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#3331 SEH

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 03:00 AM

Viktor has so much burst it is insane


Yeah, I'm surprised how good he is now, considering how trash he was when he got released. One of the top mid-laners I think.

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#3332 Sir_Fragalot

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 06:41 AM

So I had a hilarious Panth today. He went jungle, at about 7 minutes in he gets a gank on our bot lane and then bitches at us horribly because we did not want to take the tower at 7 minutes in to give them the extra farm that comes with it, that and I was low mana as support soraka. So we knew this Panth was a problem and this whole game was telling people why they suck apparently (although he was horrible and feeding). Now I know it's the whole team's job to ward, but Mr. Pro here never said anything about the baron not being warded and how they got the 2-3 free baron kills because I was the only one with wards this game and could not ward baron every 3 seconds it's up :lol:.

Although the game before that, we wrecked a bottom lane as AD Corki and Soraka Support and dominated the game.
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#3333 Waughoo

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 01:19 PM

Had 2 good games last night, won them both. I'm off the next couple days so I might be on more.
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#3334 crystalklear64

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 01:49 PM

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#3335 PrinnyOtaku

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 03:59 PM

this is going to blow your mind but you can actually win games without the "expected" roles


If I wanted to dick around, I'd queue with friends. I don't solo queue so people can try their fucked up builds or play some stupid ass comp that is straight up countered by the other team.

If you want to play vs. a poke team when you have no initiate, that's fine. I don't like an uphill battle when I have no idea how good or shitty my team is.

Having 40 minutes of my time wasted because the team refuses to surrender when I could've just eyeballed the situation at champ select is not worth it to me.

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#3336 Sir_Fragalot

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 06:34 AM

Yeah, I'm surprised how good he is now, considering how trash he was when he got released. One of the top mid-laners I think.

Yeah I played against a Victor who raped me mid the other day and my friends still think Victor is trash. I keep hearing them saying oh Victor is shit when my past two games I midded against him, we lost horribly.

I been playing with a friend an AD Corki/Soraka bot lane and for the past few times we been doing it, even if the rest of the team is trash, we would always win our bot lane. I mean yeah he is a good Corki, but just the sustain Soraka gives Corki with the combination of Corki's ult is damn nice. I also like the champs who sit right at the tower and think they can't die until they get one of Corki's ult missiles.
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#3337 Waughoo

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 01:42 PM

Victor is a pain in the ass. His laser does really decent damage early game and is up like every 13 seconds. You have to have a decent ranged ability that can outpoke his Power Transfer's range, while just plain avoiding his Laser. Once he hits 6 though, they usually seem to roam for ganks a lot. So if people ward and stop pushing out when he's mia, it shouldnt be a big deal. The thing is though, people group up too much and he just uses Gravity Field for zoning, and tosses his ult into the group. Then he ends up with some kills, and spends the rest of the game at the back of team fights where you cant reach him, but he's still getting all the kills.


I had 3 games last night. First two went extremely well. I was in a 5 premade, and we were like winning all our lanes every game. Then the last game, we're doing alright. I'm mid against a Veigar who is pissing me off because I had him down to like 6 health 3 different times >:( But I'm still winning the lane, and the other lanes are ok. Then one of our guys DCs. He's on chat with us, and League will not let him back into the game. Now we're stuck in a 4v5. They keep sending 3 mid and one to each other lane. We really cant hold off the 3 mid with just 2 people, so they are getting a free tower every team fight. And Viegar is now free farming. He's getting to the point where if he lands his snare, someone will die every time. But, we cant get to him cause he's always at the back of fights. So we end up surrendering thanks to League's buggy game rejoining features :(


We tried a new voice chat program last night called Dolby Axon, and it's not bad. I havent decided if it's better than Skype yet, but does have some nice features. For one, it looks like the chat stays open even if the call leader leaves. Thats great because now you do not have to start a whole new session just because someone leaves. It also seems like it's less of a resource hog, and doesnt do all the pointless bullshit Skype does. Like, everytime I start Skype it opens my last conversation.... why would I want that? Axon also doenst do any of the Facebook crap Skype does, again, why would I need that?

One weird thing Axon does that I dont really see a need for is that it does voice positioning for the call group. When you get into a call, you are placed on a grid with the other people. If person A is to the left of you on the grid, you will hear them to the left. If someone is below you and to the right, thats where you will hear them. Its a neat feature, but I dont really see if being useful for most games. The IS an option to shut it off, which is what I did.

I suggest everyone using Skype/Vent/Teamspeak give it a go. It's free and pretty easy to set up.
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#3338 SEH

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 04:30 PM

Mumble, plain and simple. Light program that uses virtually no resources. Got a 100 slot server that my friend is hosting at the moment and I wouldn't even think about using anything else. The ONLY thing it doesn't have, which both Vent and TS do, is the ability to individually lower the volume on someone. Its really not that big of an issue though since Mumble detects voice levels and auto-adjusts, but I'd still like them to eventually implement it.

That said, Mumbles pings are WAY better than any Vent or TS I've ever used (even in the same locations). I ping 12 to our Chicago Mumble, but a Chicago based Vent or TS I get a 30-40 ping. Doesn't sound like much, but we mainly play Counter Strike and what not, so latency is a big deal in terms of calling out positions.

I'm not a fan of P2P programs for voice chat, as you get stuck using whatever shit internet the host has. I'd rather use a server that's made for multiple people to connect to.

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#3339 luxuria

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 05:24 PM

This weeks free champion rotation:

Galio
Morgana
Dr.Mundo
Viktor
Poppy
Skarner
Alistar
Kogmaw
Teemo
Heimerdinger

There are going to be so many Mundo and Skarner junglers this week. x.x

#3340 ExplodingRat

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 05:24 PM

I've been maining Viktor a little more, recently. I bought him when he first came out, and he was a little weak then.

His laser does tons of damage, and I love at least getting my ult off in a team fight, before I get focused. It sticks around WAY too long after death, and gotten me plenty of kills.
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#3341 Sir_Fragalot

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 05:55 PM

I really have to try Viktor this week. He looks pretty fun, and I need to see for myself how good he is now.
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#3342 SEH

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 05:55 PM

Only one on that list I dont own is Viktor. I've wanted to give him a go since they buffed the shit out of him, so that should be fun.

Any word yet on when the Hecarim patch will come out? Last time I saw them say anything about it was like 3-4 days ago.

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#3343 Genocidal

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 06:17 PM

They've been throwing some more of the less often free champs into rotation the past couple of weeks. Maybe we'll see Shaco soon.
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#3344 panzerfaust

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 07:42 PM

This game needs a way out of games before the 20 minute mark. If someone leaves or is afk, the surrender vote should be shortened. They've fixed so many aspects of this game but still, nothing in regards to fixing the 4v5 situation.

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#3345 SEH

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 07:45 PM

Agreed. I also feel like votes that end in 3-2 should pass. Tired of playing games where two people queue up together and troll the Fuck out of your team and you can't surrender because in LOL fantasy land, 60% isn't the majority.

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#3346 PrinnyOtaku

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 07:56 PM

Hecarim should be out this week. Was messing around with him on PBE, built him like a bruiser with FrAtMog, and TriForce. Very easy to set up ganks by E'ing behind a minion wave and charging the enemy, Alistar-style.

Was messing around with getting a Rylai for pretty much 100% uptime on an AoE slow but that's a stretch...

Screw Hecarim though, I want Varus >.<

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#3347 hustletron

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:06 PM

I started playing again last week, I need some team mates to play with seriously, as in seriously try and win but not seriously freak out over losing.

I've been using only free champs while I build my IP, I've been maining Veigar and alternating with Xin and Ashe.

Add me if anyone wants to team up: Hustletron

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#3348 luxuria

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:17 PM

I hate trolls in Ranked games.

Some people need to get punched in the face for wasting four other's time. Feel like trolling? PUNCH. >_> Just had a guy go "top or feed" so we, the team and I, decided to let him go top. He chose Jarvan which isn't bad at all. He goes and feeds a Jax four kills and then says he has to go and disconnects. Oh, all this while talking crap.

#3349 crystalklear64

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:10 PM

Mumble, plain and simple. Light program that uses virtually no resources. Got a 100 slot server that my friend is hosting at the moment and I wouldn't even think about using anything else. The ONLY thing it doesn't have, which both Vent and TS do, is the ability to individually lower the volume on someone. Its really not that big of an issue though since Mumble detects voice levels and auto-adjusts, but I'd still like them to eventually implement it.

That said, Mumbles pings are WAY better than any Vent or TS I've ever used (even in the same locations). I ping 12 to our Chicago Mumble, but a Chicago based Vent or TS I get a 30-40 ping. Doesn't sound like much, but we mainly play Counter Strike and what not, so latency is a big deal in terms of calling out positions.

I'm not a fan of P2P programs for voice chat, as you get stuck using whatever shit internet the host has. I'd rather use a server that's made for multiple people to connect to.

Hows is the voice quality for mumble? The reason I hated vent and ts was because of how shitty everyone sounds even if you have good hardware. Skype sounds crystal klear if you have quality equipment and the host is not a laggy piece of shit. Vent and TS sound like shit no matter what, so if mumble is like TS/vent as in a server with the quality of skype, I'd switch in a heartbeat.

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#3350 crystalklear64

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:22 PM

Agreed. I also feel like votes that end in 3-2 should pass. Tired of playing games where two people queue up together and troll the Fuck out of your team and you can't surrender because in LOL fantasy land, 60% isn't the majority.

I think even "good" LoL players give up way too quickly. Deaths and CS mean so little in LoL compared to other games and next patch is going to introduce a rubberband thing (which I laughed about when I heard as if LoL wasn't easy enough on failure...).

Have you never been in solo queue where your entire team fails and you buckle down and farm and end up winning because the other team is also bad, just slightly better than the tards and your team? Sure its not fun to do that every game, but the point is that it is so ridiculously easy to make comebacks in LoL against most players and its about to get even easier.

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#3351 Sir_Fragalot

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:23 PM

This game needs a way out of games before the 20 minute mark. If someone leaves or is afk, the surrender vote should be shortened. They've fixed so many aspects of this game but still, nothing in regards to fixing the 4v5 situation.

I agree. There needs to be something to fix the problem of some asshole rage quits, goes afk or you are just getting stomped so hard you know your team wont come back. I mean I want to stay if my team has players who at least understand the champ they are playing, but if my team is full of fucking retards I don't want to stay and have to deal with it, lol.
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#3352 crystalklear64

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:32 PM

I agree. There needs to be something to fix the problem of some asshole rage quits, goes afk or you are just getting stomped so hard you know your team wont come back. I mean I want to stay if my team has players who at least understand the champ they are playing, but if my team is full of fucking retards I don't want to stay and have to deal with it, lol.

ask them what the problem is and how you can help. you'll usually get something like "renekton fucking op 1v1 impossible" so you'll have to be knowledgeable yourself about the entire flow of the game. so renekton is getting free kills and farm, how is this going to effect the game in the short term and the long term. does it matter that your lanewick is getting shutdown by him? this is your chance to set yourself apart from the "tards." it is so easy just to say Oh man this guy is so bad I get stuck with failures I have to play the game for 5 people. do something about it. you might not be feeding as hard as your team but if you can't do anything about it its almost as bad.

and i'm not saying this like i'm the god of LoL. i take the easy way out sometimes too, but it doesn't ever help anything, i still lose, i get nothing from that game.

this is actually where I think an achievement system would help if riot implements it right (lololololol). give players goals they can achieve in a game that promotes good gameplay so even if things are looking bad they have something tangible to work for.

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#3353 Sir_Fragalot

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:51 PM

ask them what the problem is and how you can help. you'll usually get something like "renekton fucking op 1v1 impossible" so you'll have to be knowledgeable yourself about the entire flow of the game. so renekton is getting free kills and farm, how is this going to effect the game in the short term and the long term. does it matter that your lanewick is getting shutdown by him? this is your chance to set yourself apart from the "tards." it is so easy just to say Oh man this guy is so bad I get stuck with failures I have to play the game for 5 people. do something about it. you might not be feeding as hard as your team but if you can't do anything about it its almost as bad.

and i'm not saying this like i'm the god of LoL. i take the easy way out sometimes too, but it doesn't ever help anything, i still lose, i get nothing from that game.

this is actually where I think an achievement system would help if riot implements it right (lololololol). give players goals they can achieve in a game that promotes good gameplay so even if things are looking bad they have something tangible to work for.

I mean I like to help whenever possible, but those situations usually never come up for me. About 75% of the time, my luck is if me or my friends try to help someone politely, they usually get all defensive like oh your trying to help me, well stfu I don't need it. I mean I want to promote good gameplay and such but I just never have the players who are willing to listen, it's always hey your doing x thing incorrectly, and then they get pissed/rage at us/make it worse so it ends up them harassing us.
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#3354 SEH

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 12:28 AM

Hows is the voice quality for mumble? The reason I hated vent and ts was because of how shitty everyone sounds even if you have good hardware. Skype sounds crystal klear if you have quality equipment and the host is not a laggy piece of shit. Vent and TS sound like shit no matter what, so if mumble is like TS/vent as in a server with the quality of skype, I'd switch in a heartbeat.


I think the sound quality is fine. Our server runs 96kbit/s and everyone sounds great (well, aside from those who have shitty mics). I've never had a quality issue with Vent or TS though. Are you sure the server you were using had max audio quality? I know in Vent if you keep the Speex at default everything sounds like ass.

I think even "good" LoL players give up way too quickly. Deaths and CS mean so little in LoL compared to other games and next patch is going to introduce a rubberband thing (which I laughed about when I heard as if LoL wasn't easy enough on failure...).

Have you never been in solo queue where your entire team fails and you buckle down and farm and end up winning because the other team is also bad, just slightly better than the tards and your team? Sure its not fun to do that every game, but the point is that it is so ridiculously easy to make comebacks in LoL against most players and its about to get even easier.


I've been in those games where people all want to quit, but I'm able to farm enough to carry it. I've done it a handful of times with Nasus. However, the times that happens are very few and far between. Usually its my friends and I get paired with two assholes that blatantly feed/troll/talk shit, then troll the vote so we wind up being stuck in a bullshit game for 40 minutes.

Also, gotta love Riot not updating anyone or anything on the Hecarim patch. I know Riot is pretty much a clusterfuck company, but is it really that hard to keep your playerbase updated? Even just a "things are still being ironed out" post would be fine. Instead it's complete silence since like Thursday night.

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#3355 crystalklear64

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 12:33 AM

I mean I like to help whenever possible, but those situations usually never come up for me. About 75% of the time, my luck is if me or my friends try to help someone politely, they usually get all defensive like oh your trying to help me, well stfu I don't need it. I mean I want to promote good gameplay and such but I just never have the players who are willing to listen, it's always hey your doing x thing incorrectly, and then they get pissed/rage at us/make it worse so it ends up them harassing us.

yea i'm like that too and i may continue to act like an asshole when you give me advice, but if it makes sense, i won't admit that i'm going to take your advice, but i'll still try it. that way if i end up turning it around i can claim it was all me. so it still helps to put advice out there. and obviously don't say shit like stop feeding or don't be bad. no shit. that will set off so many people. you want a sure way to lose a player, tell them to stop feeding.

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#3356 SEH

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 12:34 AM

I mean I like to help whenever possible, but those situations usually never come up for me. About 75% of the time, my luck is if me or my friends try to help someone politely, they usually get all defensive like oh your trying to help me, well stfu I don't need it. I mean I want to promote good gameplay and such but I just never have the players who are willing to listen, it's always hey your doing x thing incorrectly, and then they get pissed/rage at us/make it worse so it ends up them harassing us.


This is literally 99% of the games I play.

:Has an X top lane getting shutdown by champion Y:

Me - "Hey top, try to play a bit more passive, just sit on the tower and try to get farm where you can. Dont over-extend and give them free kills. All you have to do is hold your lane, give us time to get our towers down, then we can come help."

Top - "FUCK YOU DUDE YOU SUCK WHY DONT YOU GO KILL YOURSELF."

Top in all-chat - "Hey guys, report my team for harrasing me and trying to tell me how to play"

Me - "Why do I play this game?"

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#3357 crystalklear64

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 12:40 AM

another thing to remember is that while you play lots of games and get those players in them often, they are not the same person as the feeder from your last game. its easy to get frustrated after a few games like that but remember the people you are getting matched with might be their first game of the day. don't dump your stuff from other games into your current game.

i'm just throwing this stuff out there because its what i do to try to make myself a better player. not for riot or the community, Fuck riot and double Fuck the community. i don't even play solo queue anymore. its because i don't like being an asshole to my friends.

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#3358 PrinnyOtaku

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 02:05 AM

I mean, there's a difference between randoms in solo/duo and friends.

I get what you mean though. I was diamond in solo SC2 but I played 2s with my friends and I bitched them out so hard they ragequit on me multiple times. But at the very least, they were okay with being critiqued and wanted to improve.

Same thing with leading raids in WoW, you need to push your "friends" or guildies to be better. I don't have any friends who I play LoL with who are too stubborn to take advice.

But that's not the case with pugs. Just last game, I duo queued with a friend into a premade. Our Riven didn't want a mirror matchup top lane, so he insisted that he and Morg switch. So Riven ended up vs. AP TF mid and went 0/8 while TF went 7/0 and Maokai 6/0.

Now we both told him he can't lane vs. TF with a Maokai jungler, but he didn't care. He just "hates to play vs. the same champ." There is no drive to get better, no desire to play one position correctly. It's just, hey I want to play this champ I don't care what lane I'm in.

Another game where we're down 10 kills after maybe 12-15 minutes. The whole team decides to all mid and teamfight them while enemy Garen is split pushing top, and I'm stuck ~trying~ to farm bottom.

They lose 4v4 because, obviously, they're more fed and farmed. I pinged our Ashe and Garen to go top and bot to farm, but this didn't happen (they were both down 50 cs from enemy counterparts). I told them they couldn't teamfight atm, and Veigar's reply was that I should do my job.

And this is why I hate playing support. The end. Also, moral of the story: no one listens.

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#3359 Morphx2

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 03:30 AM

Funny comments from the reddit thread "Things you used to think when you first started"

When I started playing, my first champion was Cho'gath. I was pretty bad, just ran around the jungle, did not really get the aim of the game :-/ this was like 1-2 years ago. I did never really listen to the sound, but one time I heard Cho say:""The daylight! It burns!" I was pretty dumb, and didnt understand the game so, when I heard him saying this I thought holy shit he is getting killed and ran into the jungle/brush, so there is no more sunlight.




My first game I got killed by a TF throwing cards at me, and the announcer yelled "The enemy team has scored an ace!" For the next 5 levels I assumed an ace was something TF pulled from his deck and threw at you.



There were a few ridiculous things I used to believe in my very early levels. Here are a couple examples:

  • I used to think that an ace had something to do with an assist spree.
  • I used to think that you had to buy one item for each slot based on what it was. I mean like one weapon, one body armor piece, one pair of boots. Instead of any 6 items.
  • I used to think that you had to attack each enemy minion at least once in order to get experience from their deaths.


#3360 crystalklear64

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 03:55 AM

i had no grasp of the concept of buying ap items since no such way to buff int champ spells in dota existed so i played anivia and bought tank stuff. it worked fine until late game which i thought was normal since int champs do good early and suck later on in dota.

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