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#2371 chuckie88

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 11:26 PM

As much as a Michigan fan such as myself hates it, it was good for the Wolverines that N.Dame got the victory. Especially in the BCS era, you just have to hope that any team that beats your team wins all of their games. Of course it would have been better just to beat N.Dame to begin with but that obviously didn't happen.
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 12:35 AM

BCS Rankings are out...

Ducks got jumped by Florida for the #2 spot due to the bye week.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 01:28 AM

First BCS rankings of the season:
(undefeated teams in italics)
  • Alabama 6-0
  • Florida 6-0
  • Oregon 6-0
  • K.State 6-0
  • N.Dame 6-0
  • LSU 6-1
  • S.Carolina 6-1
  • Oregon St. 5-0
  • Oklahoma 4-1
  • USC 5-1
  • Georgia 5-1
  • Miss. St. 6-0
  • W.Viginia 5-1
  • Florida St. 6-1
  • Rutgers 6-0
  • Louisville 6-0
  • Texas Tech 5-1
  • Texas A&M 5-1
  • Clemson 5-1
  • Stanford 4-2
  • Cincinnati 5-0
  • Boise St. 5-1
  • TCU 5-1
  • Iowa St. 4-2
  • Texas 4-2
Interesting to see how it shook out sans Ohio St., although they can still play quite the spoiler for other Big 10 teams. I also found it interesting how Rutgers placed 4 spots higher here than in the AP poll. Since the whole system rides on the BCS, this is the only ranking system I tend to pay attention to from here on out.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 01:28 AM

That's actually an insane thing to say. Did the refs blow the call? Yes, you even say it yourself. Was Stanford then wrongly denied the chance to win the game? Yes. Every team in every game has a million chances to win or close out a game, but those points in time are moot. This one particular call on this one particular play cost Stanford the chance to win the game.


I misspoke. You're right, I shouldn't have said Stanford was denied THE chance to win, it would have been more accurate to say they were denied A chance to win. The call denied them of A single opportunity to win the game but they had THE chance to win the game all day.


Just like in the Bush Push. The non-call denied Notre Dame that final chance to win but they could have ended the thing a couple plays earlier on 4th down.
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 01:51 AM

I was just looking over the BCS in more detail to see how Iowa St. ended up at 24. Answer? The computer ranking was showing the Cyclones some love as they placed 31st and 35th in the Harris and Coaches polls.

The computers top 5? Glad you asked, our silcon friend(s) rank them as follows; 1)Florida, 2)N.Dame, 3)Alabama, 4)Kansas St., and 5)Oregon St.
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 01:55 AM

I misspoke. You're right, I shouldn't have said Stanford was denied THE chance to win, it would have been more accurate to say they were denied A chance to win. The call denied them of A single opportunity to win the game but they had THE chance to win the game all day.


Just like in the Bush Push. The non-call denied Notre Dame that final chance to win but they could have ended the thing a couple plays earlier on 4th down.


Ultimately, it comes down to officials altering the outcome of games. As I said earlier, both teams had the opportunity to go up 50 pts and not go into an OT, but they didn't and went into OT. Both teams played as good of a football game as they were able to against each other but the finish was cheapened by officials changing the possibility of a different outcome.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 02:11 AM

As much as a Michigan fan such as myself hates it, it was good for the Wolverines that N.Dame got the victory. Especially in the BCS era, you just have to hope that any team that beats your team wins all of their games. Of course it would have been better just to beat N.Dame to begin with but that obviously didn't happen.


Same here. I've been hoping that Michigan and Michigan State would continue to win for strength of schedule reasons. I hope the Irish don't overlook BYU. As well as they're paying right now Oklahoma scares the heck out of me. I think a vertical passing team like that could really expose our young secondary if their line protects Landry Jones and we can't get a solid pass rush. That loss to Kansas State seems to have woken them up (or Texas was just way overrated).
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 02:50 AM

First BCS rankings of the season:
Interesting to see how it shook out sans Ohio St., although they can still play quite the spoiler for other Big 10 teams. I also found it interesting how Rutgers placed 4 spots higher here than in the AP poll. Since the whole system rides on the BCS, this is the only ranking system I tend to pay attention to from here on out.

Wow the Big 12 bias is high. Texas gets hammered by Oklahoma and gets into the BCS ranking when all other polls have them not ranked. Iowa St is ranked... so laughable.

ACC teams dropped 6 spots in the BCS from their AP/Coaches/Harris/USA poll counterparts. 0s listed in most computer polls. You have to be joking me.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 03:17 AM

Wow the Big 12 bias is high. Texas gets hammered by Oklahoma and gets into the BCS ranking when all other polls have them not ranked. Iowa St is ranked... so laughable.

ACC teams dropped 6 spots in the BCS from their AP/Coaches/Harris/USA poll counterparts. 0s listed in most computer polls. You have to be joking me.


Are you arguing that math and numbers are biased?
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 03:54 AM

Are you arguing that math and numbers are biased?

How are those numbers determined?

I leave it like this... Take the Colley. The Colley poll would give Notre Dame the #1 spot. Oregon is #7 in this poll. Do you really believe Oregon is the number 7 team in the country with the scores they run up on teams? Oregon State is ranked #4; in other words, the Colley believes Oregon State is a better team than Oregon. Do you think any coach or sports analyst would make that bet? No way they would. Fun Fact: Western Kentucky is #23 in the Colley. Yes, they according to the Colley is the #23 team in the country. That is laughable.

Do you see the bias?

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 04:28 AM

...I've been hoping that Michigan and Michigan State would continue to win for strength of schedule reasons...

The Wolverines are doing their best to give you your wish. They crushed Purdue and Illinois (44-13,45-0) since losing to N.Dame by 7. It's amazing what Robinson can do when not throwing 5 interceptions and losing a fumble!:roll:

...Big 12 bias is high. Texas gets hammered by Oklahoma and gets into the BCS ranking when all other polls have them not ranked. Iowa St is ranked...

ACC teams dropped 6 spots in the BCS from their AP/Coaches/Harris/USA poll counterparts. 0s listed in most computer polls...

Some of the Big 12 stuff should start to work itself out when K.State plays W.Virginia and N.Dame plays Oklahoma. The high opinion will be supported or challenged then. The ACC's best hope for redemption is for FSU and/or Clemson to start thumping on teams as it doesn't appear that V.Tech will be up to doing it this year.


The conference that looks really bad in this first BCS is the Big 10. Unless Michigan can keep winning and beat OSU at season's end, the conferenece will continue to look bad. This is especially true in the Leaders half where Wisconsin looks to have the inside track to winning the division. The top 2 teams on that side (OSU,PSU) can't play in the post season and the other 3 teams are at .500 or lower and winless in the confrence. Sheesh!:headache:
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 04:46 AM

How are those numbers determined?

I leave it like this... Take the Colley. The Colley poll would give Notre Dame the #1 spot. Oregon is #7 in this poll. Do you really believe Oregon is the number 7 team in the country with the scores they run up on teams? Oregon State is ranked #4; in other words, the Colley believes Oregon State is a better team than Oregon. Do you think any coach or sports analyst would make that bet? No way they would. Fun Fact: Western Kentucky is #23 in the Colley. Yes, they according to the Colley is the #23 team in the country. That is laughable.

Do you see the bias?


Your complaint is that you find the formulas flawed or specifically, one formula -- which is why they average them and drop the outliers for each team. There are plenty of sports people that are looking forward to the Oregon-Oregon State game because they think Oregon State has a good chance to beat Oregon this year. Oregon State's strength of schedule is also much better than Oregon's; it's much easier to run up a score on a bad team than a good team.

What's truly laughable to me is trying to claim that 6 different formulas are all biased to make a certain conference look better than they are.
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 01:32 PM

Yeah, there's no bias. Just different forumulas that give more and less weight to different factors. It's also that the BCS isn't that great until all games are played (same with RPI for college basketball). You get goofy stuff mid season as some teams have hard schedules early on, and easy ones later on and vice versa. It sorts itself out for the most part by the end of the season other than not really being useful for distinguishing between equal record teams at the top (which is the most important part). But there's usually no one or two team grossly over or underanked in the final one like there is in the first few.

Also, the Big 12 isn't over rated. It's the second best league to he SEC, and will be a lot of year with the teams they have. Not really any dead weight programs in there other than Kansas, and even they were in the Orange Bowl a few years back and Weis may get them turned around.

And no bias against the ACC, it's sucked for pretty much the entire millennium. FSU has been down, Miami has been down every since joining. VT had been the saving grace, but now they suck this year too. Beyond those teams, just some ok second tier type programs like Clemson and GT and a bunch of basketball schools. It will always be the weakest major conference and isn't going to put a team in the 4 team playoff very often.

Especially since they took two basketball schools (Pitt, Syracuse) in the latest expansion, when they could have taken teams like WVU, Louisville, Cincy etc. from the Big East that would have brought both good basketball and improved the football side of the league.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 11:40 PM

Yeah, there's no bias. Just different forumulas that give more and less weight to different factors. It's also that the BCS isn't that great until all games are played (same with RPI for college basketball). You get goofy stuff mid season as some teams have hard schedules early on, and easy ones later on and vice versa. It sorts itself out for the most part by the end of the season other than not really being useful for distinguishing between equal record teams at the top (which is the most important part). But there's usually no one or two team grossly over or underanked in the final one like there is in the first few.

No bias? How are they determining strength of schedule? How do they determine what is an upset? Note only one of the 6 formulas have been exposed. Do you ever wonder why? Ever wonder why they have such differences from each other; in example look at LSU?

- Anderson&Hester - Western Kentucky is #25. Another poll that thinks Oregon State is better than Oregon.
- Billingsly - Michigan is #20. Clemson is 5 pts/spots higher than FSU, the team that beat them.
- Massey - Western Kentucky is #22. Texas Tech is #7. Have you seen their schedule to this point: 2 AA schools, New Mexico (a perennial I-A bottom feeder), and was slaughtered by Oklahoma (who was #17 at the time).
- Sagarin - According to them, Florida has 2 Top 10 wins... Last I checked they only have beat LSU. Everyone else is currently unranked (EDIT: Texas A&M is #20 for a short time; next week Welcome to the SEC) that they have played. Again, no bias???

Western Kentucky will be lucky to be selected for a bowl; let alone be competitive in it. They were shutout by Bama and won by 5 against Troy last weekend. This is the BCS computer polls Top 25 team.

Also, the Big 12 isn't over rated. It's the second best league to he SEC, and will be a lot of year with the teams they have. Not really any dead weight programs in there other than Kansas, and even they were in the Orange Bowl a few years back and Weis may get them turned around.

Sure it is. It is the Xbox 360 shootout league. Most games are blowouts i.e. non-entertaining games. Take last weekend for instance. Texas Tech manhandled West Virginia. Oklahoma beat Texas like a redheaded stepchild. TCU woodsheded Baylor. When the Big 12 teams can actually compete against each other, then can they even be considered a good conference.

There are only two good conferences this year. The SEC at the top. Then Pac 12 based on their OOC wins.

And no bias against the ACC, it's sucked for pretty much the entire millennium. FSU has been down, Miami has been down every since joining. VT had been the saving grace, but now they suck this year too. Beyond those teams, just some ok second tier type programs like Clemson and GT and a bunch of basketball schools. It will always be the weakest major conference and isn't going to put a team in the 4 team playoff very often.

It is easy to call FSU down since they went undefeated most seasons during the 90s while knocking off Florida and Miami (both dominant programs, i.e. Top 5, then). Something most programs will NEVER achieve. Guess what... they really aren't down. Take their bowls... Last year, they beat Notre Dame. Where are they this year? The year prior, they took out Lattimore (a guy who ran 200+ yards on Georgia that year). Where is he and his team today? The year prior to that, they convincely beat West Virginia (who had Geno Smith). Where were they just at? 2 Years straight beating Florida. Where are they today? Sure that is being down. ;)

As for the rest of the ACC... Clemson is a good team. Sammy Watkins is a top 5 pick. Clemson beat Auburn by 7. LSU beat Auburn by 2. Oh I forgot the BCS doesn't use Margin of Victory. Next would be NC State, a next tier team. Beyond that, a bunch of misfits. I am not denying that. Miami and UNC have had sanctions. GT and VT have hugely disappointed. Maryland shot themselves in the foot when the fired Ralph Friedgen.

Especially since they took two basketball schools (Pitt, Syracuse) in the latest expansion, when they could have taken teams like WVU, Louisville, Cincy etc. from the Big East that would have brought both good basketball and improved the football side of the league.

West Virginia did not fall in line with the academics of the ACC. Pitt and Syracuse do.
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 11:50 PM

Your complaint is that you find the formulas flawed or specifically, one formula -- which is why they average them and drop the outliers for each team. There are plenty of sports people that are looking forward to the Oregon-Oregon State game because they think Oregon State has a good chance to beat Oregon this year. Oregon State's strength of schedule is also much better than Oregon's; it's much easier to run up a score on a bad team than a good team.

What's truly laughable to me is trying to claim that 6 different formulas are all biased to make a certain conference look better than they are.

Oregon State up to this point has for the most part won by a score to currently unranked teams. Oregon State beat Arizona by 3. Oregon beat Arizona by 49. Oh there I go with the Margin of Victory again (which the BCS does not recognize)...

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:27 AM

Human polls (as varied as they can be) still count for two thirds of the BCS rankings. The human polls are still the deciding factor on the rankings. Case in point, the final 2007 BCS rankings saw V.Tech ranked #1 by the computers. Still, it was LSU vs Ohio St. in the title game because of the human opinion.

Human beings also create and implement the various computer formulas. The computer's also change what team ranks where as more data is input into their various formulas. The later BCS rankings from the computers tend to be a more accurate representation of what their formula is looking for.

With regards to if it is a biased system, of course it is. Any ranking system based on human opinions will be, despite all efforts. This is however only the first BCS publication, there's still a long way to go and a lot can (and probably will) change. No use getting too invested in or worked up about it now.
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#2387 dmaul1114

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:59 AM

All I meant is there is no bias toward any particular team or conference in the computer rankings. They are just formula based. Each is weighted differently, some give goofy rankings sometime, but there's not targeted bias.

And yes, no margin of victory in there as they didn't want to give coaches any incentive to run up the scores.

I think they should include margin of victory, but just cap it at say 20+ point wins to get bonus points so you don't get any extreme cases of running up the score.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 10:56 PM

I agree with you, I don't feel as if there is some kind of specific targeted bias. I am alright with there being no incentive for margin of vitory also as the score inflation could get out of control. It will be interesting to see how the BCS finishes up its last two years (this season and next). Hopefully, no real disaster matchups!
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Posted 19 October 2012 - 06:24 PM

This week's ranked match ups:

#7 South Carolina @ #2 Florida
#4 K State @ #12 WVU
#6 LSU # #18 Texas A&M
#17 Texas Tech @ #23 TCU

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 07:36 PM

I feel that Florida needs to have a strong showing against S.Carolina in order to remain as highly regarded as they are, Oregon walked all over Arizona St. Although the K.State vs W.Virginia game has lost a bit of its luster, I think that the Mountaineer's potential firepower gives them a puncher's chance in any game.
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#2391 dmaul1114

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 07:40 PM

Yeah, it's still a big game.

Win and WVU is still pretty much in control of their own destiny for the Big 12 title (other than needing Texas Tech to lose again). And K-State is still in the national title hunt if they win--and would be in good shape having already beaten Oklahoma.

Hope WVU can bounce back. Being home should help the offense get their mojo back hopefully. Defense just sucks--but K State is a run first team and our run defense has been mostly ok. It's our pass defense that's god awful. So if we can put up some points, I like our chances.

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 07:49 PM

Of course, I'll be heading off to a local watering hole to watch my Wolverines host the Spartans. One thing about the stupid Big 10 Network is it gives me an excuse to watch a game at a sports bar at least once per season!:lol:
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Posted 20 October 2012 - 08:46 PM

"IT'S A TRAP!"

Just what I was afraid of. Notre Dame finds themselves right in the middle of a trap game.

14-7 BYU.
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Posted 20 October 2012 - 11:54 PM

Well N.Dame pulled it out after all as did LSU over Texas A&M. Texas Tech beat TCU in triple OT in a game with as many points as 3 normal football games. Florida crushed S.Carolina and K.State is up 10 zip in the 2nd quarter on W.Virginia.

Best news for me though? Michigan beats Michigan St. on a field goal with 5 seconds left! Go Blue!:applause:
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 12:07 AM

It's crazy that TCU hung 53 on Texas Tech with their backup QB after WVU could only manage 14 points with the supposed Heisman winner.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 12:11 AM

WVU sucking again. Don't know that we beat anyone left on the schedule other than Kansas with our offense now stagnant and the defense still MIA.

And as soon as I post that we get a 100 yard kick off return for a td. Maybe that will get the momentum turned around.

Nope. Shitty D lets them go right down the field for a td before half. I'm dome watching this crap.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 12:57 AM

Hopefully K State will get some respect now.
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 12:59 AM

Whew! Notre Dame pulled it out! Wow, I was hoping Kansas State would win but my gosh I never expected a romp! This is why I was so frustrated with everyone awarding Smith with the Heisman after the Baylor game. There was still a lot of football to be played and some big conference opponents to face.
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 01:27 AM

Hopefully K State will get some respect now.

No offense to Dmaul but West Virginia's defense might be the worse defense in NCAA. In other words, midmajors have better defenses. Kansas State scoring on every drive was kind of expected, esp since they are in the top 4.

Man halftime can't come sooner in my game. Our offense/special teams are looking like crap.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 02:10 AM

Just a few more losses and Beamer will have to fire the offensive coaches. I just hope he hires a coordinator that's worth a damn.