CAG Arcade Stick Thread II: World Warrior

MarkMan · Nov 12, 2009

Old thread was purged/closed. You can find it here:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192322

Welcome to the new thread!

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Hi, I am MarkMan and I love arcade sticks.

I was inspired to create this thread because of the discussion going on in the Soul Calibur IV Hori Arcade Stick (PS3/360) deal thread.

Let us use this thread as a resource and a place where we can ask questions and get answers for all things arcade stick related!

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ARCADE STICK LINKS

SRK Tech Area Forum - An excellent source of all things arcade sticks. From custom sticks, stick modding, to which stick is best for you... They have all kinds of information in this forum, so search around!
SD TEKKEN Arcade Stick Database - My site and it focuses on arcade sticks that can be used for PS2 and PS3. Mainly for Tekken and/or fighting game purposes.
NeoGAF Arcade Stick Thread - Another good resource for arcade sticks. This one is on another popular gaming forum.

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OTHER LINKS

Taken from SRK:

Quote:
Originally Posted by SRK
Buying/deciding on joystick:
Custom Sticks For sale Thread
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=131127
Paik4life's sanwa/seimitsu FAQ
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=118289

FAQs on making your own custom
ULTIMATE resource thread (thx chippermonky) (albeit he's the one editing this thread right now)
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=117050
Chippermonky's where/how to solder guide
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=118502
Another HOW to solder guide
http://www.epemag.wimborne.co.uk/solderfaq.htm
Spiffyshoes Solderless A Series Hack (for those of you who lack the man factor to solder)
http://shoryuken.voiea.net/uploads/u...ShoesAHack.rar
chippermonky's wii joystick guide (although he doesn't own the rights to it anymore :x)
http://www.gamesradar.com/us/wii/gam...07143457135083
check the resource thread for more.

Stick modding guides:
Tingboy's HRAP 2 Mod w/ Seimitsu Parts
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=132472
Chippermonky's Hori DOA4 Stick Mod
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=131221
SFAC Happ Mod
http://arcadestickmonk.com/SFACmod.html
Urth's Guide: How to put art under clear Seimitsu buttons
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=132705
HRAP FAQ All versions
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=95713
Agetec Mods
http://www.tychom.org/stick/
http://jonesey.clawz.com/joystick2/
HAPP P360 on an Xbox 360
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=133935

Misc
Toodles' UPCB Thread
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=131230
Controller Adapter/Converter Thread thanks to tl613
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=132493

Real Arcade Parts:
Akihabara Shop (currently closed Will re-open in June)
http://akihabarashop.com/
Ponyboy's Thread for Sanwa, happ, & now Seimitsu parts too
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=116457
Lizard Lick Amusements
http://www.lizardlickamusements.com/
Gremlin Solutions (Located in the UK)
www.gremlinsolutions.co.uk
Starcab.net (Located in France)
http://www.starcab.net

The Official Custom Arcade Sticks Thread
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=18815

The Official Custom Arcade Sticks Thread II: A New Era of Builders
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=108857

Padhacking:
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=113675

Official Sanwa mod thread
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthre...=72628&page=29
HAPP parts FAQ
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=141741 thanks to evil samurai
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hankmecrankme · Nov 12, 2009

Well, since this is the stick thread v.2, I'll repost my modest collection.

Top left: 360 HRAP EX with LS-32 stick and Seimitsu PS-14--G buttons. Top right: 360 SFIV TE Fightstick. Left: PS2 HRAP 2, JLF stick, OBSF-30 buttons. Right: PS2 Modded Tekken 5 stick, JLF, OBSF-30 buttons. Bottom left: PS3 Namco stick, JLF, OBSF-30 buttons, Cthulhu PCB. Bottom right: Virtua Stick High Grade, Cthulhu PCB, gray Meshball of Power.

Both sticks are all Happ, wooden box is PS2, SFAC is PS2/Xbox

eastx · Nov 12, 2009

I'm a ninja! Oh, and I like dual modding SE and TE sticks.

RelentlessRolento · Nov 12, 2009

I'm a poor ass bitch. Still with sucky sucky decent T5 stickarooner

blitz6speed · Nov 12, 2009

any word on release date/price of the chImp board? Need one ASAP!!

greyzieoriental · Nov 12, 2009

I was a sucker and bought the Tekken 6 LE Wireless stick.

coolsteel · Nov 12, 2009

[quote name='hankmecrankme']Well, since this is the stick thread v.2, I'll repost my modest collection.

Top left: 360 HRAP EX with LS-32 stick and Seimitsu PS-14--G buttons. Top right: 360 SFIV TE Fightstick. Left: PS2 HRAP 2, JLF stick, OBSF-30 buttons. Right: PS2 Modded Tekken 5 stick, JLF, OBSF-30 buttons. Bottom left: PS3 Namco stick, JLF, OBSF-30 buttons, Cthulhu PCB. Bottom right: Virtua Stick High Grade, Cthulhu PCB, gray Meshball of Power.

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Heh I tried to do that look originally when modding my T5 stick but alas one dremel slip later and nuts needed some artwork .

akuma001 · Nov 12, 2009

akuma001 · Nov 12, 2009

[quote name='blitz6speed']any word on release date/price of the chImp board? Need one ASAP!![/QUOTE]

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=7852323&postcount=3008

anubis20 · Nov 12, 2009

akuma001 · Nov 12, 2009

[quote name='anubis20']HOT DAMN!!!!, care to help a cag brother out and sell me one of those virtua sticks[/QUOTE]

sorry man i only have 2 left for my personal use.

Halo05 · Nov 12, 2009

The only sticks I have out at the moment are a HRAP2 SA, HRAP3 SA and a 360 SFIV TE, all are stock and probably staying that way forever. Someday I'd like to mod my regular HRAP2 with Seimitsu parts.

The most interesting sticks that I have are probably the PS2 Neo Geo sticks. I have the Garou one, the one that came with KOF 95-97, a regular black one, and that crazy red Mai one. I'm pissed that I missed out on getting one of the Wii Neo Geo sticks.

coolsteel · Nov 12, 2009

Hey Markman any current pics of your collection? I stumbled across one from a few years ago http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=10035641&postcount=21 and now i'm kinda curious .

anubis20 · Nov 12, 2009

[quote name='coolsteel']Hey Markman any current pics of your collection? I stumbled across one from a few years ago http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=10035641&postcount=21 and now i'm kinda curious .[/QUOTE]

I speculate you cant see any walls now, unlike that old pic

BustaUppa · Nov 12, 2009

[quote name='akuma001']i like to dualmod sticks[/QUOTE]This guy is no joke! Great email communication and he managed to meet all my unreasonably specific needs for a stick! :bow:

Inf^Shini · Nov 12, 2009

360 TE is the only one that can be dual-modded?

distgfx · Nov 12, 2009

[quote name='Inf^Shini']360 TE is the only one that can be dual-modded right?[/QUOTE]

Both can be, it's just easier for the 360 one.

Inf^Shini · Nov 12, 2009

Right on.

MarkMan · Nov 13, 2009

Old pics of old times.

I won't even try to take a pic of my collection, I don't wanna move that many boxes.

I'm currently at 137 arcade sticks.

suko_32 · Nov 13, 2009

[quote name='MarkMan']Old pics of old times.

I won't even try to take a pic of my collection, I don't wanna move that many boxes.

I'm currently at 137 arcade sticks.[/QUOTE]

Filling out that Pokedex!

heavyd853 · Nov 13, 2009

Mark still needs to get that separate house to house his arcade stick collection

StarKnightX · Nov 13, 2009

I know I asked this question before but since it has been a while , and the fact that I have both the 360 and PS3 now , and the fact that I never followed through with the info the first time (whew) , I'm going to ask again.

What would the best out of the box fight sticks be for both the PS3 and the 360?

Halo05 · Nov 13, 2009

Either Hori's fancy new ones...

360 HRAP EX SE http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Real..._3?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1258170467&sr=8-3

PS3 HRAP 3 SA http://www.amazon.com/Real-Arcade-P..._2?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1258170467&sr=8-2

or the Madcatz TE ones

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001QCWSH4/ref=twister_dp_update?ie=UTF8&childASIN=B001M25AY6

KingBroly · Nov 13, 2009

No character unlocks in Super Street Fighter 4. Excellent.

eastx · Nov 14, 2009

I agree with Senor Halo005.

ya0 · Nov 14, 2009

HRAP EX SE IS EPIK win

rmb · Nov 14, 2009

I have a 360 Madcatz TE stick no mods to it. Though no more 360 console. Selling or trading as my sig notes.

eastx · Nov 14, 2009

Hey Rmb, how about you send me the 360 TE stick and I install a Playstation 3 PCB in it (making it into a PS3-only stick) and send it back to you? I could use the 360 PCB, so I'd do the job for free.

rmb · Nov 15, 2009

[quote name='eastx']Hey Rmb, how about you send me the 360 TE stick and I install a Playstation 3 PCB in it (making it into a PS3-only stick) and send it back to you? I could use the 360 PCB, so I'd do the job for free.[/QUOTE] :whistle2:

k Gonna have to consider that option. Is it easy enough to take it out and just ship the pcb? If so I'd do it in a heartbeat most likely.

I won't be using the stick for fighting games. Mostly just old school arcade games. That being said, in reading up on this I believe a plus gate would be best. Correct? I just want the stick to play the old school stuff without problems. Any other choices and reasons why?

If I could get a fighting stick 3 with the right setup plus cash in my pocket I'd seriously consider making that type of trade. Currently considering this option with another Cag right now.

Eastx- send me a pm in regards to the pcb

luan87us · Nov 15, 2009

My Hori FS3 just suddenly stopped working while I was playing SF4 last night >.> It isn't getting any power at all from either PS3 or PC. Anyone know a way I can check if it's the USB cable or my PCB is fried?

eastx · Nov 15, 2009

You could solder on a new USB cable. If it still doesn't work, the cable's not the problem.

Ahadi · Nov 15, 2009

I've got a Hori Fight Stick 3 coming in the mail some time this week. Since purchasing it, I think I may have been bitten by the arcade stick bug. I'm now thinking of picking up a Mayflash arcade stick to try my hand at modding and tweaking. Is that a good stick to tinker with? Should I dick around with the Hori stick at all?

distgfx · Nov 15, 2009

[quote name='Ahadi']I've got a Hori Fight Stick 3 coming in the mail some time this week. Since purchasing it, I think I may have been bitten by the arcade stick bug. I'm now thinking of picking up a Mayflash arcade stick to try my hand at modding and tweaking. Is that a good stick to tinker with? Should I dick around with the Hori stick at all?[/QUOTE]

You want an easy stick to mod? Get the MadCatz SE stick, easiest stick to mod that I've seen so far. Don't dick around with the Hori just yet unless you're ok with soldering and all that good stuff.

Ahadi · Nov 15, 2009

[quote name='distgfx']You want an easy stick to mod? Get the MadCatz SE stick, easiest stick to mod that I've seen so far. Don't dick around with the Hori just yet unless you're ok with soldering and all that good stuff.

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That's a beautiful looking stick. But is a $150 stick really worth modding though? At that price, you'd think it would be perfect! But, I mean, $20ish for a cheap little stick that (according to google) is easy enough to mod/learn to solder/all the other fun stuff that comes with learning to mod a stick. And if I screw up big, it's no biggie. Unless I'm missing the point?

coolsteel · Nov 15, 2009

[quote name='Ahadi']That's a beautiful looking stick. But is a $150 stick really worth modding though? At that price, you'd think it would be perfect! But, I mean, $20ish for a cheap little stick that (according to google) is easy enough to mod/learn to solder/all the other fun stuff that comes with learning to mod a stick. And if I screw up big, it's no biggie. Unless I'm missing the point?[/QUOTE]

You're a little confused, the stick you are talking about is the TE at $150, this is the SE http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Street-F..._3?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1258338550&sr=8-3 . I don't quite understand though how modding the Mayflash versus the Hori Fight Stick 3 makes a huge difference seeing as how both are cheap sticks and both require soldering and dremel work to do anything with. So you might as well mod what you have coming in the mail first.

Edit:

Here are both threads about this on Shoryuken

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=169569 Mayflash

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=136372 Fight Stick 3

Ahadi · Nov 15, 2009

[quote name='coolsteel']You're a little confused, the stick you are talking about is the TE at $150, this is the SE http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Street-F..._3?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1258338550&sr=8-3 . I don't quite understand though how modding the Mayflash versus the Hori Fight Stick 3 makes a huge difference seeing as how both are cheap sticks and both require soldering and dremel work to do anything with. So you might as well mod what you have coming in the mail first.

Edit:

Here are both threads about this on Shoryuken

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=169569 Mayflash

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=136372 Fight Stick 3[/QUOTE]

Oh I'm totally confused with the whole process. But I figure the Hori is better quality than the Mayflash, so I figure ripping open the Mayflash wouldn't make me feel like an idiot if I mess up. I mean, I grabbed the Hori off of eBay for $13 and the Mayflash for $20. And my ultimate worst case scenario is that I do no modding and have two arcade sticks.

coolsteel · Nov 15, 2009

The odds of you messing up on the Hori are really small, pineconeattack has up a great guide on how to modify that stick as well as the Shoryuken thread I linked. I just don't see the point of buying a Mayflash to practice on too when you haven't destroyed the first one yet :lol:

Ahadi · Nov 15, 2009

[quote name='coolsteel']The odds of you messing up on the Hori are really small, pineconeattack has up a great guide on how to modify that stick as well as the Shoryuken thread I linked. I just don't see the point of buying a Mayflash to practice on too when you haven't destroyed the first one yet :lol:[/QUOTE]

That's an incredible point... :whistle2:

k the thing is though, I do want two sticks. And to to me, the Hori is appealing to me aesthetically and is supposedly a good stick for a casual fighting gamer. The Mayflash is really just a cheap experiment that if I decide against the modding, I can let guests/friends use and am still at less than the cost of the Hori stick from a retailer.

Long story short though, I jumped the gun on this. And my ultimate worst case scenario is that I'll have sticks laying around that could be useful to someone here or on eBay I guess. Either way though, I'm not feeling like an idiot just yet.

distgfx · Nov 16, 2009

I'm bored and just want to put in my 2 cents on the T6 wireless bundle for PS3. I managed to snag the T6 Bundle deal on amazon and brought it down to $16 after everything. So I receive it today and open it to find T6 for PS3 doesn't have the slip cover in the bundle, that was a bad sign right there. The artbook however is very nice. Anyway, onto the stick itself.

Before even plugging it in I decided to get the feel for it, the stick itself feels like it's grinding on something inside. When trying to do diagonals it feels like there's some tissue stuffed inside it. The dead zone on it is bigger than my T5 straight out of the box. The buttons feel terrible as well and take more force than the TE or T5. The PS3 version requires a wireless dongle, way to go above and beyond namco!

Now for actual game testing, I used SFIV as my test game. I decided to hop into training to do one of the easiest BnBs in the game, Ryu's SRK -> FADC -> Ultra. It failed the first few times due to the terrible diagonals but eventually I manage to get the feel for it on the stick. So I go and try my favorite test, viper's jab -> SJC -> Ultra. It worked in two tries, not bad, doesn't seem to drop any inputs and I haven't noticed any lag.

Now, after playing SFIV with it for a while, the impressions after playing it for a while aren't any different. The stick itself still sucks and despite having a huge dead zone feels like it takes a lot of force to register inputs and feels like something's stuffed inside between the switches when doing diagonals. The buttons require a lot more force to register inputs, even for hori buttons. The entire thing is light which means it moves around a lot in your lap and the plastic feels very cheap. If you bought this bundle at retail, I'm truly sorry. I wouldn't recommend this stick to anybody, not even a first time stick player. Stay the fuck

away from this stick.

P.S. English is not my major

tl;dr - The stick fuck

ing sucks, don't buy it, not even for $16.

ValkyrieVF-1S · Nov 16, 2009

$16 is still way better than $150. So don't feel too bad.

distgfx · Nov 16, 2009

[quote name='ValkyrieVF-1S']$16 is still way better than $150. So don't feel too bad.

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If I paid $150, I'd of tried to weasel my way into getting my money back by saying the game itself is still sealed and hoping some employee would sympathize. :lol:

LostRoad · Nov 16, 2009

Isn't they stick just to damn small? From some of the pics someone posted awhile ago it looked way to damn small for me ( base wise ). Oh well at least you have other sticks to play on Dis Im sure you can sell the damn thing for like 50-60.

distgfx · Nov 16, 2009

Yea, the stick is pretty small, I took some unboxing pics and it should give you a decent representation of the size. It's light as hell too and I don't plan on selling this sucker, but it's certainly not staying the way it is.

http://s285.photobucket.com/albums/ll53/uraizen/T6PS3BundleUnboxing/

EDIT: Went ahead and added some comparison pics to a DVD/360 case so you guys can get a general idea of its size.

eastx · Nov 16, 2009

I like the small size. Once modded, it should be great.

anubis20 · Nov 16, 2009

I never understood why the PS3 T6 bundle was the only one that came without a slipcover on the game itself

distgfx · Nov 16, 2009

[quote name='anubis20']I never understood why the PS3 T6 bundle was the only one that came without a slipcover on the game itself[/QUOTE]

I never understood why the stick came with a dongle either, Sony's letting third parties license their shit, they did so long before this came out. You should of given us bluetooth namco/hori! The ability to turn the PS3 on with it would be nice too. Bestbuy's rocketfish PS3 controller has bluetooth and can turn on the PS3, why can't you do the same for you sticks namco/hori?!

Thomas96 · Nov 16, 2009

Can the T6 stick compatible with other PS3 fighting games, and can it be used to play the PS2 fighters?

distgfx · Nov 16, 2009

[quote name='Thomas96']Can the T6 stick compatible with other PS3 fighting games, and can it be used to play the PS2 fighters?[/QUOTE]

It's just a controller, the stick would work with any PS3 games. However PS2 games, I'll check real quick ... it does not. The light on the dongle doesn't even light up.

EDIT: Works on the PC though, plug n' play, nice.

EDIT #2: Ahaha, PC SFIV recognizes it as "WIRELESS FIGHTING STICK 3." I got a laugh out of it, lol.

luan87us · Nov 16, 2009

[quote name='distgfx']It's just a controller, the stick would work with any PS3 games. However PS2 games, I'll check real quick ... it does not. The light on the dongle doesn't even light up.

EDIT: Works on the PC though, plug n' play, nice.

EDIT #2: Ahaha, PC SFIV recognizes it as "WIRELESS FIGHTING STICK 3." I got a laugh out of it, lol.[/QUOTE]

The wireless stick in T6 basically is a Hori Fighting Stick 3 with wireless functionality and they changed the lay out of the buttons a bit for Tekken. It even has the very same PCB (for the buttons), buttons, and joystick lol.

[quote name='Ahadi']I've got a Hori Fight Stick 3 coming in the mail some time this week. Since purchasing it, I think I may have been bitten by the arcade stick bug. I'm now thinking of picking up a Mayflash arcade stick to try my hand at modding and tweaking. Is that a good stick to tinker with? Should I dick around with the Hori stick at all?[/QUOTE]
I just want to let you know. While the MayFlash stick is cheap and all, its case looks cheap as hell lol. If you don't mind then yes that would be the best option to start stick modding since you can find one of these sucker for pretty cheap. Why not mod your FS3? It only bad when you have to desolder the PCB from the buttons but after that you can use quick disconect cables. If you don't trust your soldering skill practice it on an old PCB board from broken electronic first. Good luck.

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