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My slumlord sued me: A cautionary tale; UPDATE: Life in prison. The end.


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#211 Dead of Knight

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 03:24 PM

Oh god, this just gets more and more amazing. Might this thread actually be nominated for Thread of the Year two years in a row? Has that ever been done before?
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#212 dmaul1114

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 04:03 PM

Dude, I wouldn't go around talking to his neighbors or showing up at his criminal court dates. That's just fodder for him dragging you back into court, baseless or not.


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#213 Strell

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 04:39 PM

I don't think you should walk around either, speedracer. Your back is going to start hurting from hauling them big bawz all over the place.


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#214 DV8

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 04:41 PM

Wow you and your wife are absolutely brilliant. If it was an average normal joe like myself we wouldn't stand a chance. Props to you for standing up and knowing your way around the law!

#215 speedracer

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 05:07 PM

1) He can just walk out without paying - is that because he has a right to appeal?

Yup. The judgment is officially entered as of today. He will have 5 days to appeal. We would LOVE for him to appeal but who knows. Actually, I would love for him to appeal. The other 3 involved in the case are war weary and want it to end.

2) Are you concerned that he will sue you for libel. I mean, it sounds like it would be baseless, but this guy seems pretty vindictive.

The truth is an absolute defense in libel cases. Just a random example off the top of my head and in no way connected to this issue, if I were to tell you he is a rapist, I can be held liable for libel. If I tell you he is alleged to have raped someone and has charges pending, that is absolute truth in the legal sense.

I would have no problem going back to court with him. Maybe I'm a shit human being, but he appears genuinely afraid of me and I enjoy being in his presence for that reason. The rest of the parties are pretty pissy with me already, but that wouldn't include them. You should see this guy when we all go to court. He's downright friendly to the other 3, but looks like a trapped animal as soon as I start talking. When we were in the mediation room, the mediator left to find a chair. I was sitting across from him, leaning in with my biggest smile. He was damn near in the fetal position. Yea, I enjoy shit like that. Let him squirm.

Dude, I wouldn't go around talking to his neighbors or showing up at his criminal court dates. That's just fodder for him dragging you back into court, baseless or not.

To be honest I haven't decided what exactly I'm going to do. For obvious reasons, he is working very hard to disassociate himself from the criminal charges, including using an alias for court proceedings. To me, it's a clear pressure point that I can use to persuade payment. It's totally legal and I'm sure he would recant and pay if he knew it was in the cards. What I'm trying to figure out right now is how exactly I can apply that pressure without him losing his mind all over my face. My pregnant wife is a bit of an issue here for me. I thought about calling him but it's not something I feel I can phrase correctly if it were to be taped, and he tapes everything.

The issue I'm facing here is that the other 3 (well 2 1/2, my wife is half supportive because she knows how much I really want) really REALLY want this to end and they want money in their pocket, even a little bit. I can't blame them. Ya'll have read this. A reasonable person would just take their cut of the $750 and run from this guy as fast as they can.

I'm not reasonable. The money has zero influence over my behavior. I'm looking for satisfaction to the fullest extent the law and society affords. I just have to find a balance that doesn't piss off my family.
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Posted 12 May 2010 - 06:13 PM

I'm not reasonable. The money has zero influence over my behavior. I'm looking for satisfaction to the fullest extent the law and society affords. I just have to find a balance that doesn't piss off my family.


The worst part of anything you've typed. This is when people get wreckless. As I've brought up before, it's pretty apparent that you're enjoying being Mr. Bad Ass with this guy...and that's fine. But at least have the intelligence to recognize when you've won. Today, you just beat this guy, according to the terms of the law, and you're talking about still fighting him. You're talking about "applying pressure" to get him to pay. How do you think the court would view that? Is it not their responsibility to ensure that their judgment is carried out? If the case does get appealed, the last thing you want is a judge looking at you as being arrogant and self-righteous.

Yeah, sure, the landlord is a piece of garbage. But if you act like anything other than meek and mild-mannered Joe Citizen, you might run into a judge who doesn't care how "smart you are". Play it by the book. You've got a case you've already won, which could only get escalated and worsen if the landlord continues to ignore the fact that he has lost. If he keeps it up, you might get his assets AND he could serve time. At this point, you've got him right where you want him. I wouldn't be doing anything to potentially Fuck it up.

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 06:16 PM

Great story, lots of lols to be had by all. Can't wait to hear more if there is anything else to be said. Renting is a sticky business and I hope to never have to deal with anyone like this dude. Good luck!
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#218 speedracer

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 06:51 PM

The worst part of anything you've typed. This is when people get wreckless. As I've brought up before, it's pretty apparent that you're enjoying being Mr. Bad Ass with this guy...and that's fine. But at least have the intelligence to recognize when you've won. Today, you just beat this guy, according to the terms of the law, and you're talking about still fighting him. You're talking about "applying pressure" to get him to pay. How do you think the court would view that? Is it not their responsibility to ensure that their judgment is carried out? If the case does get appealed, the last thing you want is a judge looking at you as being arrogant and self-righteous.

First off, I want to thank you specifically dude. I've appreciated your point of view especially since it's been so pointedly different from my own. All of us are having a difficult time appraising the situation because we're so entwined in it and it's tough to find outside opinion. I've thought about your previous posts long and hard and have about this one as well. So yea. Thanks. The counter view is giving me something to chew on.

He's got us between a rock and a hard place and he knows it. We are now unsecured creditors, which means we can demand no collateral and can only place liens on property. All he has to do is not sell the property or declare bankruptcy and we get nothing. Our only carrot was summarily dismissed by him yesterday, which leaves only sticks to prod compliance with the judgment. Unless he sues me for something, the court's judgment is complete and won't change. To my understanding, we wait a month and then something happens with the sheriff. Either we file to put a lien or the sheriff goes out to his place or something like that. I'm not exactly sure to be honest. I need to talk to my wife about that process.

Yeah, sure, the landlord is a piece of garbage. But if you act like anything other than meek and mild-mannered Joe Citizen, you might run into a judge who doesn't care how "smart you are". Play it by the book. You've got a case you've already won, which could only get escalated and worsen if the landlord continues to ignore the fact that he has lost. If he keeps it up, you might get his assets AND he could serve time. At this point, you've got him right where you want him. I wouldn't be doing anything to potentially Fuck it up.

I'm not worried about legal action from him, even if I go all out. I am worried that he might go nuts all over my family. I guess what I do want is the money, but only because I know he so badly doesn't want to give it to us.

He won't go to jail for not paying us. I don't think anyway. That's an interesting thought though and I need to figure out what the sheriff will do before I make a move. That's a good idea.

I'm updating the original post with my phone call today.
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#219 speedracer

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 07:23 PM

You've got to be fucking kidding me update.
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#220 n8rockerasu

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 07:25 PM

First off, I want to thank you specifically dude. I've appreciated your point of view especially since it's been so pointedly different from my own. All of us are having a difficult time appraising the situation because we're so entwined in it and it's tough to find outside opinion. I've thought about your previous posts long and hard and have about this one as well. So yea. Thanks. The counter view is giving me something to chew on.

He's got us between a rock and a hard place and he knows it. We are now unsecured creditors, which means we can demand no collateral and can only place liens on property. All he has to do is not sell the property or declare bankruptcy and we get nothing. Our only carrot was summarily dismissed by him yesterday, which leaves only sticks to prod compliance with the judgment. Unless he sues me for something, the court's judgment is complete and won't change. To my understanding, we wait a month and then something happens with the sheriff. Either we file to put a lien or the sheriff goes out to his place or something like that. I'm not exactly sure to be honest. I need to talk to my wife about that process.

I'm not worried about legal action from him, even if I go all out. I am worried that he might go nuts all over my family. I guess what I do want is the money, but only because I know he so badly doesn't want to give it to us.

He won't go to jail for not paying us. I don't think anyway. That's an interesting thought though and I need to figure out what the sheriff will do before I make a move. That's a good idea.

I'm updating the original post with my phone call today.


Well, a lot of what you're worried about hinges on one thing: his intelligence. You're either overestimating it or underestimating it, haha. I'm sure you've got a better take on him than anybody in this thread could have just from reading about him. But unless he's got some pretty sleazy legal advisors (who would actually advise him to not pay?), you're counting on him just knowing that he can choose to not pay you. And the bottom line is, you're making his life much harder than I'm sure he would like it to be.

I mean, look at the conditions you stated for the court to not outright force him to pay you. He either can't sell any of his properties or he has to declare bankruptcy. I really doubt either of those things are longterm plans for him. I'm guessing because of the fact that you're unsecured creditors, you can't send a collections agency after him. If that's the case, it's unfortunate considering all the other debts people can be hounded and harrassed over.

Also, my point about him going to jail, yeah...I honestly don't know the consequences of simply avoiding a court ruling. You would think that's something actually serious, but who knows how many loopholes there are for him to jump through. I mean, how is it any different than refusing to pay a speeding ticket? If it's not looked at that way, it SHOULD be.

But more importantly, you know that he's not an upstanding citizen to begin with. If anything, this case will have Uncle Sam paying attention to him now. If he doesn't cheat in some other area of his life/finances, I'll be amazed. By not being willing to realistically negotiate with you, he's brought heat on himself. That's the LAST thing a criminal wants. As long as this has been dragged out, I'm sure your family has gotten over the missing money anyway. Even if it takes 3 years, maybe you'll get a $1500 check in the mail one day, and it'll be like a surprise paid vacation.

And of course, yeah, there's the whole family safety/wounded animal aspect of it. If things are bound to get worse with the case (appeal or otherwise), the fire's only going to get hotter for him. I don't blame you at all for being apprehensive about the justice system, but it has worked for you thus far. It would be quite a failure of the court system for you to get stiffed completely. And if that were to happen, I wouldn't blame you for any recourse you chose to take. But I'd at least give it a chance to work properly first.

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 07:29 PM

But more importantly, you know that he's not an upstanding citizen to begin with. If anything, this case will have Uncle Sam paying attention to him now. If he doesn't cheat in some other area of his life/finances, I'll be amazed. By not being willing to realistically negotiate with you, he's brought heat on himself. That's the LAST thing a criminal wants. As long as this has been dragged out, I'm sure your family has gotten over the missing money anyway. Even if it takes 3 years, maybe you'll get a $1500 check in the mail one day, and it'll be like a surprise paid vacation.


Yes, I'm quoting myself because of the new update.

See, I knew that would happen. ;)

He's panicking now. All you need to do is sit back and enjoy the show. You'll probably end up owning 3 of his buildings before this thing is over, lol.

#222 camoor

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 07:35 PM

LoL wow. I wonder what he was arrested for.

#223 speedracer

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 07:38 PM

LoL wow. I wonder what he was arrested for.

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On Tuesday, he ran when police arrived at his home in the [REDACTED] to take him into custody on four new child sex assault charges.

Pedobear. I added the info to the original post.
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Posted 12 May 2010 - 07:40 PM

You must be loving this. I know I am. Is it possible the four new charges are due to you telling the other tenants about all the shit going on?

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 07:41 PM

You must be loving this. I know I am. Is it possible the four new charges are due to you telling the other tenants about all the shit going on?


He hasn't had a chance to do so. Also, you can't get arrested for being a douchey landlord.
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#226 speedracer

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 07:44 PM

You must be loving this. I know I am. Is it possible the four new charges are due to you telling the other tenants about all the shit going on?

Dude, I've got the biggest smile you've ever seen. He's in prison right now on 6 child molestation charges AND he's not getting bail because he ran from the cops AND they're going to reschedule the hearings because of the new charges which means he's going to rot in jail for a couple of months BEFORE he even gets to get found guilty.

OMG. Best. Day. Ever.

We haven't told any of his tenants or anyone like that. I sure as hell am now.

His mugshot in the newspaper is fucking priceless. He's trying to look all hard and he's the biggest pussy I've ever met.
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#227 Dead of Knight

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 07:47 PM

:rofl: @ update
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Posted 12 May 2010 - 07:50 PM

His mugshot in the newspaper is fucking priceless. He's trying to look all hard and he's the biggest pussy I've ever met.


Is there an online version or might you scan and post somewhere? We all want to know what this guy looks like.

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 07:50 PM

So this won't be over? Since when is he ever going to pay?

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 07:54 PM

wow this was like a movie lol. highs and lows an evil villan hell bent on screwing people over only to have karma catch up to him and land him in jail. prison is going to be hell on hi because pedos in jail are often targeted by innmates.

#231 Strell

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 07:56 PM

Dammit now I need to go make some more popcorn.

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Also I found the newspaper article in question. Isn't hard. But speedy said to not link any information from his case to this thread, so.....


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#232 speedracer

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 07:57 PM

You know, I can't think of a good reason to protect his identity any more. I don't want to direct link, but if you were to go to my local newspaper (chron . com) and search for "Accused child predator", you'd find his unsmiling mug looking back at you. A search for "Sex offender arrested" on the Chron will get you the updated arrest story.

edit: Mods, just yank it if I'm doing something wrong here. But Fuck it. Here's his mug shot (hot linked):

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On the pay thing, I have no idea. What we have is an offer check he mailed us for $700, but on it he wrote not valid after Jan 14th. I think I'm going to head over to the issuing bank and see whether we can cash it. It's a start. As for the rest, it'll just be a lien on his property which is undoubtedly going to be sold now.
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#233 Strell

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 08:00 PM

LOL@his picture.

He looks like the type to complain about tipping at Dennys.


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Posted 12 May 2010 - 08:02 PM

You know, I can't think of a good reason to protect his identity any more. I don't want to direct link, but if you were to go to my local newspaper (chron . com) and search for "Accused child predator", you'd find his unsmiling mug looking back at you. A search for "Sex offender arrested" on the Chron will get you the updated arrest story.

edit: Mods, just yank it if I'm doing something wrong here. But Fuck it. Here's his mug shot (hot linked):

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On the pay thing, I have no idea. What we have is an offer check he mailed us for $700, but on it he wrote not valid after Jan 14th. I think I'm going to head over to the issuing bank and see whether we can cash it. It's a start. As for the rest, it'll just be a lien on his property which is undoubtedly going to be sold now.

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 08:04 PM

Epic. He got owned IN THE ARSE!

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#236 speedracer

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 08:15 PM

full name please!

No names. I don't want this thread coming up in a search. Please.
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#237 Strell

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 08:17 PM

We.

We could leetspeak it. CUZ WE ARE LEET.

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 08:24 PM

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 08:32 PM

Karma's a bitch, ain't it?

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 08:50 PM

You say he's a giant pussy, but the man repeatedly try to screw you and small children in the ass. Pussys don't try to do that, especially this persistently. As for his mugshot, I think he does a convincing white supremacist/joe-the-plumber/militia/tea-partier, which is all kinds of scary to me.