (sorry), but if there's anything I'm leaving out just let me know. For the sake of Mass Effect's outstanding storyline, I will not post any videos or information revealing dramatic spoilers (i.e. a new character being revealed is acceptable, multiple endings to the game or "twists" is not) in the OP and would appreciate them not being posted in the responses.

With that being said...god damn this game looks good! 8-)

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#124 cgarb84

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Posted 24 August 2009 - 05:29 PM

This game is looking like its going to be awesome. The only thing that sucks for me is that I played Mass Effect when it launched and by now I have forgotten so much of the story and characters it is insane. I really don't want to play through it again (don't really have the spare time) so I guess maybe my best option will be to just fire it up before ME 2 hits and read through a good part of the index stuff.
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#125 thrustbucket

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Posted 24 August 2009 - 05:34 PM

This game is looking like its going to be awesome. The only thing that sucks for me is that I played Mass Effect when it launched and by now I have forgotten so much of the story and characters it is insane. I really don't want to play through it again (don't really have the spare time) so I guess maybe my best option will be to just fire it up before ME 2 hits and read through a good part of the index stuff.


I've been thinking the exact same thing.

#126 Phunin

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Posted 24 August 2009 - 09:47 PM

Judging from the Kotaku post on this, it looks to be a pretty solid shooter. Much improved from the original, can't wait.

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Posted 24 August 2009 - 10:33 PM

Just check out the game info section: http://masseffect.wi...ass_Effect_Wiki

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#128 Ink.So.Well.

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Posted 27 September 2009 - 03:42 AM

If I didn't know any better I'd say Bethesda got a little Fallout 3 in my Mass Effect and the results are looking quite delicious if I do say so myself.



And no, she doesn't drop the f-bomb every five seconds. Dev's said so. ;P

 

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#129 Tha Xecutioner

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Posted 27 September 2009 - 03:48 AM

Goddamn that is one badass character.

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#130 Ink.So.Well.

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Posted 27 September 2009 - 04:17 AM

Goddamn that is one badass character.


My sentiments exactly though a large majority of Bioware forum posters can't stand her. Apparently to some she's just another example of how the company is "selling out" by catering to a bunch of immature teenagers. :roll:

If I didn't know any better I'd say most of them can't function without having something to constantly complain about. :bomb:

 

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#131 Rei no Otaku

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Posted 27 September 2009 - 04:30 AM

I like the character, but I don't like the character design.

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#132 RelentlessRolento

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Posted 27 September 2009 - 04:40 AM

I honestly dont want my shepherd to Fuck that chick... STD city prob.

#133 Owen

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Posted 27 September 2009 - 04:42 AM

Subject Zero seems like she may have some good lines during the conversations and missions so I know she will be a part of my party my first playthrough.

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Posted 27 September 2009 - 08:11 AM

Niiiiiiiiiicee, man its like the female Wrex haha. Nice tats, would have loved to work on her textures if you know what I mean.

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#135 Tha Xecutioner

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Posted 27 September 2009 - 03:37 PM

My sentiments exactly though a large majority of Bioware forum posters can't stand her. Apparently to some she's just another example of how the company is "selling out" by catering to a bunch of immature teenagers. :roll:

If I didn't know any better I'd say most of them can't function without having something to constantly complain about. :bomb:

The idea that BioWare is "selling out" with the introduction of this character is beyond ridiculous. At one point, I know the marketing team who's responsible for these character videos said "don't just take these characters we show you at face value, because they are much more complex than we can show in a 2 minute video" and I agree with that.

I don't really get the comparison for Subject Zero to some sort of angsty/Hot Topic-style teen - maybe it's because of the pale skin and tattoos? Knowing that she is some sort of ex-biotic prisoner pretty much explains everything we've seen about her character: pale skin (how do you get sun when you're in a cage/cell/laboratory all the time?), tattoos (the somewhat cliche thing for any hard-ass inmate or member of a gang to have), buzzed hair (came from running with gangs - she did say she kept the haircut), and a hard-ass/violent attitude (Kaiden did say in Mass Effect that he had known a bunch of test subjects/prisoners in the past who did not react well with the testing mentally - her personality is probably a repercussion of that).

I don't think BioWare is using Subject Zero for the sole purpose of saying "Our game is edgy", but I do think that it is her role in the 10-person squad to show a little more of this mature/dark tone that we are expecting to see in Mass Effect 2. Out of the 10 person squad lineup, 6 have been revealed so far now
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and they've already shown a great amount of variety with these characters. It also seems like there aren't as many people (at least yet) who are on the border of Paragon/Renegade like in Mass Effect; that they are more polarized in their personalities.

Concerning the large group of BioWare forum posters (and people elsewhere, for that matter) who constantly complain after each character video - I don't pay them any bit of attention. To me, they are just trying to find a reason to not fall into the hype of this game, for one reason or another. That, or they are just scared of sequels.

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#136 Ink.So.Well.

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Posted 27 September 2009 - 05:41 PM

The main issue I have with the boards is most of them come across as smug self-important fanatical fans who take EVERY. LITTLE. THING. literally at face value regardless of what was said by the devs e.g. the Zero situation. One of the devs clearly stated that while some of them might not be pleased with her that she was well written with a league more depth than what was shown in the video... yet all they hear is: "You said we wouldn't like her and you were right! Stop selling out to inbred wrasslin' watching Halo/GoW2 fans! You're alienating your old fanbase!"

It's borderline pathetic.

Dev post: "Hey guys. We've delivered on the darker more Empire Strikes Back sort of feel we were going for in the sequel so help drive it home here are a few vids showcasing some of the Renegade characters you can recruit for the suicide mission."

Typical angry paranoid fan response: "Why it is so one-sided? Where are all the Paragon characters! Why are you showing us one-dimensional cardboard brutish unsophisticated morons!? Why are you blatantly catering to different fan base? It's too dark! I hate it! You're selling out! What is my Paragon Shepard supposed to do? He'd/She'd NEVER recruit those circus animals so why are you FORCING us to now!?"

Or better yet...

Dev post: "We've listened to most of the complaints concerning combat so we took a step back and revamped it. We've taken a few elements from great shooters such as GoW 2 and it definitely has some of that feel to it. We've also added a regenerative health system so check it out. We're really exciting by how great of game this is shaping up to be so watch the video and tell us how feel about it!"

Typical angry paranoid fan response: "Are you mad? How dare you discard your old fan base like useless chaff turning our sacred game from a brilliant RPG with wonky shooter elements into a PURE SHOOTER CATERING TO MORONIC TEENAGERS! What's next? A shotgun that shoots out shotguns!? Where are all the RPG elements you said you were still working on? This video PROVES you were LYING ABOUT THAT TOO, HUH? What about the statistical side!? You can't have an RPG without stats! What's wrong with you morons? Do you understand we know more about creating an award winning game than you? Because you've SELFISHLY decided to add more shooter elements to THIS GAME it is NO LONGER AN RPG ANYMORE. DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND? THEY'VE GOT TO BE SACRIFICING THE STORYLINE BY FOCUSING SO MUCH ON THE SHOOTER ASPECT AND KEEPING EVERYTHING A SECRET SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO HARSHLY CRITICIZE. Don't you understand that people? THIS IS WHERE IT STARTS. Why are you selling out Bioware!?"

Ugh. It's enough to make you want to vomit.

 

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#137 Tha Xecutioner

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Posted 27 September 2009 - 06:22 PM

...Ugh. It's enough to make you want to vomit.

My favorite part (so far) of the fanaticism of these people saying BioWare is selling out is when they say "there's too many Renegade characters revealed". However, when you break down the six characters already revealed/confirmed for Mass Effect 2, you'll see that it's 4-2 in favor of Paragon characters (maybe even 3-3
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As much as I like Tali and the idea of having a merciless Krogan as an ally, already I'm seeing my ideal squad being Renegade Shepard, Thane, and "Subject Zero" 8-)

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#138 Ink.So.Well.

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Posted 27 September 2009 - 06:28 PM

Indeed. The devs did state that Thane is more so in the gray area than the rest of the recruit-able roster. So if anything as of now it is pretty much balanced and yet they still steam over the fact these characters are in the universe they've convinced themselves of knowing so much about despite the fact they aren't working for the company. The same supportive optional cast who's presence alone somehow solidifies Bioware's catering to a less sophisticated audience instead of delivering on the promise of a darker plot in the sequel. Meh.

 

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#139 sendme

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Posted 27 September 2009 - 10:29 PM

That looks like a bad atari 2600 box art. Atleast it reminds me of the box art from the games back then. I have to say I hate it and why is it EA now that is publishing it.

EDIT: That Blood Dragon Armor is it only by preordering that one game or do you think it can be downloaded later or found in game? Also I wonder how good it will be.
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#140 DarkNessBear

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Posted 29 September 2009 - 02:10 AM

Can't wait for this game. ME1 is one of my favorite games of all time. I'm confident that they will do this game right, but I as well have some concern over that new female character. But, it was only a bit and I'm sure she'll have some interesting story.

#141 msdmoney

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 03:26 AM

My sentiments exactly though a large majority of Bioware forum posters can't stand her. Apparently to some she's just another example of how the company is "selling out" by catering to a bunch of immature teenagers. :roll:


I don't post in the Bioware forums, so I'm not familiar with what the average Bioware fan is sayiing. For me the trailer was extremely off putting. I couldn't care less about Bioware "selling out". Bioware is already a hugely popular mass market developer, and there is nothing wrong with that.

I don't really get the comparison for Subject Zero to some sort of angsty/Hot Topic-style teen - maybe it's because of the pale skin and tattoos? Knowing that she is some sort of ex-biotic prisoner pretty much explains everything we've seen about her character: pale skin (how do you get sun when you're in a cage/cell/laboratory all the time?), tattoos (the somewhat cliche thing for any hard-ass inmate or member of a gang to have), buzzed hair (came from running with gangs - she did say she kept the haircut), and a hard-ass/violent attitude (Kaiden did say in Mass Effect that he had known a bunch of test subjects/prisoners in the past who did not react well with the testing mentally - her personality is probably a repercussion of that).


I think you're overstating the look of the character and understating her attitude. I don't care as much about the skin and tattoos, it's the cliched personality that concerns me.

I don't think BioWare is using Subject Zero for the sole purpose of saying "Our game is edgy", but I do think that it is her role in the 10-person squad to show a little more of this mature/dark tone that we are expecting to see in Mass Effect 2. Out of the 10 person squad lineup, 6 have been revealed so far now

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and they've already shown a great amount of variety with these characters. It also seems like there aren't as many people (at least yet) who are on the border of Paragon/Renegade like in Mass Effect; that they are more polarized in their personalities.


But that preview is neither edgy nor mature, if anything it gives the opposite impression. Snarkiness and baditude haven't been edgy since Duke Nukem, and it shouldn't be equated with anything resembling maturity.

Idle Thumbs this week did a pretty good job of summing up my thoughts on the trailer.

#142 Tha Xecutioner

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 05:21 AM

I think you're overstating the look of the character and understating her attitude. I don't care as much about the skin and tattoos, it's the cliched personality that concerns me.

How can I understate something that we have little/no details about? Our understanding of her personality is minuscule at best. That's the problem that was brought up with the references to the BioWare forums - the fact that people are instantly condemning her character based off a one and a half minute video. In reality, it'd take about 10-12 hours of gameplay to figure out her character completely; and by then she could be a completely different person than we make her out to be. Just because she comes into the mix with a "cliched personality" doesn't mean she's really like that. A handful of devs and marketing reps for this game have said over and over that you'd be selling yourself short if you insinuate too much from these videos.

But that preview is neither edgy nor mature, if anything it gives the opposite impression. Snarkiness and baditude haven't been edgy since Duke Nukem, and it shouldn't be equated with anything resembling maturity.

Idle Thumbs this week did a pretty good job of summing up my thoughts on the trailer.

You're comparing a quick glimpse of her personality to every video game in history, when I'm saying that she serves as the edgy role in the Mass Effect universe. Also, by mature I meant that she fits into a category suited for a mature audience - i.e. not kids.

The guys on the Idle Thumbs podcast are the ones who explicitly stated that they are worried about buying Mass Effect 2 now because of that trailer. In other words, one character (out of the ten to choose from, who you don't even have to talk to or play alongside) is actually making them question the entire game as a whole and possibly keeping them from buying it. Failed logic all around.

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#143 msdmoney

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 09:12 PM

Isn't that a cop out from the marketing department then? In general terms you are saying. "here is a preview of our game, but it might not be an accurate representation of our game." They release a preview intended to be a representation of a portion of the game that they are making, but we're supposed to not have any reaction to that? You can't make your message to the public that complicated.

I know what you meant by mature, it frustrates me that the most childish and immature of characters and stories gets labeled mature.

Just to be clear, I haven't dismissed the game entirely, just what I've seen of her character thus far concerns me.

Also I don't think it was just this trailer, when combined with the Dragon Age trailer it seems like either the marketing dept. or Bioware is showing a different direction.

#144 Anexanhume

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 09:40 PM

My sentiments exactly though a large majority of Bioware forum posters can't stand her. Apparently to some she's just another example of how the company is "selling out" by catering to a bunch of immature teenagers. :roll:

If I didn't know any better I'd say most of them can't function without having something to constantly complain about. :bomb:


I'm a member there, but most of the time I can't stand to post because everyone is so damned negative.

#145 Tha Xecutioner

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 10:37 PM

I'm guessing that they knew ahead of time that Subject Zero would elicit such a polar response from everyone, so saying something like "This preview isn't the full picture" would help ease the tension between the two sides of the debate.

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#146 Ink.So.Well.

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 11:00 PM

I'm a member there, but most of the time I can't stand to post because everyone is so damned negative.


Heh! I thought so but I wasn't entirely sure. I'd post there as well (I'd mention my user name but the last thing I want to do is bring some of the type I had mentioned here to whine) but I too rarely post and whenever I do it is usually what most of their community would consider "low brow" or "irrelevant" comments. The collective opinion of their boards was indeed overwhelmingly negative until recently when Zero's introduction vid spawned a whole new legion of new posters labeled as "ultra bioware loyalists" (:roll:) who seem to enjoy giving most of them a hard time to which the naysayers play the victim and beg the mods to swing their ban hammer. Lately browsing through it all has been akin to carrying a wounded soldier through a damn war zone.

Although it's refreshing to see some balance being forcibly injected in the community I can't help but now feel a slight tinge of embarrassment for being a huge fan of this game. Especially after all the ridiculousness I've seen and read from the worst of them because most of the new jacks are just as high strung. Many seem perfectly content remaining absolutely oblivious to just how much of their smug intolerance and superiority complexes are strengthening the most common stereotypes about gamers in general.

It wouldn't surprise me if the company did decide to cater to the mainstream in the future because of the backlash of their hardcore fans and their near unobtainable standards. They don't seem to care or even realize though their opinions are taken into consideration that they won't just up and decide to cut a character in the development stages most of the devs feel is a solid fit for their vision. They just continue to wage war wishing upon star after star that their passionate tirades will ironically prevent what they've already convinced themselves is happening now. Ugh. All of this constant bitching may very well end up ruining it for the rest of us that just want to play great games not meticulously speculate, berate, dictate or otherwise undermine the development of them.

...Meh. If I keep droning on about this I'll end up turning into what I oh so loathe with a passion so I'll just live and let live. Worst comes to worst I have no qualms restricting use of the boards to news and vid updates only.

Anyway... given what we know now concerning the current roster of available characters has anyone figured out who is going to comprise their intergalactic suicide squad?

Better yet is anyone thinking of corrupting their canon Shepard (like I am) in the sequel?

With the introduction of Zero I plan to twist my Paragon into a two timing asshole in hopes of an eventual biotic cat fight between Zero and Liara. Should be hilarious to say the very least. I also plan on de-clawing my ice queen of a Renegade female Shepard into a more tolerable beacon of light and righteousness, haha.

 

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#147 boyward

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Posted 14 October 2009 - 09:44 PM

I'm enjoying the thread! It's a fascinating read. Personally, I think I'll be able to get into any story Bioware comes up with. That doesn't mean I'll like all of the characters they invent (ie. Subject Zero), but that's probably okay because I can just leave her on my ship if I don't enjoy her company.

But I do think that the music that played during the Subject Zero video lends it a certain attitude that might not be present when we're playing the game to Mass Effect's sci-fi soundtrack. So she might fit in better than we think. It's not like when she joins the party they're going to play this punk music or something.

I've converted my Amazon Visa card points into gift cards ($25 x 3) to be used for Mass Effect 2 CE whenever it becomes available. I check Amazon.com every day, but so far, nothing. Oh well, it's still 4 months away, and I'm pretty sure they didn't announce the CE for Dragon Age: Origins any earlier than that. It'll come!

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#148 Woltaire

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 07:44 PM

Release date January 26, 2010. I didn't think I'd see this game released until March, but this is even better news. Can't wait!
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Posted 17 October 2009 - 04:04 AM

Awesome news indeed, I'll be able to hopefully use some GCs from Christmas then lol.

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#150 thrustbucket

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Posted 17 October 2009 - 04:43 PM

I too was expecting March. Man I'm goona be poor.