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#91 Wa-Keen

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 09:54 AM

Wombat, your new microphone sounds excellent! You sound so clear now that you actually sound some what different.


I hope your financial situation gets better soon!

#92 xDARKx Knight

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 10:29 AM

Wombat, your new microphone sounds excellent! You sound so clear now that you actually sound some what different.


I hope your financial situation gets better soon!


Yeh its super clear. I had to turn my iPod down a bit because you was louder. Even with you monitoring you bars :lol:

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#93 Wombat

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 01:32 PM

If you're having trouble with the controls in The Conduit, then you're doing it wrong. I controlled it fine when I played it at PAX.

If you want to complain about controls, you should direct your complaint towards to illegitimacy of the dual stick scheme for shooters. Controls are very, very important. Red Steel and Far Cry: Vengeance, as bad as they were, control better than the best that dual stick has ever produced.

As far as graphics, they dont matter once you get to a mid-cycle PS2 level for 3D, and the SNES for 2D.


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#94 DJSteel

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 01:47 PM

Honestly.. the Wii has been shoveling so much crap to their consumers that even a mediocre game gets a more than positive spin.. because it's not Jenga, Hannah Montana, or Hell's Kitchen. I have some hope for The Conduit, but I'm a realist. If the controls are there and the gameplay is fun, then no matter how the graphics are, I'll buy it and enjoy it... but if the controls suck and/or the gameplay sucks then I will not. I just know that the Wii doesn't look anywhere near the 360 or Ps3 graphically, so I'm not expecting good graphics, I'm expecting fun and a good experience.
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#95 ocelot24

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 01:50 PM

Was it just me or was there some tension between cheapy and wombat at the start of the show

#96 DJSteel

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 02:04 PM

Yeah, it did, but quite frankly, XP sucked until SP 1 as well and turned out to be one of the best OS ever. All Windows OS suck at the beginning and then get better.

It's awesome now and I am glad I'm upgraded.

And Wombat and Cheapy, just to correct you, H.A.W.X. demo comes out this week on PS3.



Windows ME sucked.. and never got any better that is why XP came out quickly.. same with Windows 7, Vista will not get any better.. so Windows 7 is what Vista should have been.
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#97 itachiitachi

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 02:48 PM

If you're having trouble with the controls in The Conduit, then you're doing it wrong. I controlled it fine when I played it at PAX.

If you want to complain about controls, you should direct your complaint towards to illegitimacy of the dual stick scheme for shooters. Controls are very, very important. Red Steel and Far Cry: Vengeance, as bad as they were, control better than the best that dual stick has ever produced.

As far as graphics, they dont matter once you get to a mid-cycle PS2 level for 3D, and the SNES for 2D.


I totally agree with I mostly play PC games and that doesn't stop me from enjoying games of any gen just because the graphics aren't as good. If some one is such a graphics whore, that a game if it came out just 3 years ago people would have gushed over how it looked that's fine.
But to complain about FPS controls on a wii the one place where the wii really shines in gaming. That's like saying nobody would want to date a porn star because they all have small boobs and are so chaste.

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#98 JadedJedi

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 02:53 PM

Every console has problems this generation. Cheapy is right on with the sub-par graphics, weekend diversion comment. I haven't used my Wii in months. The XBox Vista thing I can understand, but its not the friends list problems, for me its the marketplace. It takes minutes to load the link to download a demo of arcade game. It loads all the stupid backgrounds and other crap before the link. The PS3 has its near daily updates that takes forever to install before you can even play a game. This whole generation sucks.
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#99 trip1eX

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 03:10 PM

Hey don't tell Shipwreck that

G.I. JOE™ The Rise of Cobra is coming from EA this summer for the Wii. Or at least make sure he's in a padded room when you tell him.

#100 Wombat

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 03:15 PM

I totally agree with I mostly play PC games and that doesn't stop me from enjoying games of any gen just because the graphics aren't as good. If some one is such a graphics whore, that a game if it came out just 3 years ago people would have gushed over how it looked that's fine.
But to complain about FPS controls on a wii the one place where the wii really shines in gaming. That's like saying nobody would want to date a porn star because they all have small boobs and are so chaste.


I wouldn't want to date a Porn Star because I am not fan of STD's and silicon. Also then why do more people buy FPS' on the PS3/360 then on the Wii?

#101 Xavin

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 03:22 PM

Thanks for another mention! That's 2 in a row! You got my name wrong this time, but that's ok, I forgive you.

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#102 DJSteel

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 03:26 PM

I wouldn't want to date a Porn Star because I am not fan of STD's and silicon. Also then why do more people buy FPS' on the PS3/360 then on the Wii?


most FPS shooters come out for those systems.. there are very few FPS on the Wii... and if they do come out on the Wii they have to change some of the gameplay, but you rarely see FPS being released on all three consoles.. I believe Call of Duty World at War is one of the few.
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#103 Wombat

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 03:32 PM

most FPS shooters come out for those systems.. there are very few FPS on the Wii... and if they do come out on the Wii they have to change some of the gameplay, but you rarely see FPS being released on all three consoles.. I believe Call of Duty World at War is one of the few.


I meant in general, FPS's tend to be the best selling games on the other consoles, but are barley blip on the radar of the Wii. If they are superior, wouldn't pubilshers be making more of them?

#104 shadowrep

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 03:54 PM

Nice work CheapyD also awesome pic XD!

#105 DJSteel

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 04:05 PM

I meant in general, FPS's tend to be the best selling games on the other consoles, but are barley blip on the radar of the Wii. If they are superior, wouldn't pubilshers be making more of them?


the best selling FPS on the 360 and PS3 are console exclusives except Call of Duty, which release World at War on the Wii... the rest like Far Cry 2 and FEAR 2 possible couldn't be done on the Wii because of it's brutality or blood, the developers probably thought since the Wii is more family focused that these games wouldn't sell well on there to begin with.
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#106 Swoxx

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 04:12 PM

I thought it was funny when Wombat said, "It comes with Resident Evil 5, duh!" I direct your attention to the special Halo 360...

Also, regarding the NXE, I don't think it's an issue with the new dash. I think it's problems on the back end. The only time things lag for me are when I'm interacting with LIVE some how. Browsing marketplace content is especially slow for me. I think they need to get the service under control, not make any changes to the interface itself.


I think you're right, im in Europe and i never have any of these lags Cheapy and Wombat are talking about, opening a message never takes longer than 5secs for me

#107 usickenme

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 06:05 PM

I meant in general, FPS's tend to be the best selling games on the other consoles, but are barley blip on the radar of the Wii. If they are superior, wouldn't pubilshers be making more of them?


Superior has nothing to do with it. It's about market.

Tell your wife she is lucky. I know plenty of licensed architects and others in the design field who have been canned or got a pay cut w/o the revised schedule.

Edited by usickenme, 26 February 2009 - 06:16 PM.


#108 Clarke

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 06:41 PM

Counter Strike 1.6 and Quake Live totally ignore the "good graphics" argument.

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#109 Wombat

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 07:11 PM

Counter Strike 1.6 and Quake Live totally ignore the "good graphics" argument.


Arn't they 10 years old and free?

#110 kongfunk

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 07:14 PM

Superior has nothing to do with it. It's about market.

Tell your wife she is lucky. I know plenty of licensed architects and others in the design field who have been canned or got a pay cut w/o the revised schedule.


Sorry about your wife Wombat,

I work for a firm in Philadelphia and every other firm around has had massive layoff's. We get about 10 resumes every day. The only reason were alright is because most of the jobs we have are with the city and we got most of them before everything went to shit.
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#111 ChasersX

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 07:59 PM

I think some of the lag in NXE might be do to the Hard drive. I have a 20 gb drive and when I look up my arcade games it will take about 10 seconds for the Arcade Game section to appear. My friend has the 120 gb drive and his shows up instantly which is weird since he has around 150 arcade games and I have around 30.

#112 serenitygod

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 08:00 PM

For me the show freezes after Cheapy says $400. This s not a joke. I tried pause and play again 10 times and it just repeats either dollars or over $400. What causes that?
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#113 DJSteel

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 08:02 PM

I wonder if formatting your hdd might make it faster...
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#114 retroNutZ

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 08:39 PM

I also wonder how much broadband speed plays a role in the response time. It looks like its still mostly on Microsofts end, but I wouldn't rule out broadband latency as part of the issue.
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#115 HeyMykie

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 08:39 PM

Hey Cheapy & Wombat:

Just wanted to say that your discussion of game pricing, and how companies punish their fans with their desire to suck us dry with lame pre-order bonuses and overpriced DLC.
(Capcom could have easily given people who got the CE all of the extra costumes. so we can have them early, rewarding us for shelling out the extra cash)
But heres and idea, looking at amazon's model, ive been noticing how when a some games come out they the preorder price is a little cheaper. Although on amazon the price is 3 bucks less in most cases.

Just think a AAA game where you go into gamestop and say if you preorder it you only pay 49.99, im sure something like that would definite get fans and others alike to 1 preorder and 2 be rewarded for supporting that companies game, and since the 59.99 is the new industry standard. i doubt later purchasers will even know or care that it people who oreordered got a discount.

#116 DJSteel

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 08:40 PM

i have fios.. and I am able to download fast with my connection but i do have the same issue.
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#117 SeanNOLA

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 09:00 PM

the best selling FPS on the 360 and PS3 are console exclusives except Call of Duty, which release World at War on the Wii... the rest like Far Cry 2 and FEAR 2 possible couldn't be done on the Wii because of it's brutality or blood, the developers probably thought since the Wii is more family focused that these games wouldn't sell well on there to begin with.

We'll see how well MadWorld does before counting blood out of Wii games...

#118 DJSteel

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 09:10 PM

We'll see how well MadWorld does before counting blood out of Wii games...


I hope it does well.
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#119 mrfreeziexp

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 10:55 PM

wow, wombat sounds a LOT better.

I'm so glad Wombat likes Wall-E. I felt kind of weird for liking it so much at my age, I felt a little old for it. I actually bought the DVD for it and I pretty much never do that. I loved Wall-E, I almost cried the first time, but I manned up. It also has some hilarious understated humor that you probably won't catch the first time around.. I now laugh every time I go to Costco because it reminds me so much of Buy-N-Large. Cheapy should definitely watch it... actually everyone should see it at least once.

Edited by mrfreeziexp, 26 February 2009 - 11:08 PM.

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#120 Bug Hunter

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 11:26 PM

I don't know why, but I really enjoyed this episode more than other recent episodes. Good job CheapyD and Wombat. I am also excited for the "Play With Us" night.
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