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#91 Wombat

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Posted 30 March 2009 - 12:27 PM

For the record I didn't buy the Lobster, and it was split three ways, actually making it less expensive then buying 3 separate 3lb lobsters

#92 Tengaport

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Posted 30 March 2009 - 02:39 PM

Did anyone suggest 'Show us your Twits'? yet?

Great Caddyshack quote, though I'll agree with Wombat - probably not the best ("Hey Whitey! Where's your hat!?!?!" is one of my personal favorites).

Have either of you ever seen Caddyshack on TV? They change the infamous, "Hey everybody, we're all going to get laid!!" line into something that I think is infinitely more offensive...

wait for it...

ready?

"Hey everybody! Lets all take a shower!"

so awesome...

#93 rukasu

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Posted 30 March 2009 - 02:45 PM

I wanted to chime in about the DLC rants of the last two CAGCasts as two of my favorite franchises over the years have been Resident Evil and Metal Gear.

Adding new modes POST-development is nothing new for Capcom or Konami, and hasn't been for the entire lifetime of both series since the original PlayStation.

Pre-DLC, we had to purchase an entirely new disc that would cost between $29.99 all the way up to $59.99 in some cases for either the same content or additional content (VR missions) that one could argue "should have been in the game from day 1".

Examples:
Resident Evil: Director's Cut - Easy / Hard Modes, DualShock enabled, RE2 demo
Resident Evil 2: DualShock Version - Extreme Battle Mode, DualShock enabled
Resident Evil: Code Veronica, PS2 Edition - Nine additional minutes of cutscenes in-game
Resident Evil 4: PS2 / Wii Edition - "Separate Ways" game mode, additional costumes, additional weapon, Easy mode

Metal Gear Solid: VR Missions - training missions
Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance - Boss Survival Mode, Casting Theater Mode, VR Missions, Snake Tales, Skateboarding Mode
Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence - *Metal Gear Online*, original Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 games, 1st-person camera mode

As a fan, I bought them all. I estimate my purchases for the above discs to be at around $250 (I got the limited edition Subsistence), and that is OVER the costs incurred for the initial releases of each game.

Putting that in perspective, I will happily pay $5 and not a $60 re-release in order to get the additional RE5 multiplayer mode. Metal Gear Online on PS2? Minimum cost of entry was $60 as part of Subsistence.


I don't agree with all DLC offerings out there, like Street Fighter IV costume DLC or Horse Armor. However, if you look at Capcom's history with the Resident Evil franchise, they have always been working on added or improved content for each major release in the series since Day 1.

With that, $5 DLC is actually the cheapest way they've *ever* gotten us a new Resident Evil game mode, and judging from the latest delay, I'd say it's probably not done and "on the disc" yet. Even if it is, apparently it's "not ready", and I'm really glad they didn't delay the release of RE5 to accommodate it.


I'll add a question in for good measure. Wombat, are you playing RE5 on PS3 or 360?

#94 Jake Tower

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Posted 30 March 2009 - 07:38 PM

The super search bar doesn't work. I just typed in "cheapyd poop" and nothing comes back.
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#95 Super_Cholo

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 12:49 PM

I heard of the controversy about RE5 along time ago and it still makes me laugh. Ok in the first RE and through all of the rest, you shot many many zombies, correct? Well is it not true then that you would have shot many white, black, asian, mexican and other zombies? In RE4 you shot alot and I mean alot of white people, so where is the complaining there? Shouildn't the white people of the world have united against this abomination of a game since it was racist? There is no racism involved, it's just a game. I didn't hear people complaining that GTA3 was racist as you played an African American character that was you know... ghetto. Wouldn't that have been a little racist in that not all african americans are Gangsters and drug dealers? It is not racist just a game. People just can't leave that alone. Plus 90% or more of those complaining about the game and racism are those who wouldn't pick up a game controller if their life depended on it. People need a reason to b**** and they found their calling that is all.

As for the new trend with DLC, Capcom did what they thought would bring them insane amounts of money. GTA, Fable 2 and all of the others come out with DLC. Some more than others, but they all realized especially with RockBand and Guitar Hero that a little something for 5 or 10 bucks can equal out to enormous revenue. How much has GH made off purchasing new tracks? Capcom knew that people love to play FPS against friends and unknown people, it is a very widely known fact. Who doesn't love to beat someone they don't know and let them know they just got pnwned? So at a typical business stand point sure sell it at $5 bucks make a shit ton of money and call it a day. As long as people continue to purchase it, the will do it. Soon enough, we are going to get moderate games with $5-$10 content turning it into a semi good game. If they really want to dominate there is a better plan, (from someone in sales for the last 20 years) make a game like RE and sell it for $45-$50 bucks, then sell the DLC at $5 or $10. This way the consumer thinks they are getting a deal and is more willing to purchase DLC without as much question. (Sad but true) When the consumer sees a lower price mentally $10 DLC doesn't seem like much anymore.

Go a step further, how many people would purchase a game at $60 like RE? 400000 in the first week translates to $24 mil. (What Capcom recieves is smaller obviously) not all of those people who purchased the game will get the DLC. Say roughly 60% do, that is 240000 rougly translating to around 1.2 mil in revenue. Now what is the game was $45 or $50. You would have sold more copies, standard economics and human nature. Even if they sold 600000 copies at $45 for the game that is $27 mil, more than 60% would purchase the DLC as it doesn't seem like it costs as much now for nothing. (People are gullible) Just simple business goes a long way. Play to the consumer if you want to sell. You can can sell anything and a lot of it if you are willing to play to the consumer.

Edited by Super_Cholo, 31 March 2009 - 01:06 PM.

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#96 jkanownik

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 08:23 PM

Go a step further, how many people would purchase a game at $60 like RE? 400000 in the first week translates to $24 mil. (What Capcom recieves is smaller obviously) not all of those people who purchased the game will get the DLC. Say roughly 60% do, that is 240000 rougly translating to around 1.2 mil in revenue. Now what is the game was $45 or $50. You would have sold more copies, standard economics and human nature. Even if they sold 600000 copies at $45 for the game that is $27 mil, more than 60% would purchase the DLC as it doesn't seem like it costs as much now for nothing. (People are gullible) Just simple business goes a long way. Play to the consumer if you want to sell. You can can sell anything and a lot of it if you are willing to play to the consumer.


The math doesn't quite work out that way. It's not a 1:1 correlation between sales price and gross margin because there are a fixed costs associated with disk production and licensing along with unit variable costs in distribution throughout the chain. If you drop price X% you have to increase sales X + Y% where Y is based on the percentage of X that was fixed. And a 60% tie rate for DLC is way, way too high.

There was a decent aticle in the NY Times yesterday that supports a lot of what I've been saying.

http://www.nytimes.c...0game.html?_r=1
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#97 Super_Cholo

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 09:11 PM

I was never saying that was exactly what they would take home, I was merely pointing out what can be done in that instance and was using an example. But the costs are still fixed variables and the end result still winds up with more money in the long run. A game that is cheaper and yet still good will sell a little bit longer as well. (Not proven)
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#98 kitae

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 02:55 PM

Is this the place for Cag Bag feedback to go? I'll assume it is and post away. This is about you Bioshock 2 concerns.

It's true the Ken Levine does not appear to be involved in Bioshock 2, however many key players from the Bioshock team have moved on to Bioshock 2. Bioshock's producer Alyssa Finley is working on Bioshock 2. The creative director is Jordan Thomas who was in a senior creative role on Bioshock. The lead programmer and lead designer were also in senior roles on Bioshock.

I'm not saying this guarantees Bioshock 2 will be great, but many people tend to look at Bioshock and see only Ken Levine. He was a huge part in it's success no doubt, but he didn't build the game solo, given he's not involved 2k appears to have done everything they can to guarantee as much creativity and experience from Bioshock has been carried over to Bioshock 2.

I've also met Alyssa, Jordan, etc. personally and I can say they really know what they're doing. They're a smart bunch, give them a chance!

#99 Galego23

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 06:58 PM

i can't add this to my iPod for some reason....




#100 Sme11

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 02:57 AM

I remember when I was younger, my mom would always want to get rid of the old chips we had around the house. She would then buy tuna to make tuna chip pizza, a combination of cheese, tuna, chips, and sometimes peas. There were many different flavors of chips interwoven throughout the pizza, making it a delicious suprise. You should try it sometime...

#101 E*Master

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 04:54 AM

Whoever it was that bitched about CAG promoting Marijuana use is a total Cunt and needs to be banned. Neither Cheapy nor Wombat have encuraged this. They have both admitted to previous use. But come on! Encourage? First of all Cheapy and Wombat talk about what they want, when they want. If there is an episode (like when E3 rolls around) Where Cheapy tells a funny story of his ONCE A YEAR pot experience it should be seen as being a form of entertainment and not encouraging. Two, even if Cheapy wanted to smoke more weed and talk about it in Tokyo that would be near impossible due to the far more anal pot laws in Japan than compared to in North America.

The other thing is that this is their show and they can talk about whatever they want in an uncensored manner in the world of fake internet radio. I know I am getting worked up over nothing but I just believe that due to the fact that the CAGcast is published in cyberspace there should be no requirement to censor. If you don't like the pot talk (which is rare) then Fuck off and listen to a religion based (excluding Rastafarian) podcast that I am sure is drug reference free.

Imma go hit my bong just so I can forget about that dick.

FYI Tuna on Pizza kicks ASS!!! In Germany this is very common.

Edited by E*Master, 02 April 2009 - 04:59 AM.
Had to mention the Tuna


#102 Imallvol7

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 06:07 AM

Whoever it was that bitched about CAG promoting Marijuana use is a total Cunt and needs to be banned. Neither Cheapy nor Wombat have encuraged this. They have both admitted to previous use. But come on! Encourage? First of all Cheapy and Wombat talk about what they want, when they want. If there is an episode (like when E3 rolls around) Where Cheapy tells a funny story of his ONCE A YEAR pot experience it should be seen as being a form of entertainment and not encouraging. Two, even if Cheapy wanted to smoke more weed and talk about it in Tokyo that would be near impossible due to the far more anal pot laws in Japan than compared to in North America.

The other thing is that this is their show and they can talk about whatever they want in an uncensored manner in the world of fake internet radio. I know I am getting worked up over nothing but I just believe that due to the fact that the CAGcast is published in cyberspace there should be no requirement to censor. If you don't like the pot talk (which is rare) then Fuck off and listen to a religion based (excluding Rastafarian) podcast that I am sure is drug reference free.

Imma go hit my bong just so I can forget about that dick.

FYI Tuna on Pizza kicks ASS!!! In Germany this is very common.



You sound really intelligent. If you actually listened to the podcast, you would have heard when he talked about it. And what does religion have to do with marijuana? It's not a healthy habit and its also not legal. He doesn't have to stop doing anything he does . . . and I'm not going to stop listening. I also never asked him to censor anything, and he sure doesn't have too. If he didn't agree with me, fine. I really enjoy his podcast. I have as much right as anyone else though to say what I think. Hope to hear more stimulating comments from you in the future.
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#103 Imallvol7

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 06:12 AM

I remember when I was younger, my mom would always want to get rid of the old chips we had around the house. She would then buy tuna to make tuna chip pizza, a combination of cheese, tuna, chips, and sometimes peas. There were many different flavors of chips interwoven throughout the pizza, making it a delicious suprise. You should try it sometime...


I can't even begin to grasp the idea of this pizza. Sounds insane.
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#104 Shady3011

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 10:10 AM

You sound really intelligent. If you actually listened to the podcast, you would have heard when he talked about it. And what does religion have to do with marijuana? It's not a healthy habit and its also not legal. He doesn't have to stop doing anything he does . . . and I'm not going to stop listening. I also never asked him to censor anything, and he sure doesn't have too. If he didn't agree with me, fine. I really enjoy his podcast. I have as much right as anyone else though to say what I think. Hope to hear more stimulating comments from you in the future.


Marijuana is legal in some places you know. As for being harmful, there isn't any real concrete evidence that it's unhealthy. Smoking of any kind has its risk albeit this isn't tobacco we're talking about.

Anyway, I don't think Cheapy advocates its use either explicitly or implicitly. He just likes to smoke a big fat blunt when he comes to LA for E3.

#105 Bojizzle

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 01:44 PM

Hey Cheapy/Wombat. Have you ever considered giving your users a portion of the commission that you receive from links that they post? It wouldn't have to be much, but I think it would provide a higher incentive for users to post on this site first, rather than other sites.

#106 Shady3011

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 04:19 PM

Hey Cheapy/Wombat. Have you ever considered giving your users a portion of the commission that you receive from links that they post? It wouldn't have to be much, but I think it would provide a higher incentive for users to post on this site first, rather than other sites.


I don't see that happening seeing as how that invites a flood of posts in the deal forums. Besides, if it doesn't get posted here first, it'll show up pretty quickly. The same happens the other way around.

#107 serenitygod

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 05:20 PM

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As for the new trend with DLC, Capcom did what they thought would bring them insane amounts of money. GTA, Fable 2 and all of the others come out with DLC. Some more than others, but they all realized especially with RockBand and Guitar Hero that a little something for 5 or 10 bucks can equal out to enormous revenue. How much has GH made off purchasing new tracks? Capcom knew that people love to play FPS against friends and unknown people, it is a very widely known fact. Who doesn't love to beat someone they don't know and let them know they just got pnwned? So at a typical business stand point sure sell it at $5 bucks make a shit ton of money and call it a day. As long as people continue to purchase it, the will do it. Soon enough, we are going to get moderate games with $5-$10 content turning it into a semi good game. If they really want to dominate there is a better plan, (from someone in sales for the last 20 years) make a game like RE and sell it for $45-$50 bucks, then sell the DLC at $5 or $10. This way the consumer thinks they are getting a deal and is more willing to purchase DLC without as much question. (Sad but true) When the consumer sees a lower price mentally $10 DLC doesn't seem like much anymore.
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I disagree with this sad but, true logic. What? If I buy a game as a retail purchasing consumer (I am almost never one) Then I will buy it at $60 for a nextgen game (new). I am assuming this game is complete w/o DLC and stuff (atleast for the nesr future).
However if I buy a game at $50 and then get the DLC for 5-10 then great! $5 would be even less than what I would have paid normally anyway!

Where has my logic gone awry with this? Because I was going to buy it at a higher price incomplete anyway.
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#108 Super_Cholo

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 12:32 AM

It is not about logic, just simple human thought process. It's the same reason you will something for 2.99 before you buy it for 3 even. Just human thinking and gullablilty.
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#109 ryanflucas

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 05:13 AM

I saw a makeup commercial the other day on TV. When they mentioned a "shittake complex" ingredient it made me think of the latest CAGCasts on poop.

#110 Matshelge

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 04:10 PM

Quick post about the DLC issue. (Note, I also work for "one of the big two" publishers, so yea, I cannot see the consumer anymore and all I do is follow The Man™)

Valve and Capcom are on two different platforms with two different issues.

Capcom/Consoles have one major problem: People reselling their game. How they solve this? They charge them a small fee for DLC so that every resold game is not a loss on their part.
Valve however is a PC game maker, and they don't have the reselling problem at all. If you buy a game of steam you can't resell it. The main issue on PC is piracy. They solve this by giving people who buy the game something every now and then that you will not get if you pirate the game.

In a far flung future, where you won't get to play your game online, can't earn achievements, other people won't be able to play with you co-op unless you buy a game first hand, then DLC will not become the horse that needs to pay for all the second hand sales. Maybe then everything will be better.

#111 Thomas96

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 08:24 PM

Marijuana is legal in some places you know. As for being harmful, there isn't any real concrete evidence that it's unhealthy. Smoking of any kind has its risk albeit this isn't tobacco we're talking about.

Anyway, I don't think Cheapy advocates its use either explicitly or implicitly. He just likes to smoke a big fat blunt when he comes to LA for E3.



I never seen anyone overdose from Marijuana. So it can't be that bad.
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#112 dohmai

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 03:43 PM

GOD JAM IT!

i want a new cagcast!!!

#113 KingBroly

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 05:33 AM

Is Cheapy going to talk about the Pizza Guy on the next CAGcast. I read a twitter that says he got back in touch with Cheapy after all these months.
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#114 sikshot80190

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Posted 07 April 2009 - 02:42 AM

Hey all. i am a new listener and instantly loved the show and even though they are out of date, i am listening to even the old shows for pure entertainment. Wombat is super funny but after the purchase of RE5 i found out that Sheva introduces herself as the way that Chris addresses her in the game. i do agree with you, it is very annoying to someones name mispronounced. over all though great show i love every minute of it. keep up the good work. Peace