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#121 Willeth

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 12:45 PM

In response to the discussion about backwards compatibility...

I feel that it depends on the console. The PS2 had a lot of great games worth going back to so the PS3 having BC was defnitely called for. The Xbox not so much. The only game that got played with 360 backwards compatibility was Halo 2 and when Halo 3 came out Halo 2 was essential done.

The way the current generation is going backwards compatibility in a sense will be very important. Not so much with software on disc but with digital content. When Rock Band hits the next generation of consoles what will I do with my current batch of songs that has become a massive investment? Same goes with XBLA games. I don't want this stuff to be totally null and void when the next batch of consoles hit.

I absolutely appreciate backwards compatibility. I bought a 360 after not owning an Xbox, and played through Halo 1 and 2 on it, as well as Psychonauts - games I wouldn't have played if the functionality wasn't there because I had a PS2 the previous generation.

Now that I have a PS3, it really fucking irks me that if I want to play Shadow of the Colossus again or, even worse, play through the MGS series in preparation for MGS4, I have to hook up a whole other system. It always astounds me that they aren't including the feature as standard in either machine - it's super cheap technology.
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#122 ObiBen

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 01:19 PM

Of all the gaming podcasts that I listen to I feel like Cheapy and Wombat are the true voice of the gaming masses. You guys tell it like it is, and that's what keeps me coming back to the CAGcast; that and toilet humor. ; )

#123 Achuba Nanoia

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 01:21 PM

I absolutely appreciate backwards compatibility. I bought a 360 after not owning an Xbox, and played through Halo 1 and 2 on it, as well as Psychonauts - games I wouldn't have played if the functionality wasn't there because I had a PS2 the previous generation.

Now that I have a PS3, it really fucking irks me that if I want to play Shadow of the Colossus again or, even worse, play through the MGS series in preparation for MGS4, I have to hook up a whole other system. It always astounds me that they aren't including the feature as standard in either machine - it's super cheap technology.


I think it's always nice to have backwards compatibility, but that is not a sellpoint for the majority of people IMO. While I did enjoy playing some Gamecube games on my Wii, I bought it for playing Wii games. The same goes to my Xbox 360: I bought for the new games coming out, even though I could play old Xbox games on it, I don't really have the time with the huge amount of games to play.

So, just like Cheapy said, from a business point of view, there's really no reason to put it there, unless it costs nothing to implement. It's almost like buying a Blu-Ray player that has a VHS tape reader with it... sure, some people would appreciate that, but most people wouldn't care. Anyway, just my two cents.
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#124 ajm1240

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 01:54 PM

Man Wombat, can really get all upitty sometimes can't he? "Braid is not Worth $15. Braid is not worth $10." "I don't want to use my brain." "I hate fun." Blah, blah, blah...

What a crotchity young man! By the time Wombat is 40 he will be the Unibomber.
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#125 Tengaport

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 01:59 PM

Hey Cheapy & Wombat,

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I have to agree with Wombat when it comes to games that I'm looking for on my PSP. It's real simple, when I'm traveling I turn to my PSP for home-console-esque experiences on the go, when I'm taking a crap I use my DS for 'stop and plop' gaming. I would most certainly prefer a Resistance type game than Puzzle Quest 12 as Wombat put it.

It's obvious from your conversation though that neither of you have fired up your PSPs in some time. Someone at Sony is paying attention to Apple's success with the iPod and iTunes and slowly trying to follow the example they've set. The PSN store on the PC is now intertwined with Sony's Media Manager software which they do offer a free version of. It's no iTunes yet, but Sony certainly is trying.

There is also the PSP store which you can access directly from the PSP's menu. This is huge for someone like me who travels a lot and doesn't necessarily always have a computer handy. If a new game hits the PSN store I can grab it from any WiFi hotspot. Slowly we are starting to see more and more retail PSP games hitting the PSN store for download as well - Patapon 2 just came out in the UK as both a retail and downloadable version. And running games directly from the memory stick does improve the load times somewhat.

Cheapy, unlike the 360's HDD the memory sticks are now relatively inexpensive, and at least you have a couple of options (Sony Brand, Sandisk).

I want to also call Wombat out on his comment that you can't play games properly because there is only one analog stick. Which games are you referring to? I'd like to hear you name some.

There are plenty of extremely creative developers that have crafted competent controls within the limitations of the PSP. While I do hope Sony includes a second analog nubbin on a PSP2, there are plenty of games for the current PSP that control just fine.

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#126 TimDJ84

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 02:44 PM

Wombat,as per the complaint about the person who was on your team shooting you,well he could have been ranked high enough to have the saboteur class.The only way to tell is that the target will be red instead of green when on the player.I play as the saboteur sometimes but I am more of the engineer/sniper type.

#127 zander1123

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 02:46 PM

Now that I have a PS3, it really fucking irks me that if I want to play Shadow of the Colossus again or, even worse, play through the MGS series in preparation for MGS4, I have to hook up a whole other system. It always astounds me that they aren't including the feature as standard in either machine - it's super cheap technology.


Not only SotC but what about all the people who wait until games are super inexpensive to buy them, this is Cheapassgamer after all. Those people buy some games a generation late and they still might have a current generation console, are they suppose to have 5+ concoles sitting under or around their TVs?
Also what about people with giant backlogs. The Playstation 1 and 2 had a large amount of games that people wanted to play, so many so that it created a super backlog for alot of people. What are the people who are still working through some Playstation 2 games suppose to do?

#128 Xavin

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 02:50 PM

Great show guys! On the ball with this one. That youtube thing is kinda deedeedee, they need to get rid of some of the other shit on there before yours. Oh, and the intro was tizzight.


Man Wombat, can really get all upitty sometimes can't he? "Braid is not Worth $15. Braid is not worth $10." "I don't want to use my brain." "I hate fun." Blah, blah, blah...

What a crotchity young man! By the time Wombat is 40 he will be the Unibomber.

That's all in opinion, I completely agree with Wombat...

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#129 TimDJ84

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 02:50 PM

I have only had once instance when I wished I had BC on my PS3.I bought Persona 4 and it id not work on my PS2,bought another copy and same thing happened.Apparently,for whatever reason,certain PS2 games do not play on the PS2...bunch of shit.

also,a bonus to K2 being on PS3 is that there are not nearly as many kids shouting and complaining.The thing is that parents are more apt to buy their children a $199 machine as oppose to a $399 machine,let alone they would actually know to buy a bluetooth headset for it.Whereas the XBox comes with the headset.That is one plus.

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 03:16 PM

Good malt liquor can run you as much as 20 dollars for a 12 oz bottle.The reason is that Euro imports,as European beer has higher alcohol content,are generally over the alloted 11 percent alcohol allowed in the US for it to still be called beer.If you want some good beer though,try some Chimay,La Fin Du Mond,Delerium Tremens.Broaden your horizons people.Oh and if you live in the STL..Schlaflys is THE true St.Louis beer you are allowed to drink now.I recommend 15,heffeweisen,pale ale. :)

#131 TiE23

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 03:55 PM

Does CheapyD have some sort of awful voice filter going on in this thing? (This is probably the 2nd or 3rd I've listened to.) His voice is god awful deep and annoying. Not sure if I am missing something. Can't even listen to this cast.

lol.... asshole.

#132 waterbil

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 04:23 PM

Hey Cheapy and Wombat,
I think a live podcast at E3 would be a great idea. Kevin Rose and Alex Albrecht from the Diggnation podcast have done live shows for a while now and they seem to be a lot of fun for all. And Cheapy, this could even be the venue for you to launch your mini video segments that you have talked about for a while now. As always I loved the show this week!

#133 JadedJedi

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 04:38 PM

wombat, have you seen watchmen yet? if so, did you like it? why or why not?

See it? He was in it. Great scenes with Morgan Webb there Wombat, great onscreen chemistry. What's that? (checks cast, facepalm) Wombat I think you have a famous twin brother. :D
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#134 Bartex

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 04:47 PM

great show!

CheapyD sorry to hear that ur day got off to a bad start
next time that happens i recommend u(or anyone) goto this site http://www.fmylife.com/
n' read how Fuck'ed other peoples lives are, i'll make u laugh :lol: n' hopefully u'll feel better about ur day :D
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#135 shieryda

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 04:59 PM

Good malt liquor can run you as much as 20 dollars for a 12 oz bottle.The reason is that Euro imports,as European beer has higher alcohol content,are generally over the alloted 11 percent alcohol allowed in the US for it to still be called beer.If you want some good beer though,try some Chimay,La Fin Du Mond,Delerium Tremens.Broaden your horizons people.Oh and if you live in the STL..Schlaflys is THE true St.Louis beer you are allowed to drink now.I recommend 15,heffeweisen,pale ale. :)


Yeah, but you know that's not the type of "malt liquor" that the e-mail question was referring to.

The only way to drink malt liquor is from a 4-0 in a brown paper bag. That's the $1.59 shit that everyone is most familiar with. I prefer OE. :D

Also, props to anyone who does listen to music or podcasts while gaming. I personally cannot do anything else while I'm trying to get through a game. It would just be background noise to me.

#136 Xavin

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 05:29 PM

Re: CheapyD didn't buy RE5 "because it wasn't made by Apple"

http://www.theonion....s_revolutionary
CheapyD is towards the end there (around the 1:36 mark). Funny stuff.

Just messing with ya.

I thought the show was pretty good--not quite as good as the last one, but still entertaining. Props on keeping Jewbeard alive.
One suggestion though: how about trying to do a game segment like you did with "DS game or porno" each episode. (or every couple episodes or something). It changes things up a little bit and keeps things fresh.

LOL that video is amazing, I love ONN.

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#137 shieryda

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 06:15 PM

Jewbeard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> British Wombat/Cosby

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#138 Xavin

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 06:36 PM

Jewbeard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Britsh Wombat/Cosby

Agreed. Vote for Jewbeard!

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#139 PrarieD0G

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 06:54 PM

I dunno, I think Wombat's British voice/impression is hilarious. Especially the way he read Suttner's review of Braid last show... that was one of the funniest things I've heard in a long time.

Edited by PrarieD0G, 13 March 2009 - 07:06 PM.


#140 usickenme

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 07:08 PM

Good show. Wombats undertones of 'I could be fucked' with a painful yet sad reminder of the world in which we find ourselves. Best of luck on keeping the gay job.

Personally, I really liked Indiana Jones 4. I find it funny (and reflective of our religious bias) that people will accept the premise of Raiders and Indy 3 as perfectly okay but somehow “Aliens” are out of line. C’mon.

A thousand year old Knight guarding the cup of Christ- “That’s Cool”
An alien skull –“That’s bullshit”
(for the record there is about the same amount of historical record for both)


also Patcher McDonald’s analogy was dumb and I am surprise you both agreed so much. McDonald’s is as much about convenience and price as comfort. None of that applies to the Wii

#141 triforcer

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 07:29 PM

really loved that tugboat remix you put at the beginning of the show cheapy. play more remixes, i usually come and check the show notes cause of it.
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#142 JPGamer26

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 07:30 PM

I signed up for this site a while back, but have continued to lurk. This is the first CAGcast I have listened to, and now I'm probably going to have a difficult time listening to others. I don't think I have ever laughed so hard listening to a podcast. Keep up the great work guys!

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 07:52 PM

Nicely done and for the record Cheapy if Wombat can't go to E3 I'll volunteer myself to carry your bags and be your assistant

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#144 rogueweapon

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 07:58 PM

good show guys, but Wombat needs to limit his impressions/accents to maybe 1 or 2 a show, he can't even do a good jew accent for Swartz's sake. Hey Cheaps, I didn't know that Gamer Razor was CAG front page news worthy but next time I find a potato chip that looks like pacman, I'll make sure you know about it ;)
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#145 djsilke

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 08:10 PM

i think wombat is a robot.....

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 08:34 PM

I dunno, I think Wombat's British voice/impression is hilarious. Especially the way he read Suttner's review of Braid last show... that was one of the funniest things I've heard in a long time.


Yes, that was the best incident, and I laughed pretty hard, too. Any other time, though, and it gets a little stale. If Wombat brought back Game Developer Theater, or other such segment and used "the voice", then I'd be fine with that.

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 09:02 PM

I'm famous! I got mention! Yay for me!

Might I mention, now that I am slightly more interesting, having been quoted on the Cagcast, that I'm happy that Cheapy never settled on a theme song. Not only do most podcast theme songs suck, but I really look forward to the new song and post-show sample every week. In fact, I'd probably buy a compilation of the songs used. Can you get an affiliate link to the songs for download somewhere?

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#148 ssssss

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 09:42 PM

I find it interesting that Japan marks up games based on popularity, such as Resident Evil 5 being $75-80. Being a CAG, I know I would never purchase a game even in a series I love for $75 retail. Part of being cheap is not supporting mark ups based on principle. I do that good.

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 11:51 PM

The British gaming podcast may be BGB Shout? I don't know for sure though. i know the dude on the show mentioned Cheapy before.
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#150 Achuba Nanoia

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Posted 14 March 2009 - 12:40 AM

I find it interesting that Japan marks up games based on popularity, such as Resident Evil 5 being $75-80. Being a CAG, I know I would never purchase a game even in a series I love for $75 retail. Part of being cheap is not supporting mark ups based on principle. I do that good.


I actually like the idea, even though I would like if "standard" games or new IPs where around $ 30-40, and the popular games $ 60 , as it should be in the first place.
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