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#31 stk i wvu

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 04:44 PM

Wombat's most recent tweet was wondering why Shipwreck was mad at him... hmmm maybe because he is too insecure to let another guy (who knows more than he does about video games) on a podcast

Really? That's pretty petty, and I would of course expect nothing less from a doucher who went to Pitt. Weak sauce, let Shipwreck on the show.

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 05:05 PM

Cheapy....

When talking about Ty's cost for container -- Nice Chris Rock reference in the movie "I'm Gonna Get you sucka!"

"Pour it in my hand for a dime."

Was waiting for the line, " Got change for a hundred?"
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Posted 15 October 2009 - 05:08 PM

I got DJ Hero on preorder from toysrus and it didnt get canceled yet. Even got an email from Toysrus saying they are going to fulfill order in the future.
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#34 chocoblock

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 05:44 PM

I find the cast much better when shipwreck is on the air.

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#35 omnilaw

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 05:49 PM

Physical Media versus Direct Downloads

There is a time and place for everything. In the beginning of this generation I remember quotes saying, “Blu-Ray isn’t needed and everything is going Digital.” This sounded crazy then and now those same people wouldn’t even repeat those words without shame. Physical media is necessary to deliver a High Level HD Video and Audio experience when it comes to Games and Movies. Both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD have proven that.

In terms of Gaming The PS3 has pushed the envelope with titles such as Metal Gear Solid 4, MLB The Show, Uncharted 1 & 2, Resistance 1 & 2, and Killzone 2 to name a few. Unfortunately Internet download speeds are not fast enough or widely available to warrant a mass adoption of Direct Download of all types of media, High Definition Video and Audio in particular. Direct Download/Digital Distribution is ideal for Handheld Devices and impulse media, when you’re not looking for the complete AV experience, and you’re just looking to get the content. IPods have shown that when you are on the go, you don’t want to carry a portion of your library of media with physical discs, instead you want to take just the device and your media should be already on it and ready to go.


Digital Downloads aren’t good for Retailers

My Concern is not for retailers especially with regards to used game sales, since gamers get the short end of the stick as well as developers and publishers. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional. The only thing that the used games market has created is a stronger push for digital downloads, because game companies want to avoid getting shut out or losing money by the success of the used game market.

• Gamer trades in used game and gets less than 50% what he paid for it!
• Used Game is then sold for 5% less than a new copy!

I don’t see how anyone can see this as a benefit for anyone other than that game store. Gamers might save $5 bucks but you’re losing $30 or more of what you initially paid. People always complain about innovation in games and they wonder why so many development studios go under, one large factor is the Used Games Market.


Retailers seem to be fine with IPods, what makes the Go Different?

If retailers have issues with the PSPGo, why are there no issues with the IPod since it’s exactly the same product type? Retailers sell the hardware and only have accessories to sell with it or iTunes cards. Retailers have put themselves into this situation, the original PSP wasn’t getting pushed and even before the Go it was hidden at retail. Now Retail isn’t needed to push PSP games for the original PSPs and the PSPGo, and they’re only option is to push people back on Physical Media like the PSP models that use UMD. If you can sell IPods then you can sell the PSPGo, there is absolutely no difference, retailers have made their bed and you know the rest. Digital Distribution devices are already here and it’s only getting bigger, Steam, iTunes, and even GameStop has a Direct Download service.

Digital Distribution and legacy game archives

I recently heard one podcast concerned about not being able to get a copy of game years down the road if it’s all digital, but it seems that getting a digital copy is always going to be much easier than finding a physical copy later down the line. Good examples of this would be older PC titles, which have shown up on Steam and for a greatly reduced price. On the PSN we already have Final Fantasy 7 on the PSN and prior to that it was already extremely hard to find a physical copy. Now for a much lower price it’s in the hands of well over 100,000 gamers years later. Also it’s much easier to backup a Digital Download, than it is a Copyrighted piece of physical media Legally for the most part.

Price Point versus Functionality

When the DSi came out it was $40 more than the DSlite and removed the GBA slot, obviously you could still play your DS cartridges. DSLite owners who wanted to upgrade had the same dilemma as Large UMD library owners myself included.
I think the only positive to come out of the $249 price tag was the outlook of the PSP in general, people are reporting about how impressive the PSP. This was something you heard the exact opposite of prior to the launch of the PSPGo. The main quote, “ My PSP is collecting Dust” but I guess they feel differently now that a new Version of the PSP is out he? Either way the PSPGo is $50 dollars more than a basic PSP Bundle, which includes a greatest hits game, a 2GB memory Card and a download voucher. The PSP Base Model is $80 less than the PSPGo and doesn’t come with anything, not even a memory card. So for comparison sake let’s compare the Base Model, you’re not going to get Bluetooth or a small form factor and you’ll need at least $60 to get a 16Gb memory Stick Pro Duo. So the difference between the 2 devices is $20 bucks if you’re not looking for portability or the Bluetooth features. In addition you’ll be unable to connect a PS3 controller to your PSP without using a PS3 and you don’t have the option of pausing your games and accessing the XMB or upgrading to greater than 16 or 32GB. The only drawback is the loss of UMD, which when the PSP was getting ridiculed initially, the main complaint was, “Get Rid of UMD!”

Short Term Memory of the Media with regards to UMD

Remember when:
PSP phone mod ain’t pretty, but it rings
http://www.joystiq.c....-but-it-rings/

“In a striking departure from the initial blueprint, the world’s first “PSP Phone” has killed two birds with one stone:
• Added a working phone feature (Check!)
• Got rid of that blasted UMD drive (Check!)
We’re not sure which is more preposterous: Quadrupling the size of your cell phone (and in turn, clutching a PSP to your ear), or cutting a hole in your PSP and gluing a cell phone in there? Sony, please take this as a sign that folks are getting mighty desperate for the real thing.”

PSP phone mod is really exactly what we were waiting for
http://www.engadget.....e-waiting-for/

Call it off Sony, no need to throw any precious man hours into making your perennially #2 handheld into some sort of amazing featurephone hybrid, some hacker has already done it for you. Through the amazing wonders of modern thinphone technology, soldering irons and probably a bit of glue, some hacker has managed the slap a Haier touchscreen phone onto the back of his PSP — killing the UMD drive in the process, but we’d say it was well worth it.

Rumored new, UMD-free PSP model very plausible
http://arstechnica.c....tiple-skus.ars

Without any way of playing older games on UMD, the rumor states that Sony will be releasing 100 games on the online store so you can download a library from day one, and of course Patapon 2 is a “test case” for releasing retail games in a download-only format. Put the big hits on the online store, release games as downloads moving forward, and you’ve all but erased the need for the UMD drive. There is also buzz that Gran Turismo Mobile may be the killer app for the new batch of downloadable content, which would make many gamers feel very friendly towards the system. Without UMDs, the battery life goes up, the cost of production may go down, and everyone wins.

David Perry: Sony Needs to Ditch UMD Format
http://www.wired.com...avid-perry-son/

They really need to bring out the PSP 3.0 and start again and try to get a lot of units out by reducing the manufacturing costs, by taking out all the motors and drives and stuff they have in there. That will make it even more sexy-looking, because it will be thinner again when they get all that junk out. Then, hopefully, the platform will actually get enough interest so that people will make a game specifically for it.
I think it’s funny how people change their tune so quickly, especially those in the media who put the information out there on the web.

Rewards Programs are nice but are Gamers entitled to it?

With all that being said this generation is mostly about people complaining about one thing or another, or something that’s not fair. It just seems strange to me that all these people feel they are entitled to an incentive to buying the latest version of hardware. There’s no incentive to buy new iPods or iphones when they upgrade every year, and you sure can’t trade them in towards a new purchase if you wanted to. So what makes people think this is something that should be expected? Madden, Call of Duty and all those annual games offer nothing for upgrading to the latest version, although it’s software it can be argued that it’s similar. In terms of gamers I wish there was a nice solution similar to what they’re offering in the UK. Although in terms of the gaming media how did they build this huge UMD library when just a month ago they were saying, “PSP Has no Games!”. Long end of the story is portable gaming has become even more exciting by the release of the PSPGo and I’m loving every minute of it!

#36 Swoxx

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 05:54 PM

I have to vote against Shipwreck. Nothing at all against him - I like him and enjoyed CAG Foreplay - but I really like the chemistry between Cheapy and Wombat and when a third person is there it doesn't quite work.


I have to agree with you the the letter there. I love shipwreck on Foreplay, but if he's gonna be on every cagcast i might not listen to the cast that often anymore and i've never missed an episode to date, sad but true. The chemistry between cheapy and wombat is what keeps my interest, but i find myself forwarding through the episodes where shipwreck sits in, It's just not the same.

Once again i really like shipwreck and it's nothing personal, i just don't want to see the C & W chemistry go away.

#37 Wombat

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 06:03 PM

Physical Media versus Direct Downloads

There is a time and place for everything. In the beginning of this generation I remember quotes saying, “... Long end of the story is portable gaming has become even more exciting by the release of the PSPGo and I’m loving every minute of it!


We get it, you hate the PSPGo and you wish it was never released.

#38 chililili

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 06:09 PM

Wombat needs to look up stuff on review embargos. They are put in place for two reasons:
1.- to ensure that all reviews go up at the same time and no one has a website traffice advantage as Cheapy said
2.- to give reviewers enough time to play the game comfortably as a normal-ish person
(if there were no embargos everyone would rush through the game to get it done as quick as possible to upload it and would have a crappier, more rushed, and stressful gaming experience that affects reviews.)

#39 Wombat

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 06:29 PM

Wombat needs to look up stuff on review embargos. They are put in place for two reasons:
1.- to ensure that all reviews go up at the same time and no one has a website traffice advantage as Cheapy said
2.- to give reviewers enough time to play the game comfortably as a normal-ish person
(if there were no embargos everyone would rush through the game to get it done as quick as possible to upload it and would have a crappier, more rushed, and stressful gaming experience that affects reviews.)


I hate that arguement because you assume that game pulishers need to act like parents and game reviewers are all children. I like to think in a free market of game reviews a select few would take to review games prooperly. Then as an educated consumer I would find reviews that I can trust.

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 06:30 PM

30 Minutes to wait for a damn Pie?! That better be the best damn pie in the world! :D
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#41 TripMasterMunky

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 06:33 PM

CHEAPY, your Amazon Gift Certificates.....$187....you do know that 187 is the code for murder right? Oh jeez. Run Cheapy. That's why there was no description on the card.
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#42 wheels

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 06:34 PM

I hit up Tokyo Disney sea/land last spring during my yearly trip to see the in-laws and it was a zoo, but still a good time. If you can afford to stay at the Ambassador hotel the buffet breakfast with the disney characters is super fun for the little ones, my 2 year old and niece loved it and still talk about it.

I vote yes for some shipwreck since he's not doing Foreplay anymore.


I have to say this is still my favorite video game podcast, i've been listening to jostiq the past few weeks and i am annoyed by the editing, skype sounds, sounds of the guys eating etc. the cagcast sounds much cleaner and is funnier.

#43 ChernobylCow

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 07:17 PM

-Shipwreck is a guest, keep it that way: a) He can be more informative about games because he plays more/knows more than the two of you
b) But he shouldn't be on every episode because when there are 3 of you there can be horrible delays between each person speaking. It kills the comedy/chemistry of the ambiguous duo because you're not able to react fast enough to get jokes in.

Also, what is The Citizen Kane? Is that a Hoobastank album

#44 rolio64

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 07:41 PM

Cagcast w/ Shipwreck: more info, almost completely devoid of funny

Cagcast w/o Shipwreck: less info, massively funny

#45 wheels

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 07:48 PM

good point shipwreck can be kinda dry, guest status sounds like a better idea.

#46 Chrisness

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 07:51 PM

I hate that arguement because you assume that game pulishers need to act like parents and game reviewers are all children. I like to think in a free market of game reviews a select few would take to review games prooperly. Then as an educated consumer I would find reviews that I can trust.


2.- to give reviewers enough time to play the game comfortably as a normal-ish person


I think you underestimate how important that is Wombat. Everything would be a huge rush all the time if there were never embargos.
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#47 ignaciogc

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 07:53 PM

I have to vote against Shipwreck. Nothing at all against him - I like him and enjoyed CAG Foreplay - but I really like the chemistry between Cheapy and Wombat and when a third person is there it doesn't quite work.

I agree with you... it seems that whenever Shipwreck is there, the show gets more serious and it ends up being mostly Shipwreck reviewing obscure DS/Wii titles (80%) and little else is discussed (20%).

I like the chemistry between Cheapy and Wombat and how they sometimes (usually) end up talking about the most random stuff not related to games.

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#48 colt4by5

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 08:18 PM

I like shipwreck as a co-host. You currently have two color commentators, so a play-by-play man would be nice. Of course he's going to be a little stiff and serious starting out... who wouldn't be, especially trying to find his role in an already established podcast. I don't think any of the other podcasts I listen to have less than 3 people, so that's not an issue either.

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 08:22 PM

I hate that arguement because you assume that game pulishers need to act like parents and game reviewers are all children. I like to think in a free market of game reviews a select few would take to review games prooperly. Then as an educated consumer I would find reviews that I can trust.

Wombat will the leave the world behind and start a new society under the sea where the free market will have no constraints. Welcome to "Rapture!"

#50 banodyne

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 08:23 PM

Cast my vote for Shipwreck being a regular. Besides having a distinct point of view from Cheapy and Wombat, with a third guy the show can go on if someone's sick or on vacation.

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 08:36 PM

The hype machine was out of control this week. I can't believe the New York Times reviewer wrote that. That paper has really gone down in credibility, especially when they cover tech.

The Metroid Prime series is the Citizen Kane of games? A good sci-fi yarn at best but it didn't have an emotionally gripping adult story that's told on many levels. I could see that going to Shadow of the Colossus, BioShock, or Silent Hill 2. It'll take time before we know which ones hold up over time. Sophisticated narrative in games is a relatively new concept.

#52 Vic Dumb

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 08:39 PM

You know what FRAK the negative views cause no matter what you try and do you can never make everyone happy. And that is what the internet has become a collection of people to bitch and complain.

I will say this has been the best CAG episode to date. I wouldn't change the formula up, if Shipwreck pops up every now and then great but if he became permanent it would kill the flow. CAG podcast is unique in the sense that its not always about video games but the lives of two gamers getting old, I love it.

Great work guys, keep it up.

#53 lokizz

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 09:05 PM

the only reason sonic and mario blah blah blah would sell moe is because its going to be on more systems but theres 2 things that could affect that.


1 the first mario and sonic game was shit and after being burned once many gamers wont waste their money on it again.

2. ps3 sales have gone up since the price drop and many of those new ps3 owners could potentially buy uncharted 2 and on top of that uncharted 2 could help to sell more ps3s.

that said if youve played the game , especially the mp part, you know how damn addictive it is and that game can and will sell consoles.

apart from that damn man you 2 are fucking petty.it really does bug the shit out of you how much people liked shipwreck on the show and want him on it. sad thing is if you 2 ( cheapy and womba) actually took the time to do research and get into more game types people wouldnt care as much if he was on the show or not.

he brings a level of deatil and quality to the cagcast that you all kinda dont not to say you arent entertaining but when people tune into your show to learn about new or upcoming games they tend to get letdown. if a games too hard you dont want to bother and if you dont like it you just flat out pass over it but shipwreck tries pretty much everything and objectively gives his opinion on it. thats what people like and want more out of the show.

hell just look at that one show you did where you said afrika wasnt a good game and complained about not being able to go where you want to and someone posted how if youd only went through a few more missions youd have free reign over going where you want. you cant hate shipwreck for doing what he does and doing i well if youre that jealous do better. and yeah wombat does have an excuse because of his job but cmon cheapy..........

#54 bebop

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 09:22 PM

Personally I would like shipwreck to be permanent. Some people seem to think he ruins the chemistry between you two, and I can see some merit in that argument. He is more informed and plays more games than wombat and cheapy. I don't think he interfere with the chemistry too much and overall adds something to the podcast. Maybe a middle ground could be having him on every other podcast?

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 09:54 PM

Sorry, but you can't compare Halo 3: ODST to Super Street Fighter 4, ODST came out 2 years after Halo 3 and Super Street Fighter 4 is coming out about a year after Street Fighter 4. Not to mention ODST has a full fledged story mode, Firefight mode, and every map for Halo 3 multiplayer, Super Street Fighter 4 seems to just an update with a few additional characters, but doesn't add anything really substantial compared to ODST.

Also first CAGcast I've listened to in over a year, glad I came back, missed the show.

EDIT: Just got to the teaching English part, a friend of mine teaches English in Korea, and he doesn't know a lick of Korean, I didn't ask specifics, but he isn't supposed to know Korean and the kids are supposed to pick up English somehow through him just teaching it.

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#56 mykevermin

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 10:40 PM

This show was an unlistenable stream of consciousness. Was there any gaming content discussed between you two?

Bring back Shipwreck, and you two take a week off.
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Posted 15 October 2009 - 11:26 PM

Make Shipwreck a permanent part of the show.
maybe you can get those NeoGaf crybabies back.

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 12:16 AM

Yes, Shipwreck is dry. Which is why he is great teamed up with Cheapy and Wombat. Foreplay is over anyway, keep him permanent. Between the three of you, you'll be able to release a show every week.

#59 Rendition

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 01:05 AM

Wombat, what's the name of the pumpkin/corn maze farm you went to? And the pie place? I might be interesting to taking my family to both. Thanks.

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 02:58 AM

I love the I'm gonna get you sucka reference and also like Shipwreck on the show. Good show guys.
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