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#3001 IRHari

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 01:25 AM

"I'll insult an entire nation of people to score political points at home."

http://news.yahoo.co...-125812009.html


If Gingrich gets backlash from that it'll mean a huge amount of progress has been made. Remember when Helen Thomas got fired because she said Jews should get out of Israel? But people who say Palestinians should leave Gaza don't get punished at all?
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Posted 11 December 2011 - 03:12 AM

So I'm watching last night's Daily Show, and this BS about "keeping the Christ in Christmas" is hilarious. Especially when they showed the clip about Congress staying in session on Christmas for decades after the founding of the nation.

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That bit was actually not true.

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 07:06 AM

http://www.politifac...s-met-most-chr/

That bit was actually not true.


Yeah that part didn't make sense to me either.

#3004 UncleBob

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It was on TV - it has to be true.
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Posted 11 December 2011 - 09:35 AM

Diamonds aren't made out of blood, ya dummy!

I know this is an old post, but I just read it and I cracked the hell up at Strell's edit of the Huffington Post story about the crotchety bastard bitching about oil being shown unfavorably in movies.
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Posted 11 December 2011 - 02:46 PM

Kids already work on family farms, why is that a bad thing?


You're missing the point.

Wilmington Delaware is the inner city. I've had children come up to me, no older than 12, while I was working and beg me for a job. I've seen kids hustling to sell crack, no older than 18, with the work ethic, efficiency, and organization of a McDonalds during the lunch rush. I've worked in the food bank with 10,12, & 14 year-old kids and their parents (who themselves were on food assistance) help pick through and pack food boxes. We had a child at a local school who was part of the chorus. Has a beautiful voice and always attends practice. But was from such a poor family he couldn't afford shoes! The parents had to get together and buy shoes for him.

Newt's argument is that poor people are lazy. It's that simple. It's demagoguery at it's worst. That if we just get those kids to clean toilets at school we can solve poverty. Look, I'm not saying the sin of sloth isn't in the world. I can personally be a slothful son of a bitch at times. But Newt's argument I find, as a Republican and a Christian, personally insulting. And it's classic Newt.

First, there's no actual policy there. Is Newt going to create an inner city peace corp? How is he going to improve educational opportunity. How is he going to reduce crime that often forces parents to keep kids cooped up in their home. Secondly, it's designed to be a political trap. As soon as someone speaks up on how stupid an idea it is, Newt can say something like, "Well, obviously my opponent doesn't understand the value of hard work. Instilling a sense of work ethic and pride in a job well done will help the youth of America." Queue applause from crowd. I'm politiclaly savvy enough to see the trap.

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 05:17 PM

How about we just put arts, phys ed, music and shop back in schools. Id rather kids go to school till 5 or 6 every day but the last 2-3 hours be something like that where they are still learning work ethic but also getting a well rounded education, then for them to become a cheap replacement to union janitors. Yes doing this would cost a little more money but that money is because we are educating our kids and creating jobs. Its a much better solution.

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 05:24 PM

How about we just put arts, phys ed, music and shop back in schools. Id rather kids go to school till 5 or 6 every day but the last 2-3 hours be something like that where they are still learning work ethic but also getting a well rounded education, then for them to become a cheap replacement to union janitors. Yes doing this would cost a little more money but that money is because we are educating our kids and creating jobs. Its a much better solution.

I don't think 9-10 hour school days and destroying unions is the answer. I can't remember if I had this conversation with you before, but janitors deserve a good living wage too. It's not an easy job and schools tend to be understaffed to begin with. How does eliminating the earning potential of a position that allows someone to have a home, raise a family, and send a couple of kids to college a good thing? They might not be a nominee for most important job in the world, but it's a pretty damn important job that is pretty necessary.

edit: Did anyone catch the debate last night? I heard it was EPIC. There's going to be another one on tues.

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 05:40 PM

You're missing the point.

Wilmington Delaware is the inner city. I've had children come up to me, no older than 12, while I was working and beg me for a job. I've seen kids hustling to sell crack, no older than 18, with the work ethic, efficiency, and organization of a McDonalds during the lunch rush. I've worked in the food bank with 10,12, & 14 year-old kids and their parents (who themselves were on food assistance) help pick through and pack food boxes. We had a child at a local school who was part of the chorus. Has a beautiful voice and always attends practice. But was from such a poor family he couldn't afford shoes! The parents had to get together and buy shoes for him.

Newt's argument is that poor people are lazy. It's that simple. It's demagoguery at it's worst. That if we just get those kids to clean toilets at school we can solve poverty. Look, I'm not saying the sin of sloth isn't in the world. I can personally be a slothful son of a bitch at times. But Newt's argument I find, as a Republican and a Christian, personally insulting. And it's classic Newt.

First, there's no actual policy there. Is Newt going to create an inner city peace corp? How is he going to improve educational opportunity. How is he going to reduce crime that often forces parents to keep kids cooped up in their home. Secondly, it's designed to be a political trap. As soon as someone speaks up on how stupid an idea it is, Newt can say something like, "Well, obviously my opponent doesn't understand the value of hard work. Instilling a sense of work ethic and pride in a job well done will help the youth of America." Queue applause from crowd. I'm politiclaly savvy enough to see the trap.


I don't disagree. That's what Newt does.

Interestingly enough, liberals won't find much to disagree with when it comes to Newt's approach to solving problems - he, even moreso than Romney or Santorum, believes in activist government. Some of his proposals may not mesh with liberal goals, but his belief in the role of government is not in question. He's the neocon's neocon, cut from the cloth of the original brood.

He'd also be a complete disaster abroad. Freaking Walrus Bolton as his Sec. of State? Puke.
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Posted 11 December 2011 - 06:32 PM

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 06:36 PM

I don't disagree. That's what Newt does.

Interestingly enough, liberals won't find much to disagree with when it comes to Newt's approach to solving problems - he, even moreso than Romney or Santorum, believes in activist government. Some of his proposals may not mesh with liberal goals, but his belief in the role of government is not in question. He's the neocon's neocon, cut from the cloth of the original brood.

He'd also be a complete disaster abroad. Freaking Walrus Bolton as his Sec. of State? Puke.


Oh man, John Bolton as Secretary of State would be the ultimate epic troll the world move.

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 06:52 PM

I don't think 9-10 hour school days and destroying unions is the answer. I can't remember if I had this conversation with you before, but janitors deserve a good living wage too. It's not an easy job and schools tend to be understaffed to begin with. How does eliminating the earning potential of a position that allows someone to have a home, raise a family, and send a couple of kids to college a good thing? They might not be a nominee for most important job in the world, but it's a pretty damn important job that is pretty necessary.

edit: Did anyone catch the debate last night? I heard it was EPIC. There's going to be another one on tues.


I didnt say to destroy unions and if I did I didnt mean it. I was saying it would mean we DIDNT destory the unions. Gingrich is saying give these kids the jobs and it will destroy the "expensive union janitor positions". What I am saying is give those kids some needed extra classes and it will teach them more valuable skills, make them healthier and not only do those janitors keep their jobs but new ones are created for the various teachers.

Its sad how undervalued teachers are right now. Here in Ohio we have made so many fucking cuts to education its a joke. I felt disgusted last night when I was talking to my waitress at Pizza Hut and she said she had a degree in childhood education but just couldn't find work as a teacher right now.

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 07:51 PM

You're missing the point.

Wilmington Delaware is the inner city. I've had children come up to me, no older than 12, while I was working and beg me for a job. I've seen kids hustling to sell crack, no older than 18, with the work ethic, efficiency, and organization of a McDonalds during the lunch rush. I've worked in the food bank with 10,12, & 14 year-old kids and their parents (who themselves were on food assistance) help pick through and pack food boxes. We had a child at a local school who was part of the chorus. Has a beautiful voice and always attends practice. But was from such a poor family he couldn't afford shoes! The parents had to get together and buy shoes for him.

Newt's argument is that poor people are lazy. It's that simple. It's demagoguery at it's worst. That if we just get those kids to clean toilets at school we can solve poverty. Look, I'm not saying the sin of sloth isn't in the world. I can personally be a slothful son of a bitch at times. But Newt's argument I find, as a Republican and a Christian, personally insulting. And it's classic Newt.

First, there's no actual policy there. Is Newt going to create an inner city peace corp? How is he going to improve educational opportunity. How is he going to reduce crime that often forces parents to keep kids cooped up in their home. Secondly, it's designed to be a political trap. As soon as someone speaks up on how stupid an idea it is, Newt can say something like, "Well, obviously my opponent doesn't understand the value of hard work. Instilling a sense of work ethic and pride in a job well done will help the youth of America." Queue applause from crowd. I'm politiclaly savvy enough to see the trap.


Alot of that post makes sense. Why are you Republican again?

#3014 cindersphere

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 05:37 AM

I don't disagree. That's what Newt does.

Interestingly enough, liberals won't find much to disagree with when it comes to Newt's approach to solving problems - he, even moreso than Romney or Santorum, believes in activist government. Some of his proposals may not mesh with liberal goals, but his belief in the role of government is not in question. He's the neocon's neocon, cut from the cloth of the original brood.

He'd also be a complete disaster abroad. Freaking Walrus Bolton as his Sec. of State? Puke.

He takes his political stance form plato then?

http://www.politifac...s-met-most-chr/

That bit was actually not true.

Thanks for this, I wanted to look this up to see if it was true.

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 01:52 PM

http://www.politifac...s-met-most-chr/

That bit was actually not true.

Wouldn't eb the first time someone has gotten bad information. However, that senate site proves little,and I can' reproduce whatever info they got from that other records site.
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Posted 12 December 2011 - 02:03 PM

If Gingrich gets backlash from that it'll mean a huge amount of progress has been made. Remember when Helen Thomas got fired because she said Jews should get out of Israel? But people who say Palestinians should leave Gaza don't get punished at all?

Of course not, the palestinians are evil invaders of the jewish homeland. It's perfectly fine to shit on them.
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#3017 BigT

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Posted 13 December 2011 - 03:33 AM

How about we just put arts, phys ed, music and shop back in schools. Id rather kids go to school till 5 or 6 every day but the last 2-3 hours be something like that where they are still learning work ethic but also getting a well rounded education, then for them to become a cheap replacement to union janitors. Yes doing this would cost a little more money but that money is because we are educating our kids and creating jobs. Its a much better solution.


Agreed. Population-wide, it would be beneficial to have more practical classes available.

Overall, this problem is not just limited to high school. College education often leaves people with useless skills as well... we have deluded ourselves to think that it should be everyone's goal to go to college... when many people would be better served by just learning a trade. Unless someone is taking a major that teaches some practical skills (e.g., engineering) or is planning to take the next step and to go to professional or graduate school... a basic college education is not cost effective...

#3018 camoor

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Posted 13 December 2011 - 04:24 AM

Agreed. Population-wide, it would be beneficial to have more practical classes available.

Overall, this problem is not just limited to high school. College education often leaves people with useless skills as well... we have deluded ourselves to think that it should be everyone's goal to go to college... when many people would be better served by just learning a trade. Unless someone is taking a major that teaches some practical skills (e.g., engineering) or is planning to take the next step and to go to professional or graduate school... a basic college education is not cost effective...


The problem is that what you are describing is a pragmatic socialist attitude. Which will never fly with Americans.

#3019 cindersphere

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Posted 13 December 2011 - 08:46 AM

Agreed. Population-wide, it would be beneficial to have more practical classes available.

Overall, this problem is not just limited to high school. College education often leaves people with useless skills as well... we have deluded ourselves to think that it should be everyone's goal to go to college... when many people would be better served by just learning a trade. Unless someone is taking a major that teaches some practical skills (e.g., engineering) or is planning to take the next step and to go to professional or graduate school... a basic college education is not cost effective...

Question, where do you say this from? Personal experience, raw data, or just common sense?

I don't think 9-10 hour school days and destroying unions is the answer. I can't remember if I had this conversation with you before, but janitors deserve a good living wage too. It's not an easy job and schools tend to be understaffed to begin with. How does eliminating the earning potential of a position that allows someone to have a home, raise a family, and send a couple of kids to college a good thing? They might not be a nominee for most important job in the world, but it's a pretty damn important job that is pretty necessary.

edit: Did anyone catch the debate last night? I heard it was EPIC. There's going to be another one on tues.


Interestingly enough I was reading an article about the future of employment around the world. If current trends continue the way they are, janitor/blue collar jobs will be the last few "secure" jobs in the economy going forward.
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Posted 13 December 2011 - 11:31 AM

Agreed. Population-wide, it would be beneficial to have more practical classes available.

Overall, this problem is not just limited to high school. College education often leaves people with useless skills as well... we have deluded ourselves to think that it should be everyone's goal to go to college... when many people would be better served by just learning a trade. Unless someone is taking a major that teaches some practical skills (e.g., engineering) or is planning to take the next step and to go to professional or graduate school... a basic college education is not cost effective...


Sure, because the last thing we need are laypeople who can think critically. You don't think a well-rounded, college educated population is more desirable than highly trained, unquestioning serfs (the power elite's dream for America)?

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Posted 13 December 2011 - 12:39 PM

I peek my head back in here and instantly remember the ridiculousness I decided to not waste my time with.


1) You think it is ridiculous that Congress names the Christmas Tree a Christmas Tree. It is far more logical and not bias towards a particular religion in any way to name it a Holiday Tree. You just think it sounds better. Riiiiiight. We aren't going out of our way to show we don't favor Christianity at all despite three quarters of the country identifying themselves as such. Quick rename that Christmas Wreath the Jews, Muslims, etc may think we don't like them as much!


2) You think someone who goes to college means they are educated or will become educated. There is no way tens of thousands of college students aren't taking away ANYTHING (besides being indebted to the government) from their degree programs. I mean that is just impossible, they MUST be learning something, and are becoming well rounded. It's College!


3) You believe something on Comedy Central, and then when presented with the facts, still comment on your disbelief that these new facts you are presented with are accurate.

It is entertaining, and thats just the last page and a half! but not THAT entertaining.

#3022 IRHari

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Posted 13 December 2011 - 01:28 PM

We aren't going out of our way to show we don't favor Christianity at all despite three quarters of the country identifying themselves as such.


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Posted 13 December 2011 - 02:16 PM

Agreed. Population-wide, it would be beneficial to have more practical classes available.

Overall, this problem is not just limited to high school. College education often leaves people with useless skills as well... we have deluded ourselves to think that it should be everyone's goal to go to college... when many people would be better served by just learning a trade. Unless someone is taking a major that teaches some practical skills (e.g., engineering) or is planning to take the next step and to go to professional or graduate school... a basic college education is not cost effective...

So if there is no utility in it, it isn't worth doing, got it.
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Posted 13 December 2011 - 02:18 PM

Hey, troll Knoell is back.
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Posted 13 December 2011 - 02:34 PM

I don't see why it's problematic for people to want or have higher education regardless of occupation. It's only a problem when it becomes a de facto requirement for an entry level job that you can train someone on the job for...kinda like how they do anyways.

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Posted 13 December 2011 - 03:48 PM

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Posted 13 December 2011 - 04:33 PM

I peek my head back in here and instantly remember the ridiculousness I decided to not waste my time with.


1) You think it is ridiculous that Congress names the Christmas Tree a Christmas Tree. It is far more logical and not bias towards a particular religion in any way to name it a Holiday Tree. You just think it sounds better. Riiiiiight. We aren't going out of our way to show we don't favor Christianity at all despite three quarters of the country identifying themselves as such. Quick rename that Christmas Wreath the Jews, Muslims, etc may think we don't like them as much!


2) You think someone who goes to college means they are educated or will become educated. There is no way tens of thousands of college students aren't taking away ANYTHING (besides being indebted to the government) from their degree programs. I mean that is just impossible, they MUST be learning something, and are becoming well rounded. It's College!


3) You believe something on Comedy Central, and then when presented with the facts, still comment on your disbelief that these new facts you are presented with are accurate.

It is entertaining, and thats just the last page and a half! but not THAT entertaining.


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Posted 13 December 2011 - 04:41 PM

Sure, because the last thing we need are laypeople who can think critically. You don't think a well-rounded, college educated population is more desirable than highly trained, unquestioning serfs (the power elite's dream for America)?


Well, note that he just said it wasn't cost effective for the individual, not that it wasn't good for society.

Just thinking in monetary terms, it isn't cost effective for an individual to spend the money on college if it doesn't get them a career that pays more than what they would have got out of high school or could have gotten after a 2 year trade school period etc.

Plus, I think it's a tad delusional to think that everyone who goes to college and graduates really becomes educated and well rounded. As a professor I can tell you most students are just there to get a degree as they think they have to to get a job. The bulk of these are on the "C's get degrees" track and don't give a shit about really learning anything. They just do the bare minimum to skate by and graduate.

The only ones who are going to really be educated and become well rounded are those who are truly interested in learning and becoming well rounded and put full effort into their studies as they're truly passionate about it, rather than just wanting a piece of paper they think they need to get a decent job (and in many cases do as so many professions require degrees when they're really not needed these days).

And most of those types are interested in grad school or law school etc., at least in my field.

So I'd agree with Big T. There's lots of people in college who shouldn't be there as they don't have any real interest in being there, aren't going to get much out of it, and it won't end up being cost effective for many of them. They're just wasting their time and money and wasting my time by not being engaged in their studies.

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Posted 13 December 2011 - 05:20 PM

Sure, because the last thing we need are laypeople who can think critically. You don't think a well-rounded, college educated population is more desirable than highly trained, unquestioning serfs (the power elite's dream for America)?


I completely disagree with this. As it is we have a system in place where you have to get a college degree to get a decent job. In order to get a college degree you have to spend insane amounts of money. Part of the reason you have to spend insane amounts of money is because you have to take a bunch of stupid classes that have nothing to do with your degree.

My wife has never failed a class in her life but she feels as though she just bombed her Calculus 2 final which will bring her from a B in the class to....well it doesnt matter because even if she pulls a C average you flunk the Calc final you flunk the class. Meanwhile as she was complaining to people in her other class she said at least 5 or 6 students spoke up and said they failed that class and knew others that did as well. Meaning you have to go back and retake that class putting more money in the universities pocket. Meanwhile can you tell me how Calculus 2 will serve my wife in her field of Human Resource Management? Can you tell me how it would help the other student that was going for Philosphy or the one going for Psychology? Hell can you even tell me how Calc 2 somehow makes her better well rounded and serves her in life?

If we want to create well rounded people lets either do it in elementary and Junior/Highschool or lets have free higher education so people can take as many classes as they want(that would really encourage well rounded people). Lets NOT force people to go through tons of unneeded classes just to get a degree that is nothing more then a ticket people use to jump to the front of the job line.

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Posted 13 December 2011 - 05:49 PM

Was she forced to take calculus or did she choose to? Plenty of schools let you choose. Most do try to at least tailor the gen ed requirements to your degree. I ahd to take statistics because my degree was technically a business degree.
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