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CAGcast #163: The White Video Game Podcast Xperience - Red Faction Edition


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#61 Thomas96

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 12:16 AM

Personally, I think what was so funny about it was why is it a "black college football experience." Like, whats so different about this game than any other football game... that theirs black people? I really don't think black college football (what is that... an all black people football league? Does that even exist?) is any different than any other college football. I live in Canada and I never heard of a "full black guy college football league".

It could have been

"The white college football experience"

and I would still be wondering, wtf?



Their is a website called thefifthquarter.com which explains what the BCE is all about. Basically, the BCE game is about football w/ HBCU schools but there's also a heavy emphasis on the Marching band aspect. Because with black college football.. most of the time people are going to see the bands battle, so this football game is a basic football game but with an emphasis on Marching bands (from HBCU schools).
I was excited about the game, because w/ the EA games, they totally miss that aspect of the games, especially for HBCU schools. On EA's college football game, what's FAMU, just a school w/ a low rating. But if you watch FAMU's halftime show, you'll know why people enjoy that moreso than the football game.








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Posted 19 June 2009 - 01:22 AM

Their is a website called thefifthquarter.com which explains what the BCE is all about. Basically, the BCE game is about football w/ HBCU schools but there's also a heavy emphasis on the Marching band aspect. Because with black college football.. most of the time people are going to see the bands battle, so this football game is a basic football game but with an emphasis on Marching bands (from HBCU schools).
I was excited about the game, because w/ the EA games, they totally miss that aspect of the games, especially for HBCU schools. On EA's college football game, what's FAMU, just a school w/ a low rating. But if you watch FAMU's halftime show, you'll know why people enjoy that moreso than the football game.








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i give you props for showing some examples of what that black college football experience is like but i doubt it will phase him. he'll just make another goofy ass drumline reference and maybe give a halfassed apology. im gonna check this game out though if it has a solid football game in it im there. i hope they give you the option to see the full marching band performances and if a college has more than one thatd be cool to see too. is it on ps3?

#63 Thomas96

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 01:41 AM

i give you props for showing some examples of what that black college football experience is like but i doubt it will phase him. he'll just make another goofy ass drumline reference and maybe give a halfassed apology. im gonna check this game out though if it has a solid football game in it im there. i hope they give you the option to see the full marching band performances and if a college has more than one thatd be cool to see too. is it on ps3?


he don't owe me an apology. I just want people to understand what the game is trying to represent.


acutally on second thought... he can throw one of the marching band songs on for the intro music and we'll call it even. lol
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Posted 19 June 2009 - 02:19 AM

What's with all the hate on Cheapy and his weed smoking? I think that Cheapy and Wombat going off-topic is part of what makes the show so fun. If I wanted a straight news podcast without any humor I wouldn't be getting it from a site with "ass" in the URL.

Also I agree with Wombat on PS Home. I only go there by accident when trying for the PS Store and always let out a loud curse. I think Sony put the Home launch icon where they did in order to get extra "users" from accidental clicks.

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 02:45 AM

Their is a website called thefifthquarter.com which explains what the BCE is all about. Basically, the BCE game is about football w/ HBCU schools but there's also a heavy emphasis on the Marching band aspect. Because with black college football.. most of the time people are going to see the bands battle, so this football game is a basic football game but with an emphasis on Marching bands (from HBCU schools).


:O, well thanks for taking time to explain it, I guess I see the difference now. I didn't even know that existed since I'm not a big football fan besides watching the Superbowl.

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 02:50 AM

Great CAGcast Wombat and Cheapy. I fully understand your Red Faction Guerrilla obsession, since I've been playing it constantly since I picked it up. Just finished it too. I hope you enjoy the final mission.

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#67 Thomas96

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 03:05 AM

:O, well thanks for taking time to explain it, I guess I see the difference now. I didn't even know that existed since I'm not a big football fan besides watching the Superbowl.


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Posted 19 June 2009 - 05:04 AM

Good show, guys! The last few, IMO, have been hit-or-miss, but this one was definitely a hit.

Wombat:

If you make an iPhone game, I'll support you and buy it.


as long as it's good and cheap.



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Posted 19 June 2009 - 06:10 AM

Great show, guys and I wanted to further clarify my CagBag comment.

Taking into account how the Rock Band platform works I think the DLC for Abbey Road will work with Beatles: Rock Band and the other games, but non-Beatles DLC will not work with Beatles, since it wouldn't make much sense for John, Paul, George, and Ringo to play Evanescence, for example.

I do hope the DLC for Rock Band works with Lego Rock Band, though. Seeing a bunch of Lego people play "Strickened" or "Screaming for Vengeance" would be awesome!
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Posted 19 June 2009 - 06:10 AM

Great CAGcast guys! When Wombat said he wanted to use a rocket dog in Scribblenauts, I almost had a shit story of my own.

Don't forget about the moving story next week.

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 06:19 AM

Taking into account how the Rock Band platform works I think the DLC for Abbey Road will work with Beatles: Rock Band and the other games....

Ben Gilbert from Joystiq sent this to me after listening to the show:
The Beatles: Rock Band DLC not compatible with other Rock Band games

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 07:58 AM

Great podcast.

#73 panurge

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 08:38 AM

Their is a website called thefifthquarter.com which explains what the BCE is all about. Basically, the BCE game is about football w/ HBCU schools but there's also a heavy emphasis on the Marching band aspect. Because with black college football.. most of the time people are going to see the bands battle, so this football game is a basic football game but with an emphasis on Marching bands (from HBCU schools).
I was excited about the game, because w/ the EA games, they totally miss that aspect of the games, especially for HBCU schools. On EA's college football game, what's FAMU, just a school w/ a low rating. But if you watch FAMU's halftime show, you'll know why people enjoy that moreso than the football game.


Interesting post and clips, thanks. After watching those and the Vice documentary I conclude that North Korea would own BCE football if they entered a team.

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 11:31 AM

I want to play Honkey Jew College Football Experience, where at half time you try to devour a 10 pound Lobster and Smoke a fat bag of weed.
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Posted 19 June 2009 - 12:12 PM

So if the 360 has more good cheap games then the PS3, why is Halo 3 still $60? Why is Gears 2 still $60? You draw the comparison of LBP and Fable 2 and that's an odd comparison as you have a platformer and an RPG (2 completely different genres). Also keep in mind that LBP's price is like 30 (or was for a while) in Europe. When you see a price cut from Sony, it's mainly been from SCEE. Then let's not forget about those quality "add-ons" they both try to shove down our throats. The price point at retail is definitely deceiving.

And as for Uncharted and Heavenly Sword, I can't find them in stores anywhere so the price point about them is pretty pointless as far as I'm concerned.
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#76 shieryda

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 12:52 PM

Hey Wombat,

I'm a little disappointed that you didn't mention me (Shyreese) when you were talking about your 1 Vs. 100 party last Saturday. I was there, too, man!

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 01:02 PM

So if the 360 has more good cheap games then the PS3, why is Halo 3 still $60? Why is Gears 2 still $60? You draw the comparison of LBP and Fable 2 and that's an odd comparison as you have a platformer and an RPG (2 completely different genres). Also keep in mind that LBP's price is like 30 (or was for a while) in Europe. When you see a price cut from Sony, it's mainly been from SCEE. Then let's not forget about those quality "add-ons" they both try to shove down our throats. The price point at retail is definitely deceiving.

And as for Uncharted and Heavenly Sword, I can't find them in stores anywhere so the price point about them is pretty pointless as far as I'm concerned.


Halo 3 is 39.99 http://www.gamestop....roduct_id=63851.

LBP & Fable 2 were released around the same and were both big exclusive holiday titles, from a retail standpoint I would say the comparison is quite valid.

What game has more paid content Gears 2, Fable or LBP?

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 01:15 PM

I get a kick out of listners who complain about the, lets call them bodily function references. I mean, what podcast do they think they are listening to? That's part of the CAGCast deal. Frankly, this is the only video game podcast that is a must listen for me. Some podcasts seem forced in their occasional silliness, but here its just part of the ride. Pus, with two diaper changing dads, you'd expect #2 is a big part of their day.
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Posted 19 June 2009 - 01:18 PM

So if the 360 has more good cheap games then the PS3, why is Halo 3 still $60? Why is Gears 2 still $60? You draw the comparison of LBP and Fable 2 and that's an odd comparison as you have a platformer and an RPG (2 completely different genres). Also keep in mind that LBP's price is like 30 (or was for a while) in Europe. When you see a price cut from Sony, it's mainly been from SCEE. Then let's not forget about those quality "add-ons" they both try to shove down our throats. The price point at retail is definitely deceiving.

And as for Uncharted and Heavenly Sword, I can't find them in stores anywhere so the price point about them is pretty pointless as far as I'm concerned.


Actually, Halo 3 retails for $40 now. Gears of War 2 still retails for $60, but has been on sale for $40 or less at major retailers numerous times since its release last fall. It's just the facts of life that Xbox 360 exclusives get cheaper much quicker than PlayStation 3 exclusives.

The reason you don't see Uncharted and Heavenly Sword much at retail is because they haven't had price drops. Retailers are not going to place orders for 2 year old games with MSRPs of $60 that are not likely to sell as fast as new releases. Both can still be found on Amazon for $57 though.

And if you want to compare platformer to platformer, maybe a Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts to LittleBigPlanet comparison is more one to one. Banjo came out at $20 less than LBP, and now retails for $30 (although it is often on sale for $20). LBP still retails for $60, but Amazon currently has it on sale for $48.
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Posted 19 June 2009 - 01:45 PM

Any talk about PS3 sales figures reminds me of the fact that the PS3/game attach rate is much lower than the 360. I suspect that the PS3 audience is a hybrid of the Wii and 360 buyers. You have some gamers, and some regular consumers buying it for family use (BR and gaming). I know that most of the non-gamer folks I know who buy a PS3 do so for the BR capability first and foremost.

It's great to sell a lot of hardware when it's profitable (like Nintendo). The success of more advanced money losing hardware (like the PS3 and 360) depends on selling software. Which could at least partially explain Sony's record losses for last year.

Oh, and let me hark back to Cagcasts of yore and call the Cagcast with ChD, Wom, and Nelson the DREAMCAST. It was that good. Not that most every Cagcast with ChD and Wom aren't good. Nelson just made it even gooder.

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 02:28 PM

I want to play Honkey Jew College Football Experience, where at half time you try to devour a 10 pound Lobster and Smoke a fat bag of weed.


and holding up the hotdog vendor complaining about 10 cents.

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 02:51 PM

Actually, Halo 3 retails for $40 now. Gears of War 2 still retails for $60, but has been on sale for $40 or less at major retailers numerous times since its release last fall. It's just the facts of life that Xbox 360 exclusives get cheaper much quicker than PlayStation 3 exclusives.

The reason you don't see Uncharted and Heavenly Sword much at retail is because they haven't had price drops. Retailers are not going to place orders for 2 year old games with MSRPs of $60 that are not likely to sell as fast as new releases. Both can still be found on Amazon for $57 though.

And if you want to compare platformer to platformer, maybe a Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts to LittleBigPlanet comparison is more one to one. Banjo came out at $20 less than LBP, and now retails for $30 (although it is often on sale for $20). LBP still retails for $60, but Amazon currently has it on sale for $48.


The way to do the comparison Ship is in comparing cross-platform games. I always figured it was because the install base is lower on the PS3, and the BluRay disks are more expensive to manufacture. For example Red Faction, more expensive on PS3, and COD World and War, more expensive on PS3. There are other examples. Occasionally, you will see the reverse, where lets say Major League Baseball 2k9 is discounted on the PS3, but that's because there is no other baseball game other than 2k9 on the 360. Or where a game comes out on the PS3 first as an exclusive and then the 360 (but I'm not sure there are many of those - one can't come to mind offhand).
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#83 LiK

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 03:12 PM

Cheapy, I'm not really sure why people are so overly critical of what stories you want to talk about. The CAGcast has always been good because you guys want to talk about what you want to talk about. I like hearing your crazy stories and personal drama. That's what makes your show fun to listen to. The haters just don't understand what makes your show unique.

Wombat, sucks to hear your basement became a stoage room for crap. You gonna keep all that stuff or just toss them? I don't see why you need to keep them if you don't want to.

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 03:14 PM

And if you want to compare platformer to platformer, maybe a Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts to LittleBigPlanet comparison is more one to one. Banjo came out at $20 less than LBP, and now retails for $30 (although it is often on sale for $20). LBP still retails for $60, but Amazon currently has it on sale for $48.


That's a much better comparison, but I'll argue that pretty much every Rare game on 360 has had a quick price cut due to poor sales.

And yes, I know why retailers don't carry full priced games beyond a certain unless they sell, but if you can't find it at retail it basically like it doesn't exist. And I don't buy games from Amazon unless I can get a really good deal on it.

As for Halo 3, stores in my area still have it at $59.99 (2 Targets, Wal-Mart Supercenter and a Best Buy), so that's clearly their problem to make me think it was still full price.
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#85 Wolfkin

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 04:32 PM

Any talk about PS3 sales figures reminds me of the fact that the PS3/game attach rate is much lower than the 360.

i haven't watched the numbers(and responses) in a long time because i didn't and still don't care but i was under the impression that the PS3 had lower sales but a HIGHER attach rate. isn't that what Sony is always bragging about all the time how a) sales are increasing X% and attach rate is higher than other consoles?

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#86 lokizz

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 05:07 PM

Actually, Halo 3 retails for $40 now. Gears of War 2 still retails for $60, but has been on sale for $40 or less at major retailers numerous times since its release last fall. It's just the facts of life that Xbox 360 exclusives get cheaper much quicker than PlayStation 3 exclusives.

The reason you don't see Uncharted and Heavenly Sword much at retail is because they haven't had price drops. Retailers are not going to place orders for 2 year old games with MSRPs of $60 that are not likely to sell as fast as new releases. Both can still be found on Amazon for $57 though.

And if you want to compare platformer to platformer, maybe a Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts to LittleBigPlanet comparison is more one to one. Banjo came out at $20 less than LBP, and now retails for $30 (although it is often on sale for $20). LBP still retails for $60, but Amazon currently has it on sale for $48.


theres a reason why banjo kazooie started out so cheap and ended up selling even cheaper sooner than many games............ a number of the game comparisons made on the show do seem kind of off. hell even the ds has games that are still selling at a high price point considering the time theyve been out and id assume the wii has some too. as far as alot of that goes its kind of irrelevant since if you look around you can find deals on many of those games at diff times if you do the research.

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 09:19 PM

Much better show this week.

I hear you guys talking so much about Red Faction, but you haven't even mentioned the multiplayer yet. I think it's even better than the single player. I've also noticed a trend upward of people playing Red Faction on my friends list. I think THQ may have a surprise hit on their hands.

Volition has quietly become one of the better developers of this generation.

#88 basston3s

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 10:00 PM

Loved the Bill O’Reilly ending. It was my first time hearing that. Man, that dude is a douche. Enjoyable CAGCast all around!

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 11:14 PM

Another great show! I was hearing this on my ipod in a restaurant and when Wombat said "Mario Cock", I laugh so hard almost everybody was starring at me.

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 11:39 PM

I'm confused as to why Wombat thinks not being able to go inside of buildings in Infamous is a big deal. What could you possibly want to do inside of a building that the lack of it makes it not fun?

Infamous sold as well as a game without much hype can do, which is only worse than four other games in May on an off year for sales. Killzone 2's US sales I can see some disappointment in since it was hyped greatly for four years or so.

Good show.