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#1231 BackInBlack

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 06:31 PM

Yeah i despaired too early there...the mess of wires was so confusing i forgot about the similar 8 pin one, it fits.
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Posted 16 September 2010 - 02:04 PM

Are these 2 sets of RAM one in the same? I had the first set on my build list but the 2nd looks like a good deal right now. Might have to bite.

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820211364
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820211410

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#1233 paz9x

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 03:05 PM

Are these 2 sets of RAM one in the same? I had the first set on my build list but the 2nd looks like a good deal right now. Might have to bite.

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820211364
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820211410


the timings and voltages are different.
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Posted 16 September 2010 - 03:15 PM

the timings and voltages are different.


Ah so the second set uses a bit more juice but has less latency...ok. I was thinking more in the lines of pairing with a motherboard (is there a voltage limit?) but thanks for pointing that out.

Update: So if the board is rated for 1.5v the 2nd choice might not run right considering it's 1.55-1.75v?

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#1235 JustYourAverageJoe

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 03:41 PM

I've just finished a custom build and I'm having some problems that I can't easily diagnose. If anyone has any ideas, I'd be extremely grateful.

Basically, after replacing a bad set of RAM that caused a whole slew of weird problems, I now have random reboots. I can't seem to tie it to anything specific, except perhaps time, but it can do it after five hours or five minutes. It even rebooted once while inside BIOS. Another problem that occurred only after the bad RAM was removed, but has not happened again, was the system failing to turn on at all. The fans would twitch but fail to to spin when nothing else powered on, and then nothing happened with subsequent presses. It didn't fix itself until I moved the power plug from the wall outlet to the power strip plugged into a different outlet in the same outlet group.

It's been utterly perplexing because of the sheer randomness making it hard to diagnose. Running some stress tests to force a higher energy draw through the PSU didn't show any problems, and no reboots occurred in the 30-60 minutes I was able to use my buddy's PSU to power it, but as it can go longer than that between reboots, it's inconclusive.

I'm starting to reach wit's end here, as it's been over a week of nothing but problems, and nothing seems to help. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. So far the candidates seem to be either the PSU or mobo, but again, I can't think of a way to find out for sure that's feasible at the moment. And to make matters worse, the window for RMAs closes in a week or two, so I have to act fast.

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#1236 kilm

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 03:58 AM

I'm starting to reach wit's end here, as it's been over a week of nothing but problems, and nothing seems to help. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. So far the candidates seem to be either the PSU or mobo, but again, I can't think of a way to find out for sure that's feasible at the moment. And to make matters worse, the window for RMAs closes in a week or two, so I have to act fast.


It's really hard to say if you can't isolate your parts. ESD, maybe? You're going to have to find some extra computer parts to make sure everything works as it should, or just take everything apart, and put it all back together again and hope it works.

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 04:38 AM

Ok, so playing FFXIV has me wanting to upgrade my computer. I'm running a little laggy and asking around it doesn't seem like its everyone. Just my computer.

Ran a test on Can you run it(I'm not too smart on computer specs but I trust the site) and it says i should upgrade my Processor and Graphics card.

Now is it easy to install these and get the right compatible models or take it to someone and pay em to install it?

I've been looking at tutorials and they look really easy.

#1238 kilm

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 04:41 AM

Now is it easy to install these and get the right compatible models or take it to someone and pay em to install it?

I've been looking at tutorials and they look really easy.


Pretty easy as long as you know you have compatible parts. Know what precautions to take like making sure you're grounded, super simple stuff.

#1239 iRent

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 05:41 AM

Ok, so playing FFXIV has me wanting to upgrade my computer. I'm running a little laggy and asking around it doesn't seem like its everyone. Just my computer.

Ran a test on Can you run it(I'm not too smart on computer specs but I trust the site) and it says i should upgrade my Processor and Graphics card.

Now is it easy to install these and get the right compatible models or take it to someone and pay em to install it?

I've been looking at tutorials and they look really easy.


Finished my first build from scratch and installing the cpu was scary at first but it dropped right in. The heatsink + fan was easy as well (AM3). The pins are a lot more study than they make them out to be. Though I can see how trying to fix a bent pin would be a nightmare. A graphics card is just as easy as installing another pci card. Anyway, ran into some snags. with my build. Found a bad stick of RAM. I thought it was sure to work seeing as the ram is from Corsair. Being paranoid I took off the HSF a third time and the thermal compound smeared everywhere...I'm anal about those things and might have to clean it up and replace it with some artic silver. Though I may just wait until January when I plan on buying an aftermarket cooler.
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Posted 23 September 2010 - 11:52 AM

Finished my first build from scratch and installing the cpu was scary at first but it dropped right in. The heatsink + fan was easy as well (AM3). The pins are a lot more study than they make them out to be. Though I can see how trying to fix a bent pin would be a nightmare. A graphics card is just as easy as installing another pci card. Anyway, ran into some snags. with my build. Found a bad stick of RAM. I thought it was sure to work seeing as the ram is from Corsair. Being paranoid I took off the HSF a third time and the thermal compound smeared everywhere...I'm anal about those things and might have to clean it up and replace it with some artic silver. Though I may just wait until January when I plan on buying an aftermarket cooler.


Which AMD processor did you get? The fan that came with my Phenom II x4 gets ridiculously loud. I constantly have to go into control center and bring it down because its running between 5000 and 6000 rpms.

#1241 JustYourAverageJoe

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 07:18 PM

Ok, so playing FFXIV has me wanting to upgrade my computer. I'm running a little laggy and asking around it doesn't seem like its everyone. Just my computer.

Ran a test on Can you run it(I'm not too smart on computer specs but I trust the site) and it says i should upgrade my Processor and Graphics card.

Now is it easy to install these and get the right compatible models or take it to someone and pay em to install it?

I've been looking at tutorials and they look really easy.

Try running their benchmark program for FFXIV, if you haven't. It'll give you an idea of where your system is at right now, anyways, in terms of how well it can run the game. The score you get at the end classifies the strength of your computer at running the game into different tiers.

Also, make sure the processor you get either works with the motherboard you have now, or get a new motherboard that is compatible with whatever processor you get.

It's really hard to say if you can't isolate your parts. ESD, maybe? You're going to have to find some extra computer parts to make sure everything works as it should, or just take everything apart, and put it all back together again and hope it works.


After going into the BIOS and checking the voltages, it seems it was a bad undervolt from the PSU (it dipped as low as 10.97 on the 12v rail when I was watching), so it's being RMA'd. Hopefully that solves it.

#1242 iRent

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 07:05 AM

Which AMD processor did you get? The fan that came with my Phenom II x4 gets ridiculously loud. I constantly have to go into control center and bring it down because its running between 5000 and 6000 rpms.


I got the 955 (C3 stepping). My fan varies from 3100 to 4100 RPM. Though it idles in the high 30s low 40s. Might just buy an aftermarket cooler sooner rather than later after all. I'll check my mobo settings. I'll post more tomorrow afternoon when I get home.
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Posted 27 September 2010 - 07:31 PM

im thinking of upgrading my core 2 duo to a core 2 quad so that i dont have to upgrade my mobo. thoughts? toms hardware benchmarks look like its pretty comparable to i5/i7, but i dunno if its worth the $200 upgrade or if i should just hold off and do a full system rebuild in another year or so. my current build was done in apil 09.

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#1244 kilm

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 08:42 PM

im thinking of upgrading my core 2 duo to a core 2 quad so that i dont have to upgrade my mobo. thoughts? toms hardware benchmarks look like its pretty comparable to i5/i7, but i dunno if its worth the $200 upgrade or if i should just hold off and do a full system rebuild in another year or so. my current build was done in apil 09.


hold off for sure.

#1245 iRent

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 08:59 PM

im thinking of upgrading my core 2 duo to a core 2 quad so that i dont have to upgrade my mobo. thoughts? toms hardware benchmarks look like its pretty comparable to i5/i7, but i dunno if its worth the $200 upgrade or if i should just hold off and do a full system rebuild in another year or so. my current build was done in apil 09.


hold off for sure.


I would hold off as well. They're about change sockets if I'm not mistaken. Intel is going to replace the 1366 in 2011 and AM3 -> AM3+

Also AMD's 6000 series video cards are just on the horizon as well.
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#1246 ZForce915

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 10:11 PM

I'm still about 2-3 months from building my PC but wanted to get one of hard drives bought so I could get the media I wanted to stream to my xbox on it. So I bought the 1TB WD 1TWD1002FAEX from newegg because the PC I have now has many open SATA ports.

Problem is, I don't have any open SATA power connectors. I bought a molex to SATA connector, but I was thinking I'm going to miss out on the 7200 speed of my new drive if I use that....so my question is should I use the molex connector with the HD running the OS or with my new drive?

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Wow, I was over thinking this A LOT. It's a damn power cable, there are no transfer speed issues there.

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 09:27 AM

I'm still about 2-3 months from building my PC but wanted to get one of hard drives bought so I could get the media I wanted to stream to my xbox on it. So I bought the 1TB WD 1TWD1002FAEX from newegg because the PC I have now has many open SATA ports.

Problem is, I don't have any open SATA power connectors. I bought a molex to SATA connector, but I was thinking I'm going to miss out on the 7200 speed of my new drive if I use that....so my question is should I use the molex connector with the HD running the OS or with my new drive?

*edit*

Wow, I was over thinking this A LOT. It's a damn power cable, there are no transfer speed issues there.


Be sure to check the drive for bad sectors. I just bought a 1tb WD drive last week from Newegg for my new build, and after everything was put together and installed, I started downloading a large file on uTorrent and it gave me an error. The error indicated a bad hdd and I did a full scan with WD's software from their site and apparently it had unrecoverable bad sectors. I'm RMAing the drive now, but it sucks that I have to wait longer to use my new build.

I'd recommend checking it out, just to save you heartache later if it's bad.

And I realize I didn't post my new build here, so here it is:

Intel Core i5-760
MSI GTX 460 1GB factory overclocked
ASUS P7P55D EVO LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard
LITE-ON Black 4X Blu-ray Reader
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM
LG DVD Burner
COOLER MASTER HAF 922 case

And I know I have "too much ram" and probably should have spent more on graphics, but the power supply and motherboard I have can handle SLI, so I have the option of adding a second card in the future if I choose to (If I can find that model, of course.) But I'm not playing much other than MMOs like WoW and hopefully SW:TOR if it doesn't suck, and Source engine games like TF2 and L4D, so unless some stupidly awesome new game comes out, I probably won't need it.
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#1248 ZForce915

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 01:17 PM

Which WD drive did you buy? Green, Blue or Black?
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#1249 JasonTerminator

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 06:26 PM

Which WD drive did you buy? Green, Blue or Black?


Black
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#1250 ZForce915

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 12:35 AM

Hmm, I did too. I'll keep my eyes peeled for errors. Good thing is that it looks like bad drives seem to fail quickly so you'll know if you need to replace it.
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Posted 29 September 2010 - 06:58 AM

So... How good of a PC will about $1k get me? I'm seriously considering just getting rid of my Laptop since I never really use it outside of the house. The only games I play are Starcraft II and that's it :P. I would like to handle SCII on Ultra Settings, but High would be good enough. Maybe if I get a decent setup, I'll start using Steam more often.

#1252 kilm

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 07:08 AM

So... How good of a PC will about $1k get me? I'm seriously considering just getting rid of my Laptop since I never really use it outside of the house. The only games I play are Starcraft II and that's it :P. I would like to handle SCII on Ultra Settings, but High would be good enough. Maybe if I get a decent setup, I'll start using Steam more often.


1000 dollar computer and you will run SC2 on Ultra with little problems

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 07:19 AM

1000 dollar computer and you will run SC2 on Ultra with little problems



Sounds promising :). Makes me regret spending so much money on a laptop that can't even run SCII on Medium settings. I guess I'll be talking to my friend tomorrow about building me a PC.

So... I used the $800 suggestion in the OP to add most of the stuff to my cart.

Here's what I got so far:

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Would you guys upgrade anything out of this stuff? Am I missing anything that I should have or would want in the near future?

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 09:10 AM

I've been thinking of building a new rig, want to use microATX tower, something like Thermaltake SD200.
So what's the most powerful low-profile graphics card available now in the market? AFAIK it's 5750 for AMD and GTS450 for Nvidia, but maybe I'm missing something?
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#1255 Snuckles

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 12:20 PM

Ok, Can someone suggest a processor and motherboard combo for me? Around $150 for both if possible. :( If not then I could probably save up but I'd prefer to do this now to run this game proper. I have a 500 watt power supply if you need to know that. if you need to know anything else ask. My graphics card is Nvidia Geforce 9500. DDR2

I don't know what else anyone'd need to know. Thanks if you can help.

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 04:04 PM

Sounds promising :). Makes me regret spending so much money on a laptop that can't even run SCII on Medium settings. I guess I'll be talking to my friend tomorrow about building me a PC.

So... I used the $800 suggestion in the OP to add most of the stuff to my cart.

Here's what I got so far:

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Would you guys upgrade anything out of this stuff? Am I missing anything that I should have or would want in the near future?


Its a good system, but I'd recommend just a couple changes:

1) At the prices 1TB hard drives are going for, you might as well go with one for your build. Right now newegg has a combo deal with that power supply where you can get the 1TB version of that Samsung drive without adding anything to your overall cost.

2) I'd go just a slight step up on the motherboard and get one with SATA 3.0 like this one. This way you're left with a little more upgrade room in the future.

3) The 5770 would be fine as a video card, but you can get a bit more bang for your buck with the GTX 460 right now. And it just so happens that there's a nice combo deal for one with the motherboard I recommended above.

The only other thing I might recommend, though it isn't absolutely necessary would be SSD for a boot drive. Something to install Windows on and your most commonly used/accessed programs on. You can get by without one, but it would make your system feel a bit quicker and more responsive in general use. A 60GB drive like this would be fine.


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Posted 29 September 2010 - 08:00 PM

Thanks boss :). Price only went up about $13 with your suggestions. Now, I just have to talk to a friend of mine so he can build it for me.

#1258 kilm

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 08:03 PM

Thanks boss :). Price only went up about $13 with your suggestions. Now, I just have to talk to a friend of mine so he can build it for me.


do a bit of sweet talking and get him to pay it for you, too

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 09:00 PM

do a bit of sweet talking and get him to pay it for you, too


I'm planning on paying my friend to build it for me, so yeah, Fuck off? That's what he does working at MicroCenter so I know what he's doing. It's better than me going in blindly and following guides.

#1260 kilm

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 09:16 PM

I'm planning on paying my friend to build it for me, so yeah, Fuck off? That's what he does working at MicroCenter so I know what he's doing. It's better than me going in blindly and following guides.


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