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#3061 barrit

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 02:31 PM

IGN sucks, sure, but let's save the venom for a game that's actually good and gets an unfair rep.


Since you've played the game, could you tell us what wasn't good about it?

#3062 Dark_Sage

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 02:36 PM

Since you've played the game, could you tell us what wasn't good about it?


Compile Heart made it.

#3063 Schildkrote

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 02:59 PM

Have a damn opinion, man! Could've at least rented the game. Game$pot gave Wild Arms 2 a 5.4/10, but did that stop me from liking the game a ton? Hell no. Didn't one guy in EGM give Final Fantasy III (6j) for SNES a freakin 6.0 when the game came out? Scores are completely useless when it comes to video games, where average is 8.8 and garbage is 7.0. Mugen Souls looks like one of those either "love it or hate it" games, with scores as low as 1/5 and two scores of 86 and 87/100 and one 7/10.

I can't STAND Wild Arms 4, and IGN gave it a 7.8. I think the Xbox 360 version of Sonic Unleashed is tolerable, but the Wii version is a piece of crap. What does IGN say? Xbox 360, 4.5/10. Wii, 7.2/10. What the entire hell.

tl;dr Don't ever trust a score from IGN, or any other site for that matter, unless there's a huge consensus on metacritic or gamerankings that it's just a giant turd like Haze or Ninja Gaiden 3 any other "next AAA title" that every stupid child flamed critics over for daring to give a low score to on a game that wasn't even released to the public yet. Canceling a preorder because of IGNorant makes you no better than them.


Man, it must be nice to have all that money Compile Heart is paying you to defend that game you played absolutely no part in creating, producing or distributing!

...oh, they're not paying you? Well, at least maybe you got a free copy of the game for being such an ardent defender!

...oh, you didn't, you paid for it like everyone else?

...oh.

#3064 barrit

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 03:02 PM

Man, it must be nice to have all that money Compile Heart is paying you to defend that game you played absolutely no part in creating, producing or distributing!

...oh, they're not paying you? Well, at least maybe you got a free copy of the game for being such an ardent defender!

...oh, you didn't, you paid for it like everyone else?

...oh.


Man, it must be nice to have all that money IGN is paying you to defend their Web site!

...oh, they're not paying you? Well, at least maybe you got a free copy of the games they review!

...oh, you don't?

...oh.

#3065 Schildkrote

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 03:04 PM

Man, it must be nice to have all that money IGN is paying you to defend their Web site!

...oh, they're not paying you? Well, at least maybe you got a free copy of the games they review!

...oh, you don't?

...oh.


Oh don't get me wrong, his point was absolutely right - game reviews, like reviews of pretty much any sort of subjectively enjoyable entertainment, are completely useless. Game reviews are particularly bad because there's several proven instances where publishers have been caught paying for good reviews - see: how Giant Bomb was created.

He's just going to embarassing lengths to try to make sure someone else buys a video game.

#3066 delainez

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 03:06 PM

Damnit. Anyone got their Code of Princess in yet? I got a padded envelope in today and to my dread it had code of princess in. With the cover ripped and smashed to hell.

I think im just going to stop buying from Amazon. Their only bonus was lack of tax ans they dont even have that anymore. I dont know what their problem is but they have been shipping collectors editions in completely inadequate packaging far too often lately.

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Mine came in a box via UPS. Do you have Prime?

#3067 bojay1997

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 03:15 PM

Mine came in a box via UPS. Do you have Prime?


Mine came in a pouch as well and was dented and dinged. I have Prime. The packaging they use has nothing to do with being Prime or not. Each warehouse has a pre-set packaging formula for each item and unfortunately, living in California, we always get screwed as the Las Vegas and sometimes Kentucky warehouse always send collector's edition stuff in padded envelopes. I am down to my last five preorders on Amazon and after that, I am buying everything from Gamestop or Best Buy. I'm sick of having to go to the post office or UPS every week to return damaged stuff.

#3068 jedimario

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 03:50 PM

Mine came in a pouch as well and was dented and dinged. I have Prime. The packaging they use has nothing to do with being Prime or not. Each warehouse has a pre-set packaging formula for each item and unfortunately, living in California, we always get screwed as the Las Vegas and sometimes Kentucky warehouse always send collector's edition stuff in padded envelopes. I am down to my last five preorders on Amazon and after that, I am buying everything from Gamestop or Best Buy. I'm sick of having to go to the post office or UPS every week to return damaged stuff.


I ordered CEs like Batman Arkham Asylum, Darksiders II, BlazBlue, Dark Souls... every one has arrived damaged or dented. The worst was the Darksiders II since AMZN did not have enough stock for a replacement and it was sold out everywhere. So I am in a similar boat, after my last preorders arrive, I will no longer be using AMZN as my source of CEs.

EDIT: I also forgot to mention how this damage occurs with boxes or envelopes. In addition, I have also received PAL versions of some games with the comment: Well they're region free so what difference does it make?[Square enix point codes are not region free]

#3069 ck76

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 04:01 PM

Well IGN gave Mugen Souls a 3.9. Good thing I cancelled my preorder.


Always brings to mind when gaming magazine I subscribed to a decade ago (EGM, GamePro, Game Informer...can not remember) blasted Grandia II and gave it 4/10.

That is one of my favorite games of all time, so from then reviews became read content, know own tastes and make independent judgment.
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#3070 blinknot4

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 04:28 PM

I don't mean to interrupt the bickering, but do you experts think that the Limited Edition will be worth anything down the road? In eBay terms, anyway... ? I just don't know if NIS games are truly 'limited'.

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#3071 barrit

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 04:46 PM

I don't mean to interrupt the bickering, but do you experts think that the Limited Edition will be worth anything down the road? In eBay terms, anyway... ? I just don't know if NIS games are truly 'limited'.

http://store.nisamer...plus-Figure-Set


Most of NISA's LEs are worth a lot down the road. Once they are gone, they are gone forever. I don't think this will be the case for this game.. at least not for a while. Most of NISA's LEs are sold out weeks before release. This game is a new IP and has the whole censoring issue as well.

As you can see on their site, both the $99 figure set and the $65 LE still say 'less than 50%' of stock remaining. Both LEs have been at that level for weeks now. I usually buy NISA's LEs on release, but I cancelled mine and will buy this one down the line before they run out. If it doesn't sell out for a while, then I'm hoping they'll have a sale so I can grab it for cheaper.

#3072 Blade

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 04:54 PM

Not sure what that has to do with my point, unless you were just bringing it up as an interesting fact.


You said "there is nothing next" when there obviously is. I didn't think I'd need to spell that out for you. It's just human nature to fight until there's nothing left to fight for; we call it "entropy."
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 05:40 PM

You said "there is nothing next" when there obviously is. I didn't think I'd need to spell that out for you. It's just human nature to fight until there's nothing left to fight for; we call it "entropy."


Using other countries as examples is stupid. Other countries don't allow women any rights. Other countries have allowed polygamy for years. Are we going to follow in their footsteps too? No major organization here is petitioning for the right to marry a horse and nome will start if gay marriage is legalized.

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#3074 storino03

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:07 PM

My Code of Princess came in a box, the folded cardboard type, which is still better than bubble mailers. I've complained enough times through partial refunds and replacements that they seem to finally be listening and notating individual accounts for the proper packaging. Trust me, not everyone is as anal as me.
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#3075 Zaku77

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:19 PM

I haven't played Mugen Souls yet, but I thought it was a well known fact that sites like IGN (or most review sites, really) are worthless for JRPG reviews. They will wax on and on about random battles, too much exposition, not Unreal 3 graphics, etc. They are a joke and deserve to be treated as such. I'm not at all surprised that something as niche as this got a bad score from them.

It could also, of course, be a shitty game. I would just need to hear that from somewhere else to believe it... lol

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#3076 deadkode

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:21 PM

the compile heart games have been getting better. mugen souls looks like it has some interesting combat at least.

I ordered the crazy edition, supposed to ship on the 17th I guess.

#3077 bojay1997

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:29 PM

My Code of Princess came in a box, the folded cardboard type, which is still better than bubble mailers. I've complained enough times through partial refunds and replacements that they seem to finally be listening and notating individual accounts for the proper packaging. Trust me, not everyone is as anal as me.


Actually, they didn't annotate your account. You just got lucky that the warehouse that shipped yours designed the fold over mailer as the right way to send it. Amazon refuses to do special handling and has zero ability to override packaging selection for individual buyers.

#3078 Soma_Cruz

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:32 PM

I haven't played Mugen Souls yet, but I thought it was a well known fact that sites like IGN (or most review sites, really) are worthless for JRPG reviews. They will wax on and on about random battles, too much exposition, not Unreal 3 graphics, etc. They are a joke and deserve to be treated as such. I'm not at all surprised that something as niche as this got a bad score from them.

It could also, of course, be a shitty game. I would just need to hear that from somewhere else to believe it... lol


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#3079 Zaku77

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:35 PM

http://www.rpgamer.c...soulstrev1.html

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I think they score games far too harshly, but who really cares about the score? The content of their reviews is usually quite good. They seem to really dislike this game! haha

Actually, they didn't annotate your account. You just got lucky that the warehouse that shipped yours designed the fold over mailer as the right way to send it. Amazon refuses to do special handling and has zero ability to override packaging selection for individual buyers.


This is, unfortunately, 100% true. Many CS reps will lie about this and say they have annotated it, or will send over a note, but that is 100% false.

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#3080 deadkode

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:43 PM

here are some of the positive reviews, obviously the game isn't for everybody. it's like hyperdimension neptunia, most will hate it, some will like it. you know what you're getting into with a compile heart game though.

http://gamingillustr...uls-ps3-review/

http://nilbid.com/20...n-souls-review/

http://www.psillustr...-souls-ps3.html

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#3081 Soma_Cruz

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:46 PM

here are some of the positive reviews, obviously the game isn't for everybody. it's like hyperdimension neptunia, most will hate it, some will like it. you know what you're getting into with a compile heart game though.


Yep, I'd buy it now if there weren't other games I want coming out. Since there are, Mugen Souls will have to wait.

#3082 slainviper

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 01:02 AM

Most of NISA's LEs are worth a lot down the road. Once they are gone, they are gone forever. I don't think this will be the case for this game.. at least not for a while. Most of NISA's LEs are sold out weeks before release. This game is a new IP and has the whole censoring issue as well.

As you can see on their site, both the $99 figure set and the $65 LE still say 'less than 50%' of stock remaining. Both LEs have been at that level for weeks now. I usually buy NISA's LEs on release, but I cancelled mine and will buy this one down the line before they run out. If it doesn't sell out for a while, then I'm hoping they'll have a sale so I can grab it for cheaper.


Didn't the Atelier Meruru limited edition not sell out until the last day and then immediately start being sold for double price on Ebay?

#3083 storino03

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:39 AM

It sold out maybe a week or two before release. While Meruru LE may not be double/triple the price right now, it most likely will never be its actual retail release price ever again (same with most of the others).
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#3084 lutz

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:42 AM

Mugen souls is not as good HDN or the Atelier series. I remain skeptical that scalpers will benefit greatly from this investment. Cheezy JRPG has a niche just right for this kind of market, but Mugen Souls is a niche within a niche with all the pedo related stuff.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:48 AM

I decided to pass as well, I barely even touched HDN and HDN2 yet, and I'm STILL sitting on Trinity Universe too lol. Plus the reviews and controversy are making me think this one might be a flop (Plus I have 0 hype ever since it was announced).

Might change my mind, but theres other stuff I see myself playing more.
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#3086 outerfox

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 05:03 AM

I haven't played Mugen Souls yet, but I thought it was a well known fact that sites like IGN (or most review sites, really) are worthless for JRPG reviews. They will wax on and on about random battles, too much exposition, not Unreal 3 graphics, etc. They are a joke and deserve to be treated as such. I'm not at all surprised that something as niche as this got a bad score from them.

It could also, of course, be a shitty game. I would just need to hear that from somewhere else to believe it... lol


RPGamer gave it a 1 our of 5. Not sure how much I place my value of their opinion since I haven't even thought of that place since I used to frequent RPGFan and LunarNET back in 1999/2000 era.

IGN is notorious for giving people some of these niche games to review who are either: A. Not a fan of the genre or B. Who dislike anything that doesn't have superb graphics. In fact, it kind of reminds me of X-Play. Who would completely trash an RPG, just because it had sprites instead of "realistic" characters. I mean, it's no different than someone who only listens to Death or Epic Metal, to give them a country music CD to review and expect a fair review from it.

I haven't played Mugen Souls yet, NIS took the money out of my account for the $65 version already, but I'm pretty sure it's not going to be the "Brutal Gaming Massacre" IGN made it out to be. I mean it could be god awful, but most of the NIS games I've played haven't been atrocious. Battle systems are usually funky, but for the most part they've been pretty decent. I'll find out whenever it gets here next week I suppose.

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#3087 kayne2000

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 05:28 AM

having read some of the mugen soul reviews it seems there are some valid complaints.

terrible loading, terrible framerate, a battle system that apparently gives little reason to peon people and use moves because the basic ones work fine and a late game difficulty spike....granted this game might not be IGN terrible but it probably isnt fantastic either....though i could be wrong. and i admit i would probably like this game more as i am an anime fan.

that said i think im waiting on this game this holiday season has entirely too many other things i know i am getting and will play immediately.

#3088 Kenshindono

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 06:27 AM

Mine came in a box via UPS. Do you have Prime?


nope, but dont think that matters. Seems like some distribution centers just suck ass. I guess a lot here in California are garbage. Mine came from Vegas it seems. Im actually pissed. After calling Amazon they said they cant even guarantee the replacement wont be shipped out in the same package! Theres no way to change it at all... seriously? Thats ridiculously crappy customer service. I think ium pretty much done getting any special editions from Amazon ever again at this point

and @ those talking about IGN's review of Mugen Souls.. its possible the game is indeed crap but please dont rely on them for RPG reviews (real rpgs, not the latest Final fantasy or some crap like that) As mentioned they seem horribly biased against them. They always bash them for not changing enough or being stale.. then go ahead and give the next and latest madden or whatever generic FPS is out that month a friggin 9.0. I guess a turn based battle system is derivitive and stale, but the new gears of war game is totally new and fresh because it has 2 new enemy types to shoot! YAY! *eyeroll*

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#3089 Jedi_Amara

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:55 PM

My Code of Princess came in a box, the folded cardboard type, which is still better than bubble mailers. I've complained enough times through partial refunds and replacements that they seem to finally be listening and notating individual accounts for the proper packaging. Trust me, not everyone is as anal as me.


I don't think getting partial refunds/replacements actually goes through to the packaging department itself. You should (also) submit packaging feedback in the actual section for it http://www.amazon.co...odeId=200325950

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 01:10 PM

^i live in cali too and had the same prob as him. packaging feedback doesn't help and neither does complaining. if you request a 2nd replacement they will say "it's going to be shipped the same way so I won't trouble you with a replacement, just return for refund"... I don't order from amazon anymore if it's something I'm worried about getting damaged

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