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#5041 detectiveconan16

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 10:23 AM

The House GOP is ready to repeal Obamacare, and the deadly part about it is that there's no alternatives. Nothing. So horray suffering Americans, you get your Constitution protected.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 01:43 PM

The thing is, they know they have to try and repeal as quickly as possible, because once it takes effect and people start taking advantage of it, public opinion will change. Medicare was unpopular too, and yet just ask anyone covered by it today if they'd rather do without it. All the furor over this will die down once it really takes effect, then the republicans will move onto the next boogeyman.
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Posted 12 July 2012 - 12:24 PM

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#5044 mykevermin

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 12:39 PM

"both sides" is a falsehood.
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#5045 UncleBob

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 01:07 PM

Myke is right there.

The Daily Show painted this perfect about a year ago.

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Washington Politics is like Professional Wrestling. They pretend there are "good guys" and "bad guys" - and they put on the show for us - but at the end of the day both "sides" are out drinking, celebrating and planning together... all while we cheer on our favorites. In reality, there is no "both sides".

It's no surprise that research has shown a correlation between the lesser-informed folks on the political spectrum favor sports like NASCAR and Pro Wrestling. voter turnout and what sports they favor. (*edited*)

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 05:01 PM

At what point is enough enough. They have had about 700 debates about this and lost everyone of them. That went to the supreme court and they lost there too.


Losing is what losers do. You don't want the Republicans to stop doing what they are best at, do you?

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 05:49 PM

I admit, I'm rather shocked that Pro Wrestling is left and NHL is right... I would think they're more or less correct vertically but they should be swapped horizontally.
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Posted 12 July 2012 - 06:11 PM

Not really surprised by the golf placement. Then again, I watch and play golf myself.
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Posted 15 September 2012 - 12:58 AM

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 01:15 AM

Not really surprised by the golf placement. Then again, I watch and play golf myself.


Considering the other women's sports, I'm surprised by the LPGA placement.
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#5051 detectiveconan16

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 11:41 PM

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Gotta love Tennesee's new innovative plan to save money on Medicaid that won't affect the state budget.  It was a chance for poor and elderly residents to call a hotline like one does for tickets to a concert.  And once you're one of the 25,000, you get to fill out a form and wait.


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Posted 08 June 2013 - 01:14 AM

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Gotta love Tennesee's new innovative plan to save money on Medicaid that won't affect the state budget.  It was a chance for poor and elderly residents to call a hotline like one does for tickets to a concert.  And once you're one of the 25,000, you get to fill out a form and wait.

 

The irony here is that there were the same people who back in '09 or so were screaming about how Obama wanted to ration out healthcare.



#5053 detectiveconan16

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 10:58 AM

Well, this is a country that has people voting against their own best interests.  That new Purge movie is about killing off the poor and sick one day out of the year, and I think the reviewers said that it was the poor majority that voted for it or something.


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Posted 08 June 2013 - 11:44 AM

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Gotta love Tennesee's new innovative plan to save money on Medicaid that won't affect the state budget.  It was a chance for poor and elderly residents to call a hotline like one does for tickets to a concert.  And once you're one of the 25,000, you get to fill out a form and wait.

This is a bit misleading. Doesn't the gov't contribution drop to 90% after the first year? And with the debt at record levels, this contribution will probably be cut more and more as the QE money dries up. So perhaps the states are looking to not increase their already strained budgets by agreeing to new, bloated gov't programs. I did like how the obese lady was complaining about her healthcare costs. I guess she was just unlucky that the diabetes fairy chose her....



#5055 mrsilkunderwear

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Posted 09 June 2013 - 02:33 AM

How about we just get the government out of the healthcare business altogether? I bet that would drive the costs down. 



#5056 detectiveconan16

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Posted 09 June 2013 - 11:26 AM


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#5057 mrsilkunderwear

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Posted 09 June 2013 - 10:44 PM

Ha..Ha.. Your serious? Ok let me laugh harder. 

 

“Likewise, supporters of Obamacare are willfully ignorant of basic economics. The fundamental problem with health care costs in America is that the doctor-patient relationship has been profoundly altered by third party interference. Third parties, either government agencies themselves or nominally private insurance companies virtually forced upon us by government policies, have not only destroyed doctor-patient confidentiality. They also inescapably drive up costs because basic market disciplines — supply and demand, price sensitivity, and profit signals — are destroyed … Obamacare, via its insurance mandate, is more of the same misdiagnosis.”



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Posted 13 June 2013 - 10:11 PM

 

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Gotta love Tennesee's new innovative plan to save money on Medicaid that won't affect the state budget.  It was a chance for poor and elderly residents to call a hotline like one does for tickets to a concert.  And once you're one of the 25,000, you get to fill out a form and wait.

This is a bit misleading. Doesn't the gov't contribution drop to 90% after the first year? And with the debt at record levels, this contribution will probably be cut more and more as the QE money dries up. So perhaps the states are looking to not increase their already strained budgets by agreeing to new, bloated gov't programs. I did like how the obese lady was complaining about her healthcare costs. I guess she was just unlucky that the diabetes fairy chose her....

 

Federal government contribution goes to 90% in 2020;

The final expansions of FMAPs are 100 percent for 2014–2016, 95 percent for 2017, 94 percent for 2018, 93 percent for 2019, and 90 percent for 2020 and thereafter.



#5059 mrsilkunderwear

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 09:29 PM

Doctor dumps health insurance plans, charges patients less. 
http://www.breitbart...614-232724-6523

 

And people say they need the government to make it affordable. :D



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 01:35 AM

hey my health insurance company is playing stupid or something 

 

so in  2014

are the only choices 

 

YOU GET IT FROM YOUR JOB 

OR YOU BUY IT FROM THE    government

 

or can you still buy your own plans  


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 01:56 AM

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"Saying the goal is to implement reform in “a careful, thoughtful manner”, assistant Treasury secretary Mark Mazur said the administration would spend the extra year finding ways to simplify the process."

 

Maybe they shouldn't have forced this down our throats. Maybe having people who actually read and understood the whole Act before voting on it would have been a more "careful, thoughtful manner”....



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Posted 03 July 2013 - 04:32 AM

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"Saying the goal is to implement reform in “a careful, thoughtful manner”, assistant Treasury secretary Mark Mazur said the administration would spend the extra year finding ways to simplify the process."

 

Maybe they shouldn't have forced this down our throats. Maybe having people who actually read and understood the whole Act before voting on it would have been a more "careful, thoughtful manner”....

No dude. Trust Obama, he knows best when it comes to healthcare. I heard he went to Harvard.



#5063 Msut77

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 02:17 AM

forcing stuff down throats is code for "i dont like legislation i was told not to like".


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Posted 04 July 2013 - 12:11 PM

forcing stuff down throats is code for "i dont like legislation i was told not to like".

Nahhhh, its actually code for dislike of legislation that gives the gov't more power and control over personal freedom while being Constitutionally unsound, passed with the buying of votes for pork and exclusions on the law,  is unpopular with a majority of Americans, is so complicated and misunderstood by even the Democrats that Pelosi said "We gotta pass it to see what's in it" (paraphrased), and last, but not least,.....legislation that Obama swore was not a tax on national TV, but was then argued as a tax by his legal team in order to be upheld by the Supreme Court.



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Posted 04 July 2013 - 04:39 PM

I wish I could have seen you guys in 2001. Something tells me you are railing against Obamacare way more than Georgie's legendary assault on personal freedom.

 

I don't think Obamacare is a home run. I also don't have a debilitating preexisting condition.


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Posted 04 July 2013 - 07:29 PM

I wish I could have seen you guys in 2001. Something tells me you are railing against Obamacare way more than Georgie's legendary assault on personal freedom.

 

I don't think Obamacare is a home run. I also don't have a debilitating preexisting condition.

Willardhaven what you keep missing is that many of us dislike Bush just as much as we dislike Obama. Please do not put us in the same group as Neo-Cons who want to destroy personal freedoms and launch a bunch of nukes into middle east. We actually want peace and prosperity.



#5067 UncleBob

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 08:41 PM

I wish I could have seen you guys in 2001. Something tells me you are railing against Obamacare way more than Georgie's legendary assault on personal freedom.
 
I don't think Obamacare is a home run. I also don't have a debilitating preexisting condition.


Not to mention, a lot of folks here were probably a lot younger and totally unaware of what was going on at the time. That was 12 years ago. Also, mostly everyone was swept up in "AMERCUH, HELL YEAH" atmosphere...

It would be fun to let you interview some of my friends/co-workers from that time period. Considering I was one of the very few people I personally knew who was against the invasion of Afghanistan and was totally confused by the outrage at the Dixie Chicks.
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Posted 21 September 2013 - 05:38 AM

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 03:12 PM

Doctor dumps health insurance plans, charges patients less. 
http://www.breitbart...614-232724-6523

 

And people say they need the government to make it affordable. :D

 

Not to put to fine a point on it, but at a salary of $200,000, this is clearly a doctor who actually got into the business for the sake of helping people. 

 

The rest, I bet, are perfectly willing to go through paperwork to get more money.

 

I don't know if Obamacare will work, parts of it I read seem like they could inspire worse behavior on the parts of doctors/hospitals/employers, but at the same time, that doesn't mean I think the system up until now is so great either. I always remember the example of Glenn Beck: When he was suffering, "the system is terrible. I've been left waiting for xxx hours." When he was fine: "we have the best system in the world."

 

Since I doubt it will get repealed, I have to hope that Obamacare, whether it works or not, motivates the system as a whole to become more efficient down the line. This may involve turmoil, mistakes, and periods of suffering, but that's part and parcel of the learning process and I don't think that's avoidable when trying to change an institution.

 

Hopefully, it'll work out like the seatbelt (and not the airbag). At first, mandating it was expensive and people were offended.("You don't trust my driving?") But now, we're dying at the same rates as before, but driving 3-4x faster. This is an improvement in every way. We spend less time getting to places, and more time actually doing something productive. (I am aware of more pedestrian injuries. I have minimal sympathy for them. Ever watch the numbnuts cross the street as slowly as possible, checking their phones, not looking both ways, just assuming cars will stop? This is Darwin's Law in action. They grew up coddled by school-buses with built in stop signs. I say: 2-ton object moving at high speeds and a driver who may not be paying attention: learn to respect physics.) 



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Posted 28 September 2013 - 06:10 PM

Well lets just say no one likes change and without change things don't get fixed.

Those not willing to change usually become non-existent. From business to politics we can't continue to run America like it s 1930,40,50 or 60.

Change happens every day from birth of a child, new job, loss of job, death and more. We adapt and move on. Things are obviously broken and what pisses me off more than anything our government parties spend so much time lobbying for political status for the next election.