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#2341 elessar123

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 12:08 AM

It's pervert scenes with what appear to be 5 year old children. Why are people not fully grasping the weight of that distinction? This is not a violence vs. sex debate. It really isn't. If this discussion was happening in regards to DoA: Extreme Beach Volleyball, then all those points become extremely valid. It isn't, though!


Why? The point is, they're both fake.

What I just really really really don't get is why some of you defend things offensive to others, and bash what you so find offensive yourselves.

#2342 Zaku77

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 12:11 AM

No, dear God, no. That is not the point at all. We are discussing the right to free speech and obvious immorality of pseudo loli-hentai. There is absolutely no space in that argument for "it's fake". That goes without saying, and doesn't matter!

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 12:12 AM

It's pervert scenes with what appear to be 5 year old children. Why are people not fully grasping the weight of that distinction? This is not a violence vs. sex debate. It really isn't. If this discussion was happening in regards to DoA: Extreme Beach Volleyball, for example, then all those points become extremely valid. It isn't, though!


They have realized it. They're simply repressing it so they don't have to face the fact that they're creepers.

#2344 Zaku77

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 12:14 AM

I won't go as far as say anyone in here is a creeper. As soon as name calling starts all 'attempts' at logical discussion usually stop. I will say, however, that the banner of free speech is fairly convenient for these types of things. Isn't that what keeps the NAMBLA website open? Take that as you will...

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 12:16 AM

Why? The point is, they're both fake.

What I just really really really don't get is why some of you defend things offensive to others, and bash what you so find offensive yourselves.


Because there is a certain agreement that we have as a society about what is morally appropriate and everyone agrees that sexualizing children is not appropriate. Violence is admittedly offensive to some people, but as a society we don't have that same agreement that it's morally wrong.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 12:18 AM

We're already past logic. No matter how many times you bring up the "pedophilia" argument, it's ignored and avoided.

Anyway, I speak very sarcastically. My language and "name calling" is just my manner of speaking, I suppose. Just being honest. I calls it as I sees it. My friends call me a furry because I liked putting cat/bunny ears and tails on my girlfriends. Shit, I call myself a furry. I don't dig beastiality, but I do find Makoto Nanaya from BlazBlue hot. I call my friend who calls himself a "lolicon" a creeper, because he is a creeper. He likes all the little girls in video games.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 12:22 AM

Haha, that's alright. It takes all types. (even pedos based on some of the comments vehemently defending this. ;3) Bojay put it very adequately. I find it silly that anyone would even consider this topic debate fodder. Who dives into a debate that is blatantly one sided, and leaves you looking like a socially/morally ignorant pedophile? lol

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 12:31 AM

I totally hate censorship too. But there's just some things that don't belong in video games.

When games have killing, they usually don't involve innocent people. Regardless, the killing usually directly ties into the fabric of the video game. It's strategy. In Gears of War, I'm not killing people for the sake of killing people. I'm killing people to win the game. Even if I go on a destruction rampage in GTA:IV, where I end up slaughtering random people. It's usually just to see how much damage and unrealistic, hilarious carnage that I can cause within the limits of the game.

Fondling little girls... I mean... it just seems there's only one endgame. I seriously doubt you're trying to act like a mother bathing her child when you're doing it.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 12:45 AM

Because there is a certain agreement that we have as a society about what is morally appropriate and everyone agrees that sexualizing children is not appropriate. Violence is admittedly offensive to some people, but as a society we don't have that same agreement that it's morally wrong.


I disagree because things like "Toddlers and Tiaras" exists on basic cable, now that's offensive.


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Posted 01 June 2012 - 12:55 AM

I disagree because things like "Toddlers and Tiaras" exists on basic cable, now that's offensive.


Is that that show where mothers dress-up their daughters in gobs of makeup and diva clothing and have them parade around to fulfill their own desires?

I find that offensive too. I think I saw my aunt watching it once.

#2351 elessar123

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 01:07 AM

I find naked babies on TV in bad taste, and kid pageant shows. I don't find obviously fake drawings offensive, because I can tell the difference.

Which is why I wonder why you people get so riled up about it. I find rape in movies disturbing, yet it's ok. I find it weird that underage girls can pose nude, as long as it's on the silver screen.

Guess what, people are offended by different things.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 01:10 AM

Do Japanese people not have the same sensitivity about this issue? Virtually all Americans/Europeans feel this issue is badbadbad.

#2353 Zaku77

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 01:10 AM

Neither of the things you listed are considered across the board as 100% unacceptable. In fact, naked baby butts are usually just considered cute. You are also still grinding the ax of "it's fake". It is impossible to debate with a person when they blatantly ignore all points that are being made! Stop wub wubbing, and start reading!

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#2354 kayne2000

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 01:12 AM

Personally I do think these scenes are a bit much, but the fact that they're being censored is far more offensive to me than the actual content


this this this!!!!!!! while that video did look like child porn really. the fact is it is fake and no actual children were fondled during the making of that scene as far as i know(if some were then yes this scene needs to be removed but the news of it and therefore the scene should be fully avaiable as the news needs to tell the whole ugly truth). censorship is a far greater offense than whatever is being censored in every single case. as much as i hate how rule 34 has ruined my life and God knows it has the fact is censoring rule 34 is far more offensive than anything rule 34 has ever conceived.

1000 times this.

Something like showing the raping of an adult is perfectly ok in our society, but suggestive drawings are not. WTF?


also this. society is hypocritical about what is offensive what is not. skyrim we cant have the kids killable but we can kill everyone else! we cant sell AO rated games in stores but google + porn + fetish is far ore offensive than any AO game could ever hope to be and nobody calls the porn out on it. or porn is ok but prositution is not. GTA is acceptable but that hot coffee scene in san andreas is not. its like in one instance boobies are ok and in the next it is not. dont get me wrong im not saying all of this is good i just find it maddening that that scene is offensive yet killing the endless hordes of people in GTA is not or better yet replace them with aliens like halo and then nobody bats an eye.

#2355 Zaku77

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 01:15 AM

The devil is in the details, good sir. When you choose to gloss over them the world becomes a grey, confusing mess of misplaced morals and confused sensitivity. Try re-reading many of the fine points made in the past couple of pages, and really pay attention to the details. It clears up what you're confused about, and will help put things in a better perspective.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 01:22 AM

In my opinion this isn't really a censorship issue in the sense that I think of it. This isn't like the government telling them they can't bring it over and it has to be changed, it is a business decision. Sony and Microsoft don't want AO games and I imagine that would especially include adult situations with extremely young children.

If NIS thinks it would be worthwhile to them ($) to bring over even in a censored form then they will do it. Now onto the whole real vs. fake, etc. (not particularly this game, but people who are very "into" Lolicons and sexually charged drawings and stories of prepubescent children)

Since it is a drawing, and nobody is being exploited and abused then it shouldn't be illegal, but in my opinion you are still a very "odd" individual. I still will never forget the ALotD on SA from around 10 years ago where a bunch of people who loved children would write about their fantasies, show drawings, etc. You are free to enjoy such "artwork", but I wouldn't want you hanging around my kids (if I had them), much in the same way I wouldn't want you hanging around them (my nonexistent kids) if you got your jollies playing some of those PC rape-sims.

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#2357 elessar123

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 01:34 AM

In my opinion this isn't really a censorship issue in tSince it is a drawing, and nobody is being exploited and abused then it shouldn't be illegal, but in my opinion you are still a very "odd" individual. I still will never forget the ALotD on SA from around 10 years ago where a bunch of people who loved children would write about their fantasies, show drawings, etc. You are free to enjoy such "artwork", but I wouldn't want you hanging around my kids (if I had them), much in the same way I wouldn't want you hanging around them (my nonexistent kids) if you got your jollies playing some of those PC rape-sims.


An argument I can get behind. I think people who like gratuitous violence are weird too. I'm not saying to outlaw it; I'm just saying (for the third time), people are offended by different things.

Because it's fake, it doesn't bother me much. When it's real, it disturbs me. If you can't understand that, fine. But saying something something is fake isn't a valid argument is quite stupid, imo.

I have more of a problem with intoxicated manslaughter, but I bet they'd get off easier than people with "lolicon", and most people in this thread probably think the same way. That's what western society says. But sorry, but that doesn't make ANY sense to me.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 01:37 AM

On an ON-TOPIC note, got Meruru in today.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 01:48 AM

I don't get how this is even an argument. Pornagraphy of any kind featuring those under the age of 18 is illegal in the United States. How is it surpising that NISA decided to remove borderline illegal content from one of its games? From a purely business stand point it makes sense, because if someone at FOX News ever saw something like this, NISA would have a P.R. Night mare on their hands.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 02:01 AM

Why does anyone want this crap in their game anyway? God. Go watch hentai or something, it's the same stimulus.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 02:06 AM

Got my copies of meruru today... perfect condition, wrapped nicely in bubble wrap. w00t!! Ok, who's got a rorona soundtrack for me now?? =)

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 02:12 AM

Do Japanese people not have the same sensitivity about this issue? Virtually all Americans/Europeans feel this issue is badbadbad.


Actually, the majority of Japan does feel this way. People don't openly admit to liking this kind of content in public. It's why you see the fandom online only. If they were to admit it openly in public, they would be ridiculed by their peers. I think the main thing that's being lost here is that this type of content is part of a niche culture that Japanese anime/video game makers are able to exploit. That's why it seems to be considered ok to foreigners. It's a business that is culturally accepted there.

The words culturally and business are what is important. In terms of the West, neither of those fly with either of those aspects. Not to mention the more stringent laws on depicting children in sexual acts even if they are not real. NISA is proactively making a decision that will ensure they can actually release this game here without having to lose money by editing its content down the road. This isn't the first time this has happened and won't be the last simply because of cultural and business differences. You might not like it, but that's the way it works.

This. Anyone that missed out but still would like a copy should email CS about getting on a waiting list. If it operates like in the past, they'll release what are most likely the "reserve for exchanges" copies to those people.

Though I'm surprised this one sold out so quickly considering how long Totori sat in their store. I actually think that the LE poster that came with that set just went out of stock this month. So they must be shrinking their runs with each game they're releasing.


I've tried getting in touch with them, but they haven't replied to my inquiry.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 03:33 AM

Got my copies of meruru today... perfect condition, wrapped nicely in bubble wrap. w00t!! Ok, who's got a rorona soundtrack for me now?? =)


Wow, I haven't gotten mine yet, and I got the confirmation well before you lol

Good luck on that Rorona ost though...

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 04:59 AM

Actually, the majority of Japan does feel this way. People don't openly admit to liking this kind of content in public. It's why you see the fandom online only. If they were to admit it openly in public, they would be ridiculed by their peers. I think the main thing that's being lost here is that this type of content is part of a niche culture that Japanese anime/video game makers are able to exploit. That's why it seems to be considered ok to foreigners. It's a business that is culturally accepted there.

The words culturally and business are what is important. In terms of the West, neither of those fly with either of those aspects. Not to mention the more stringent laws on depicting children in sexual acts even if they are not real. NISA is proactively making a decision that will ensure they can actually release this game here without having to lose money by editing its content down the road. This isn't the first time this has happened and won't be the last simply because of cultural and business differences. You might not like it, but that's the way it works.



I've tried getting in touch with them, but they haven't replied to my inquiry.


Yeah, that's not the case. If you have lived in Japan, and I have, you could not possibly claim this is some sort of hidden dark underground niche because it's not. Most people probably don't understand that it was censorship that caused this unusual. to the rest of the world, art style to take root in the first place either, because that would actually require doing some research on the matter.

I also think people need to research the terms being thrown around on here because drawings don't typically fit most of them.

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Anyway, Xenoblades and Last Story, I know the second isn't out yet but are there any comparisons about these two. I am likely to buy one in a couple of months, just not sure which.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 05:07 AM

Did anyone's Atelier Meruru LE get lost in the mail?


Mine did as well and I emailed NIS about it but yet to hear from them, mine says it was delivered on 5/29 but i never recieved it! Iam very bummed.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 06:13 AM

Meruru, like HD Neptunia MK2 is 2x to 2.5x the price of the original release on ebay. Potential gains there.
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 10:06 AM

Meruru, like HD Neptunia MK2 is 2x to 2.5x the price of the original release on ebay. Potential gains there.


Anyone want to sell one for cost?


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Posted 01 June 2012 - 11:15 AM

Anyone want to sell one for cost?


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Posted 01 June 2012 - 11:18 AM

Anyway, Xenoblades and Last Story, I know the second isn't out yet but are there any comparisons about these two. I am likely to buy one in a couple of months, just not sure which.

I'm in a PAL region so both games are released here. I haven't had time to play them yet (exams/study etc) but a lot of my friends have and they say that Xenoblade is by far the better of the two; apparently TLS is good but gets boring.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 01:05 PM

I'm in a PAL region so both games are released here. I haven't had time to play them yet (exams/study etc) but a lot of my friends have and they say that Xenoblade is by far the better of the two; apparently TLS is good but gets boring.



I imported the PAL Last Story and Xenoblade and I will second this. If you can get both I would say do so, but if it's a choice between the two then there's no question in my mind that Xenoblade is the superior game experience (even if Last Story is visually superior).

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